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Post by sparks on Feb 6, 2024 18:38:40 GMT
I’m can’t help but feel sceptical on what comes out from the club, keeping length of contracts secret is slightly odd as it’s only realistically a secret from the fans, agents and other clubs will be aware. On some of his other points Nourry makes today he can hardly say we made use of loopholes in FFP regs to finance some player imports. Not difficult to perhaps suggest Michi Frey being probably the only one of the 4 incomings to be based on Nourry ‘s data and analysis expertise, with the others being from old friendships and what’s left on the table. Can't say I blame you after what we've been through for many years now, but it's a sad state of affairs when our first thought on club statements is that it's just corporate bs and more waffle. I still hope this is the start of something different, but then again I've thought that so many times before. From a casual observation most League 1 clubs and lower don’t tend to offer contracts over 2 years. I would guess trying to sell a football club could be made easier with more players on relatively short contracts being more of an attraction to new owners.
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 6, 2024 19:31:22 GMT
I’m relieved that the club brought in 4 players that were needed but certainly don’t accept that Nourry was correct to make such an in-accurate statement to the fans. With the breakup of les and mates, beanie finally gone, a manager who has a clue and a sprinkling of much needed signings in the RIGHT positions, no doubt this noury fella has had a hand in all this. So much at this club has changed in such a short space of time. We actually now resemble a professional football club with a clue in how to progress. Good riddance to bungle, Les, beanie and chums. None of those clowns should ever be welcomed back, ever.
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Post by James1979 on Feb 6, 2024 19:56:25 GMT
I’m relieved that the club brought in 4 players that were needed but certainly don’t accept that Nourry was correct to make such an in-accurate statement to the fans. With the breakup of les and mates, beanie finally gone, a manager who has a clue and a sprinkling of much needed signings in the RIGHT positions, no doubt this noury fella has had a hand in all this. So much at this club has changed in such a short space of time. We actually now resemble a professional football club with a clue in how to progress. Good riddance to bungle, Les, beanie and chums. None of those clowns should ever be welcomed back, ever. Agree. Very early days but we just seem more energised as a club. The wolves lad being down for training on Friday speaks volumes.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 6, 2024 20:07:34 GMT
I’m relieved that the club brought in 4 players that were needed but certainly don’t accept that Nourry was correct to make such an in-accurate statement to the fans. The problem is Sparks, it's not JUST "to the fans". It's to the watching football world. Therefore, understandably, he has to be circumspect and kidological when it comes to what he reveals to the media. As a fan, I think that's a positive and refreshing step in the right direction by the club. I am far happier if he is disingenuous with us, if it keeps our competitors in the dark about our intentions and dealings.
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Post by sparks on Feb 6, 2024 21:05:23 GMT
I’m relieved that the club brought in 4 players that were needed but certainly don’t accept that Nourry was correct to make such an in-accurate statement to the fans. The problem is Sparks, it's not JUST "to the fans". It's to the watching football world. Therefore, understandably, he has to be circumspect and kidological when it comes to what he reveals to the media. As a fan, I think that's a positive and refreshing step in the right direction by the club. I am far happier if he is disingenuous with us, if it keeps our competitors in the dark about our intentions and dealings. Nourry had no need to lie or deceive the fans with his comment “there will be no incoming transfers” , it would have been very easy to deflect any questions with a multitude of answers with a caveat ending in “if players leave our club” Please remember that Marti directly responded to that comment soon after which dispels any theory of any advantages gained. For me his statement today and words used around players targeted in the window symbolise trying to put himself on a pedalstal when in reality 3 of the players signed are down to the old pals act. I dont like the basic idea that it’s ok to blatantly lie to fans under any situation especially from owners that have been proven to be so utterly clueless. Some of it is an insult to a normal fans intelligence.
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Post by James1979 on Feb 6, 2024 21:26:08 GMT
The problem is Sparks, it's not JUST "to the fans". It's to the watching football world. Therefore, understandably, he has to be circumspect and kidological when it comes to what he reveals to the media. As a fan, I think that's a positive and refreshing step in the right direction by the club. I am far happier if he is disingenuous with us, if it keeps our competitors in the dark about our intentions and dealings. Nourry had no need to lie or deceive the fans with his comment “there will be no incoming transfers” , it would have been very easy to deflect any questions with a multitude of answers with a caveat ending in “if players leave our club” Please remember that Marti directly responded to that comment soon after which dispels any theory of any advantages gained. For me his statement today and words used around players targeted in the window symbolise trying to put himself on a pedalstal when in reality 3 of the players signed are down to the old pals act. I dont like the basic idea that it’s ok to blatantly lie to fans under any situation especially from owners that have been proven to be so utterly clueless. Some of it is an insult to a normal fans intelligence. Blimey mate, I think you’re blowing it well out of proportion. He’s the CEO of qpr, not your friend.
