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Post by West Acton on Nov 15, 2024 14:37:39 GMT
If you get Gallen in as DoF you may as well get Holloway (or Ainsworth) back as manager. It would be going round in circles. No one can be happy with how the season has gone but anyone arguing we go back to a 1990s set up in the 2020s would have a hard job convincing me that it would take the club forward. not sure I agree why would you need people like that if he was DOF? I think he would be decent appointment in such a role he’s got pretty decent CV now.
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Post by padulasshampoo on Nov 15, 2024 14:40:41 GMT
I think those with a 'sharpened axe' toward Nourry have equal frustrations with the owners. Nourry is the fall guy as the present embodiment of just how wildly poor our owners have been at attempting to stabilise (let alone grow) the club.
At the end of the day, the squad for this season has been formed and it was clearly decided that the likes of Celar, Madsen and Varane are good enough and good enough now to contribute some very meaty roles. We rarely pay large transfer fees and when the headroom comes around it's vital that the money is invested sensibly. In hindsight I don't think it was with the Eze windfall and this latest headroom appears to have been largely squandered on players we'll actively want shot of sooner than other clubs will want them from us. I realise it's early but Celar and Madsen in particular have looked so poor that I'm pretty comfortable making that claim.
When you look back at a longer period, what on Earth has this club actually been up to? How many great players have we had over the last decade plus? Eze, Chair, Freeman was very good for a while... Who else? We're talking hundreds of players here that have largely faltered and ended up as poor investments, playing poorly and lead us to bottom half finishes and relegation scraps.
It's not just the last couple and a half seasons, our performance over the last ten years has been woeful. We've had positive goal differences twice (+1 and +2 by the way), the other eight seasons have ended in negative goal differences. We haven't cracked the top 10. We've barely threatened the top six even in-season. When Les went it was a chance for a reset and a new direction and to finally start punching above - or even at - our budget. We've ended up going backwards, laden with contracts I'm pretty sure we won't want and very few saleable assets.
Of course Nourry isn't solely to blame. Goodness knows how Andy Belk still has reputational credit in the bank after Sylla, Borysiuk, Polter, Ngbakoto, Washington, etc etc. But ultimately Nourry has been given the autonomy to lead the club toward his vision and he's trusted who he's trusted. To me, that autonomy has lead to possibly the least functional QPR squad of my lifetime. If you read what Nico posted at LFW it really shows him up for being wildly inexperienced not just within football but within his working life. Lord knows how he managed to curry so much favour so quickly... But plenty of others have done exactly the same thing to these owners.
Marti clearly showed last year he's very capable but I neither see him being able to secure enough points with the midfield and strikers he has been given to choose from nor how any other coach could get significantly more that he is. I'm making a leap here that he wasn't or isn't best pleased with the players that have come through the door as I think he's hinted at many times to the media. If Nourry and Belk ultimately decided this lot are good enough they both need to go before we lose Marti himself.
I'm completely fed up with just how exclusively poor we've been and the owners inability to move or redirect the needle. I'm at the point where I don't even care that they consistently foot the bill. The product is dreadful and always has been and it has to change. They've tried many, many people and the only one that came close to working was Warburton. Almost every other high-impact decision and appointment they've made hasn't ended up being progressive. It's simply not acceptable and it must change.
It should actually be quite hard for a club the size and with the turnover we have to get relegated from this division. You really do have to make a consistent litany of poor judgements. Clearly that's the way we're headed and I son't trust anyone at the club to get the next decision right either.
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Post by padulasshampoo on Nov 15, 2024 14:44:24 GMT
If you get Gallen in as DoF you may as well get Holloway (or Ainsworth) back as manager. It would be going round in circles. No one can be happy with how the season has gone but anyone arguing we go back to a 1990s set up in the 2020s would have a hard job convincing me that it would take the club forward. With all due respect - that's nonsense. He's had many years experience and has cut his teeth at the exact role that we needed filling at clubs that had no pre-emptive loyalty and chose him impartially as the most suited candidate. He did some really good things at Charlton and appears to have had an immediate impact at Millwall. The fact he's a QPR boy is a very happy coincidence but nothing more.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 15, 2024 15:14:07 GMT
If you get Gallen in as DoF you may as well get Holloway (or Ainsworth) back as manager. It would be going round in circles. No one can be happy with how the season has gone but anyone arguing we go back to a 1990s set up in the 2020s would have a hard job convincing me that it would take the club forward. With all due respect - that's nonsense. He's had many years experience and has cut his teeth at the exact role that we needed filling at clubs that had no pre-emptive loyalty and chose him impartially as the most suited candidate. He did some really good things at Charlton and appears to have had an immediate impact at Millwall. The fact he's a QPR boy is a very happy coincidence but nothing more. Fair enough. But would we even be talking about him if it were not for the QPR connection? Just haven't seen much evidence that the QPR's old boy club ever works.