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Post by sparks on Feb 6, 2024 21:41:15 GMT
Nourry had no need to lie or deceive the fans with his comment “there will be no incoming transfers” , it would have been very easy to deflect any questions with a multitude of answers with a caveat ending in “if players leave our club” Please remember that Marti directly responded to that comment soon after which dispels any theory of any advantages gained. For me his statement today and words used around players targeted in the window symbolise trying to put himself on a pedalstal when in reality 3 of the players signed are down to the old pals act. I dont like the basic idea that it’s ok to blatantly lie to fans under any situation especially from owners that have been proven to be so utterly clueless. Some of it is an insult to a normal fans intelligence. Blimey mate, I think you’re blowing it well out of proportion. He’s the CEO of qpr, not your friend. I can’t believe you just said that, are you really ok with someone telling you lies, only a fool would accept that in any form!
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Post by James1979 on Feb 6, 2024 21:53:36 GMT
Blimey mate, I think you’re blowing it well out of proportion. He’s the CEO of qpr, not your friend. I can’t believe you just said that, are you really ok with someone telling you lies, only a fool would accept that in any form! He didn’t lie. Things change.
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Post by James1979 on Feb 6, 2024 21:54:14 GMT
Thanks for calling me a fool though big man.
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Post by James1979 on Feb 6, 2024 21:59:53 GMT
Blimey mate, I think you’re blowing it well out of proportion. He’s the CEO of qpr, not your friend. I can’t believe you just said that, are you really ok with someone telling you lies, only a fool would accept that in any form! His exact words were that actions taken before have prevent us from being active in transfer window. Since then we let some players go out on loans and therefore managed to get others in.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 6, 2024 22:00:25 GMT
The problem is Sparks, it's not JUST "to the fans". It's to the watching football world. Therefore, understandably, he has to be circumspect and kidological when it comes to what he reveals to the media. As a fan, I think that's a positive and refreshing step in the right direction by the club. I am far happier if he is disingenuous with us, if it keeps our competitors in the dark about our intentions and dealings. Nourry had no need to lie or deceive the fans with his comment “there will be no incoming transfers” , it would have been very easy to deflect any questions with a multitude of answers with a caveat ending in “if players leave our club” Please remember that Marti directly responded to that comment soon after which dispels any theory of any advantages gained. For me his statement today and words used around players targeted in the window symbolise trying to put himself on a pedalstal when in reality 3 of the players signed are down to the old pals act. I dont like the basic idea that it’s ok to blatantly lie to fans under any situation especially from owners that have been proven to be so utterly clueless. Some of it is an insult to a normal fans intelligence. Which brings us back to my original point of, moving forward, let's not take everything he says on face-value. This can be irrespective of whether any given QPR fan finds his 'economy of the truth' offensive or not.
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Post by sparks on Feb 6, 2024 22:09:19 GMT
I can’t believe you just said that, are you really ok with someone telling you lies, only a fool would accept that in any form! His exact words were that actions taken before have prevent us from being active in transfer window. Since then we let some players go out on loans and therefore managed to get others in. Yes he said part of what you wrote but you forgot to mention the important part ending in NO INCOMINGS
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Post by West Acton on Feb 6, 2024 22:26:20 GMT
Blimey mate, I think you’re blowing it well out of proportion. He’s the CEO of qpr, not your friend. I can’t believe you just said that, are you really ok with someone telling you lies, only a fool would accept that in any form! erm Mic Beale saying I brought players in so I need to stay and show loyalty to them then walking out, that was a big fat lie if I ever heard one. What am missing??
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Post by sparks on Feb 6, 2024 22:26:26 GMT
Thanks for calling me a fool though big man. I apologise if it came across as a personal insult, that was not what I intended.
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Post by sparks on Feb 6, 2024 22:44:43 GMT
I can’t believe you just said that, are you really ok with someone telling you lies, only a fool would accept that in any form! erm Mic Beale saying I brought players in so I need to stay and show loyalty to them then walking out, that was a big fat lie if I ever heard one. What am missing?? That was Beale’s first lie..Nourry has already eclipsed that with at least 3 lies in less than a month.
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Post by 1qprdk on Feb 6, 2024 22:46:09 GMT
What he says below from todays offy piece sounds pretty reasonable to me. I've highlighted the bit about the change in stance toward incomings during January. And italicised the bit that probably means that the loan deals are not very expensive for us: www.qpr.co.uk/news/2024/february/06/ceo-christian-nourry-on-january-work/CLUB CEO Christian Nourry on January work 7 hours ago By QPR FC CEO Christian Nourry has reflected on the work conducted by the club during the January transfer window. Michael Frey (pictured below) joined QPR permanently, followed this week by Lucas Andersen, while Isaac Hayden and Joe Hodge have moved to W12 on loan for the remainder of the season from Newcastle United and Wolves respectively. Nourry, who himself joined the club three weeks’ ago, said at the time of his arrival that QPR were not in a position to strengthen the squad for the second half of the campaign.
“When I arrived at the club, the view was that any incomings were going to be very, very difficult to achieve owing to the financial fair play situation that we have, which everyone is aware of,” he said.
“It was whether there were possibilities for player movement out which would then enable us to reinvest some of that money, albeit a limited amount, back into the squad to try to give this club and the fans a boost as we work to build something exciting here.”
That was achieved through the loan departures of Andre Dozzell (Birmingham), Stephen Duke McKenna (Sutton United), Charlie Kelman (Wigan) and Deon Woodman (Wealdstone).“That’s the first part of the equation,” Nourry said. “The second part is that the January transfer window, when you look at the historical deal flow data, is very challenging to find the right players that can make an immediate impact, the sort of impact that we want to see. “Successful January signings tend to come down to personality profile, and what the objectives are of the players who have come in. “I feel very fortunate to say that the four players we have signed have all shown immense, immense desire to be here with us despite our league position when, frankly, all of them had approaches and offers from other teams in this division. “I must also show my thanks to Wolves and Newcastle for working with us to find a way for Joe and Isaac to have the opportunity to play for us, whilst taking into account our financial situation.”Frey completed his move from Royal Antwerp while Andersen joined Rangers after leaving Aalborg. The contract lengths for both were not confirmed in the announcements, and Nourry explained: “We are in a unique context. I don’t care whether you have four years or four months remaining on your contract. We are all going into battle together for a common goal which is to attempt to keep this club in the Championship. “The club’s policy on all contracts going forward is simple. We won’t be making an announcement on their lengths. “We know what we are working towards with each player’s situation and we understand where the development of those contracts can go. “But I think it is important for the club as an institution to work as hard and as smart in the market as possible, and that includes taking this step for strategic purposes.” Nourry also discussed how the approach behind player identification has worked, and why it can differ in January to that of a summer transfer window. “The process has worked well between a data screen, video and live scouting screen, the deal-making reality and my perspective,” he said. “We were then able to compile a list of names in the positions we wanted to strengthen, and sit down – myself, the recruitment department and Martí (Cifuentes) – to discuss what we do. “Due to the nature of some of these signings, in this case the two loans which are short-term, it was vital that we were all completely aligned in the view they could add value. “It’s important to note that there will be a demarcation between what happens in January and what happens going forward, as we will have more time as a collective to prepare, but I am delighted to say that everybody played an important part in the recruitment process, and, given our financial context, we are all happy with how things have gone.” Following the closure of the window, Nourry has been pleased with the efforts to complete the four signings, adding: “I have found that everybody here at the club cares so deeply and, when provided with clear direction, is willing to work as hard as necessary to get things done. “I am grateful to everyone; the board; the recruitment team; the performance and medical team; the legal admin; they have all worked exceptionally hard to enable us to get these transfers across the line. “We must all do what we can – staff and fans – to get behind Martí and the squad between now and the end of the season.”