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Post by padulasshampoo on Nov 15, 2024 15:16:26 GMT
With all due respect - that's nonsense. He's had many years experience and has cut his teeth at the exact role that we needed filling at clubs that had no pre-emptive loyalty and chose him impartially as the most suited candidate. He did some really good things at Charlton and appears to have had an immediate impact at Millwall. The fact he's a QPR boy is a very happy coincidence but nothing more. Fair enough. But would we even be talking about him if it were not for the QPR connection? Just haven't seen much evidence that the QPR's old boy club ever works. Well it's always faired better than the 26 year old bullshitter that spunks millions on midfielders that refuse to tackle and strikers that refuse to score. But once again. He's a respected professional with demonstrable experience in and out of QPR.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 15, 2024 15:17:53 GMT
I think those with a 'sharpened axe' toward Nourry have equal frustrations with the owners. Nourry is the fall guy as the present embodiment of just how wildly poor our owners have been at attempting to stabilise (let alone grow) the club. At the end of the day, the squad for this season has been formed and it was clearly decided that the likes of Celar, Madsen and Varane are good enough and good enough now to contribute some very meaty roles. We rarely pay large transfer fees and when the headroom comes around it's vital that the money is invested sensibly. In hindsight I don't think it was with the Eze windfall and this latest headroom appears to have been largely squandered on players we'll actively want shot of sooner than other clubs will want them from us. I realise it's early but Celar and Madsen in particular have looked so poor that I'm pretty comfortable making that claim. When you look back at a longer period, what on Earth has this club actually been up to? How many great players have we had over the last decade plus? Eze, Chair, Freeman was very good for a while... Who else? We're talking hundreds of players here that have largely faltered and ended up as poor investments, playing poorly and lead us to bottom half finishes and relegation scraps. It's not just the last couple and a half seasons, our performance over the last ten years has been woeful. We've had positive goal differences twice (+1 and +2 by the way), the other eight seasons have ended in negative goal differences. We haven't cracked the top 10. We've barely threatened the top six even in-season. When Les went it was a chance for a reset and a new direction and to finally start punching above - or even at - our budget. We've ended up going backwards, laden with contracts I'm pretty sure we won't want and very few saleable assets. Of course Nourry isn't solely to blame. Goodness knows how Andy Belk still has repetitional credit in the bank after Sylla, Borysiuk, Polter, Ngbakoto, Washington, etc etc. But ultimately Nourry has been given the autonomy to lead the club toward his vision and he's trusted who he's trusted. To me, that autonomy has lead to possibly the least functional QPR squad of my lifetime. If you read what Nico posted at LFW it really shows him up for being wildly inexperienced not just within football but within his working life. Lord knows how he managed to curry so much favour so quickly... But plenty of others have done exactly the same thing to these owners. Marti clearly showed last year he's very capable but I neither see him being able to secure enough points with the midfield and strikers he has been given to choose from nor how any other coach could get significantly more that he is. I'm making a leap here that he wasn't or isn't best pleased with the players that have come through the door as I think he's hinted at many times to the media. If Nourry and Belk ultimately decided this lot are good enough they both need to go before we lose Marti himself. I'm completely fed up with just how exclusively poor we've been and the owners inability to move or redirect the needle. I'm at the point where I don't even care that they consistently foot the bill. The product is dreadful and always has been and it has to change. They've tried many, many people and the only one that came close to working was Warburton. Almost every other high-impact decision and appointment they've made hasn't ended up being progressive. It's simply not acceptable and it must change. It should actually be quite hard for a club the size and with the turnover we have to get relegated from this division. You really do have to make a consistent litany of poor judgements. Clearly that's the way we're headed and I son't trust anyone at the club to get the next decision right either. Good post, but what is your solution?