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Feb 6, 2024 23:27:51 GMT
The problem is Sparks, it's not JUST "to the fans". It's to the watching football world. Therefore, understandably, he has to be circumspect and kidological when it comes to what he reveals to the media. As a fan, I think that's a positive and refreshing step in the right direction by the club. I am far happier if he is disingenuous with us, if it keeps our competitors in the dark about our intentions and dealings. Nourry had no need to lie or deceive the fans with his comment “there will be no incoming transfers” , it would have been very easy to deflect any questions with a multitude of answers with a caveat ending in “if players leave our club” Please remember that Marti directly responded to that comment soon after which dispels any theory of any advantages gained. For me his statement today and words used around players targeted in the window symbolise trying to put himself on a pedalstal when in reality 3 of the players signed are down to the old pals act. I dont like the basic idea that it’s ok to blatantly lie to fans under any situation especially from owners that have been proven to be so utterly clueless. Some of it is an insult to a normal fans intelligence. To play devil's advocate here, if he had said yes we are looking to strengthen during this window, and as a result clubs put their prices way up because they knew we needed to sign players, wouldn't he have been regarded as a fool for showing his hand?
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Post by sparks on Feb 7, 2024 10:01:47 GMT
Nourry had no need to lie or deceive the fans with his comment “there will be no incoming transfers” , it would have been very easy to deflect any questions with a multitude of answers with a caveat ending in “if players leave our club” Please remember that Marti directly responded to that comment soon after which dispels any theory of any advantages gained. For me his statement today and words used around players targeted in the window symbolise trying to put himself on a pedalstal when in reality 3 of the players signed are down to the old pals act. I dont like the basic idea that it’s ok to blatantly lie to fans under any situation especially from owners that have been proven to be so utterly clueless. Some of it is an insult to a normal fans intelligence. To play devil's advocate here, if he had said yes we are looking to strengthen during this window, and as a result clubs put their prices way up because they knew we needed to sign players, wouldn't he have been regarded as a fool for showing his hand? Your posing the same senarios as what Stan has already posted, my feelings havnt changed. It will be interesting to see how long fans laud Nourry and his lack of transparency for.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 7, 2024 10:36:51 GMT
To play devil's advocate here, if he had said yes we are looking to strengthen during this window, and as a result clubs put their prices way up because they knew we needed to sign players, wouldn't he have been regarded as a fool for showing his hand? Your posing the same senarios as what Stan has already posted, my feelings havnt changed. It will be interesting to see how long fans laud Nourry and his lack of transparency for. In an ideal world he would be more transparent. But it's not an ideal world when our competitors focus on his revealings to the media with the aim of gaining an advantage over us. And on that point, what Nourry says to the media and what he says behind closed doors to QPR fans only, I suspect are two very different things. For example, there are two meetings coming up this month between Nourry and QPR fans from the SCC and the various R's fan sites. RFI will be represented at both these meetings. So I'd say let's see the difference then between what he tells just the fans and what he tells the media.
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Post by hubble on Feb 7, 2024 10:54:34 GMT
Your posing the same senarios as what Stan has already posted, my feelings havnt changed. It will be interesting to see how long fans laud Nourry and his lack of transparency for. In an ideal world he would be more transparent. But it's not an ideal world when our competitors focus on his revealings to the media with the aim of gaining an advantage over us. And on that point, what Nourry says to the media and what he says behind closed doors to QPR fans only, I suspect are two very different things. For example, there are two meetings coming up this month between Nourry and QPR fans from the SCC and the various R's fan sites. RFI will be represented at both these meetings. So I'd say let's see the difference then between what he tells just the fans and what he tells the media. Not only this, but surely his job is to manage expectations. And far from seeing what he did as some kind of treachery, I think he played it well. Expectations were zero, and then boom, in come some unexpected signings. Nothing to complain about as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Rangers77 on Feb 7, 2024 10:58:22 GMT
So far, so good. No bullshit. And, hopefully, delivery.
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Post by sparks on Feb 7, 2024 11:23:44 GMT
In an ideal world he would be more transparent. But it's not an ideal world when our competitors focus on his revealings to the media with the aim of gaining an advantage over us. And on that point, what Nourry says to the media and what he says behind closed doors to QPR fans only, I suspect are two very different things. For example, there are two meetings coming up this month between Nourry and QPR fans from the SCC and the various R's fan sites. RFI will be represented at both these meetings. So I'd say let's see the difference then between what he tells just the fans and what he tells the media. Not only this, but surely his job is to manage expectations. And far from seeing what he did as some kind of treachery, I think he played it well. Expectations were zero, and then boom, in come some unexpected signings. Nothing to complain about as far as I'm concerned. Did he need to play it at all Hubble? A more experienced CEO would have batted off those questions without giving a direct answer. He’s played 3 bum notes since arriving for me and every time he plays his tune solo it sounds more out of tune with the chorus.
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Post by West Acton on Feb 7, 2024 11:37:00 GMT
Why do fans think they have to know everything about the club and players? There are boundaries.
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 7, 2024 11:42:53 GMT
So far, so good. No bullshit. And, hopefully, delivery. So far so good. Some bullshit(?). And, hopefully, delivery. The public thank-you to Wolves and Newcastle is interesting, seems to have pulled of a coup here - decent players at (presumably) a very low cost to the club. I expect there will have been some kind of guarantee on the amount of playing time they get, but hopefully, that's not going to be a problem as both players will be wanting to impress their home team managers to get into their first team. And if that isn't likely, perhaps playing to impress enough for a contract at QPR.
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 7, 2024 11:46:13 GMT
Why do fans think they have to know everything about the club and players? There are boundaries. Yes. At the end of the day clubs are businesses. No business will divulge commercially sensitive information which may help its competitors. Too much info given out to fans could potentially help other teams in areas like hijacking transfers, manager appointments, insights into team tactics and so on.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Feb 7, 2024 16:01:40 GMT
To play devil's advocate here, if he had said yes we are looking to strengthen during this window, and as a result clubs put their prices way up because they knew we needed to sign players, wouldn't he have been regarded as a fool for showing his hand? Your posing the same senarios as what Stan has already posted, my feelings havnt changed. It will be interesting to see how long fans laud Nourry and his lack of transparency for. I can't see anyone lauding Nourry? Just observing that, imo of course, at the time of the interview he was probably right in that we couldn't afford to do business. That obviously changed. No reason to not believe him imo.
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Post by 2Loftus on Feb 7, 2024 16:29:12 GMT
Your posing the same senarios as what Stan has already posted, my feelings havnt changed. It will be interesting to see how long fans laud Nourry and his lack of transparency for. I can't see anyone lauding Nourry? Just observing that, imo of course, at the time of the interview he was probably right in that we couldn't afford to do business. That obviously changed. No reason to not believe him imo. I think it's too early to know quite what he does. Early signs are promising and the new players brought in look decent, a bit 'left field', affordable... was this Nourry's influence, or Marti's? But the deals got done, so no complaints so far.
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Post by sparks on Feb 7, 2024 16:33:26 GMT
Your posing the same senarios as what Stan has already posted, my feelings havnt changed. It will be interesting to see how long fans laud Nourry and his lack of transparency for. I can't see anyone lauding Nourry? Just observing that, imo of course, at the time of the interview he was probably right in that we couldn't afford to do business. That obviously changed. No reason to not believe him imo. Let’s just see how things turn out because it won’t be the first time I’m in the minority and it won’t be the last time for posters to flip flop ala Ainsworth, Armstrong,Chair…….
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Feb 7, 2024 18:27:47 GMT
I can't see anyone lauding Nourry? Just observing that, imo of course, at the time of the interview he was probably right in that we couldn't afford to do business. That obviously changed. No reason to not believe him imo. Let’s just see how things turn out because it won’t be the first time I’m in the minority and it won’t be the last time for posters to flip flop ala Ainsworth, Armstrong,Chair……. No you're right, no doubt somewhere down the line Nourry will do something or say something I don't like or agree with and I'll say so too. Just hope you're proven wrong (with the greatest respect lol) because that'll be good for the club and that's what we all want at the end of the day.
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Post by Corbray on Feb 7, 2024 19:11:04 GMT
Let’s just see how things turn out because it won’t be the first time I’m in the minority and it won’t be the last time for posters to flip flop ala Ainsworth, Armstrong,Chair……. No you're right, no doubt somewhere down the line Nourry will do something or say something I don't like or agree with and I'll say so too. Just hope you're proven wrong (with the greatest respect lol) because that'll be good for the club and that's what we all want at the end of the day. he undoubtedly will, i'm sure our best ever chairman in jim gregory made some bad decisions at times with terry venables contract being one of them. nourry is only a month into the job and hasn't had time to do good or bad. we've brought in much needed reinforcements but we always do. what i do like about nourry though is he has a footballing background and is a more modern kind of chairman, a hybrid between a DOF and a chairman. my only concern is what his business accumen, my guess is he's confident in his knowledge of stats that he plans on unearthing players and selling them on.
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