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Post by James1979 on Nov 15, 2024 17:04:21 GMT
If you get Gallen in as DoF you may as well get Holloway (or Ainsworth) back as manager. It would be going round in circles. No one can be happy with how the season has gone but anyone arguing we go back to a 1990s set up in the 2020s would have a hard job convincing me that it would take the club forward. With all due respect - that's nonsense. He's had many years experience and has cut his teeth at the exact role that we needed filling at clubs that had no pre-emptive loyalty and chose him impartially as the most suited candidate. He did some really good things at Charlton and appears to have had an immediate impact at Millwall. The fact he's a QPR boy is a very happy coincidence but nothing more. Getting rid of Nourry will make zero impact on this season. He doesn’t set the team up. Getting rid of him won’t bring our injured players back. Not will we score more or concede less. The issues are the squad last season. We cannot continue with so many injury prone players in the squad. I think we just have to sit it out with the current ceo and manager. Hope players come back and pray!
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Post by James1979 on Nov 15, 2024 17:06:38 GMT
So we want owners who know what they are doing and foot the bill? We could end up with clueless owners who don’t want to foot the bill. Be careful what you wish for
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Post by Greg1882 on Nov 15, 2024 19:28:13 GMT
So we want owners who know what they are doing and foot the bill? We could end up with clueless owners who don’t want to foot the bill. Be careful what you wish for I want owners who have more ambition than just surviving in the championship. If we have to go back to go forward then so be it but I am fucking tired of the same old shit, the same old mistakes, the same old mismanagement year in year out.
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Post by systemsguy on Nov 15, 2024 20:21:10 GMT
I miss the glory days of Flav and Bernie... They took a ramshackle old football club and flogged it to some mug for £30M cash on the hip who took on all our debts...
Adel in his pomp... Paddy in goal...
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Post by Shania on Nov 15, 2024 20:35:35 GMT
I hope he is looking to bring in a few loans in January. Heaven knows we need it.
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Post by James1979 on Nov 15, 2024 20:36:15 GMT
So we want owners who know what they are doing and foot the bill? We could end up with clueless owners who don’t want to foot the bill. Be careful what you wish for I want owners who have more ambition than just surviving in the championship. If we have to go back to go forward then so be it but I am fucking tired of the same old shit, the same old mistakes, the same old mismanagement year in year out. How do you know they don’t have more ambition?
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 15, 2024 21:19:56 GMT
. If you read what Nico posted at LFW it really shows him up for being wildly inexperienced not just within football but within his working life. Lord knows how he managed to curry so much favour so quickly... . I read it, and as I posted on here a couple of pages back, I found it to be very largely subjective opinion and highly circumstantial. Evidentially it was poor. Obviously, I completely agree with you about the owners and have been frustrated by them for years. The buck of course should stop with them. However, no one is knocking down their door their door to buy the club, and that means right now the only people who might conceivably be moved on are the CEO or Marti. Both have imo made some poor calls, but the recruitment side is handled by The Gang of Four, which includes Marti. Marti is also responsible for the first team’s tactics, set up and fitness, all areas in which he has been found wanting. The point I’m making here is that it is illogical to call for Christians head if Marti stays. The other point I’d a question is whether Warburton produced our best football in recent years. For me, Beale actually made the greatest football difference for the simple reason that he understood the importance of quick ball, something both Marti and Warbs failed to grasp or implement. Obviously that period only lasted for a few games pre - meltdown, but we were actually a pretty decent side, albeit briefly.
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Post by Greg1882 on Nov 16, 2024 18:11:29 GMT
I want owners who have more ambition than just surviving in the championship. If we have to go back to go forward then so be it but I am fucking tired of the same old shit, the same old mistakes, the same old mismanagement year in year out. How do you know they don’t have more ambition? Just going on the year after year of incompetence they display. The repeatedly poor decision making, the lack of involvement, the constant willingness to lose money hand over fist, the shit signings, the shit league finishes, the stagnation of a once great club. That sort of thing gives it away really
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Post by West Acton on Nov 16, 2024 19:34:31 GMT
With all due respect - that's nonsense. He's had many years experience and has cut his teeth at the exact role that we needed filling at clubs that had no pre-emptive loyalty and chose him impartially as the most suited candidate. He did some really good things at Charlton and appears to have had an immediate impact at Millwall. The fact he's a QPR boy is a very happy coincidence but nothing more. Getting rid of Nourry will make zero impact on this season. He doesn’t set the team up. Getting rid of him won’t bring our injured players back. Not will we score more or concede less. The issues are the squad last season. We cannot continue with so many injury prone players in the squad. I think we just have to sit it out with the current ceo and manager. Hope players come back and pray! will if you get rid of him before the window and get some proper players in.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 16, 2024 19:44:45 GMT
That’s a big IF mate and I don’t think it will happen. They’ve spent up I reckon and we’re in for a big struggle. Marti has got to turn out to be what we hope he is😁
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Post by James1979 on Nov 16, 2024 20:53:27 GMT
Getting rid of Nourry will make zero impact on this season. He doesn’t set the team up. Getting rid of him won’t bring our injured players back. Not will we score more or concede less. The issues are the squad last season. We cannot continue with so many injury prone players in the squad. I think we just have to sit it out with the current ceo and manager. Hope players come back and pray! will if you get rid of him before the window and get some proper players in. For who? The injury plagued players from last season or the new players? I think we need to seek JCS and Chair and get in 3 proper players.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 16, 2024 21:42:44 GMT
will if you get rid of him before the window and get some proper players in. Nourry oversaw the Hayden, Frey, Nardi and Saito signings too. Should we start being selective when judging him over which players he's played a 25% part in signing? Some signings work out, other don't....Others the jury is still out on....Sometimes you have an injury crisis....This is just the reality in football. All a bit moot anyway if the budget's already been used up.
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 16, 2024 22:18:06 GMT
will if you get rid of him before the window and get some proper players in. Nourry oversaw the Hayden, Frey, Nardi and Saito signings too. Correct, and whenever his contact with QPR actually started, Marti actually put pen to paper on CN's watch. I think the owners are going to try and ride this one out. There's been talk of Gallen - I'd love a battle hardened, old skool, championship savvy body involved at LR, but I'd prefer him to work with these guys rather than without them. A daddy figure, if you will. Wont happen though <sigh>
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Post by West Acton on Nov 17, 2024 8:13:13 GMT
will if you get rid of him before the window and get some proper players in. Nourry oversaw the Hayden, Frey, Nardi and Saito signings too. Should we start being selective when judging him over which players he's played a 25% part in signing? Some signings work out, other don't....Others the jury is still out on....Sometimes you have an injury crisis....This is just the reality in football. All a bit moot anyway if the budget's already been used up. Nardi and Hayden I give you I think both super signings. Frey decent but let’s be honest he’s not the answer to the forward issues and Saito has promise but their remains questions marks imo. Even if I was to accept your four signings that’s a pretty poor success rate from what he’s done in two windows. One player not even here anymore and he was the one player he should have signed. Accept Nourry has support of many fans which get but like Beale I’m not a fan there is element of something not quite right about him I hope I’m wrong.
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Post by James1979 on Nov 17, 2024 9:46:08 GMT
Nourry oversaw the Hayden, Frey, Nardi and Saito signings too. Should we start being selective when judging him over which players he's played a 25% part in signing? Some signings work out, other don't....Others the jury is still out on....Sometimes you have an injury crisis....This is just the reality in football. All a bit moot anyway if the budget's already been used up. Nardi and Hayden I give you I think both super signings. Frey decent but let’s be honest he’s not the answer to the forward issues and Saito has promise but their remains questions marks imo. Even if I was to accept your four signings that’s a pretty poor success rate from what he’s done in two windows. One player not even here anymore and he was the one player he should have signed. Accept Nourry has support of many fans which get but like Beale I’m not a fan there is element of something not quite right about him I hope I’m wrong. I’m indifferent on Nourry. I just don’t put our situation down to one guy. In addition to signings above, the jury is still out on Varane and Morrison and Dembele.
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 17, 2024 11:21:19 GMT
I just don’t put our situation down to one guy. Is the right answer. Of course it’s not just down to one guy. Any transfer business we do has to be approved by four people, that’s the way the club works these days: Belk Calm Marti CN. Added to which our troubled history, overseen by previous older, but equally problematic CEOs paved the way for the situation in which we now find ourselves.
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Post by boboqpr on Nov 18, 2024 15:51:03 GMT
If you went into Tesco and found QPR for sale. Would you buy it....no. its a basket case. I can see no way we will stay in the Championship. I met Nouri last year and he told me we would be in the Premiership within a couple of years. I must find out what he is on.
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