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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 10, 2024 18:11:18 GMT
Based on what Nourry said before the shit hit fan, it seems that Marti and Xavi had to give consent. So, they can’t sulk at the players they’ve got. And must take share of the blame. but consent to what? If there only offered rubbish its not much of a choice. If this was the best they were offered to consent too I dread to think what they said no too looked like. Belk and Nourry suggestions seem like equivalent of asking if you would rather lose your left eye or your right one. Answer is neither but if I have to choose…….. But then if I'm Marti I wouldn't stand for that (in the same way Warbs refused to pick players foisted on him). Tell them this isn't what we signed up to because it'll be his and Xavi's heads and reputations on the block (and your jobs safe) when it goes to shit, which is what's happened. There's been no indication that Marti's been unhappy about the situation. That's why my intuition tells me he's equally culpable. I think he's been naïve too, considering his inexperience of the championship which is unlike any league he's previously managed in. Yes, he did brilliant last season but that was with a fully fit squad plus better players like Hayden and Willock. And I don't care what anyone says, I maintain Willock leaving hit us hard too. Nourry is the obvious villain but I think it's on the four of them collectively. I said yesterday, get rid of Belk before anyone because he's the common factor that's resided over this mess for far far longer. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 10, 2024 18:13:00 GMT
I cant believe Marti or Xavi had a say in these signings because if they did they have no right to hold the positions they are in. If he had no say in eg Madsen, why stick him straight in the side after what 1 training session? We can’t blame solely Nourry here |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 10, 2024 18:28:57 GMT
I cant believe Marti or Xavi had a say in these signings because if they did they have no right to hold the positions they are in. If he had no say in eg Madsen, why stick him straight in the side after what 1 training session? We can’t blame solely Nourry here agreed. tbh i blame belk for it more so than nourry as belk would have been the one gathering data and the like on madsen and if he liked what he saw then bias would play a part in it. imagine you're in belk's position, you see madsen's stats and in your eyes you think that £3m is an absolute steal for him. instead of looking into his negatives like ... y'know, THE FACT THAT AT 6'4, HE CAN'T HEAD THE BALL AND HAS THE UPPER BODY STRENGTH OF STEPHEN HAWKINS ... you only see the positives and completely disregard the fact that the championship is a physically demanding league. you could spin it in such a way that madsen seems like the second coming of messi to the point that marti and nourry feel no other option than signing madsen ASAP. i mean who knows, maybe madsen will come good. technically he's brilliant and would probably be a good player in serie A for a midtable side. but to overlook those absolutely glaring cons - cons we all saw in his first one or two games no less - is just plain ignorant stupidity. £3m could have got us a good ball playing championship tested CM. i'm not so much angry at the varane signing as he's getting better and better each game. no hayden yet of course but of all our signings he's the only one up to the physicality of the league and is rapidly coming up to speed. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 10, 2024 19:27:30 GMT
If he had no say in eg Madsen, why stick him straight in the side after what 1 training session? We can’t blame solely Nourry here agreed. tbh i blame belk for it more so than nourry as belk would have been the one gathering data and the like on madsen and if he liked what he saw then bias would play a part in it. imagine you're in belk's position, you see madsen's stats and in your eyes you think that £3m is an absolute steal for him. instead of looking into his negatives like ... y'know, THE FACT THAT AT 6'4, HE CAN'T HEAD THE BALL AND HAS THE UPPER BODY STRENGTH OF STEPHEN HAWKINS ... you only see the positives and completely disregard the fact that the championship is a physically demanding league. you could spin it in such a way that madsen seems like the second coming of messi to the point that marti and nourry feel no other option than signing madsen ASAP. i mean who knows, maybe madsen will come good. technically he's brilliant and would probably be a good player in serie A for a midtable side. but to overlook those absolutely glaring cons - cons we all saw in his first one or two games no less - is just plain ignorant stupidity. £3m could have got us a good ball playing championship tested CM. i'm not so much angry at the varane signing as he's getting better and better each game. no hayden yet of course but of all our signings he's the only one up to the physicality of the league and is rapidly coming up to speed. Saito whilst a loan player looks good. I still think Dembele and Morrison will be a good signings. Nardi is good. The 2 right backs are awful. Madsen and Celar may be good in some leagues just not England |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 10, 2024 19:41:43 GMT
agreed. tbh i blame belk for it more so than nourry as belk would have been the one gathering data and the like on madsen and if he liked what he saw then bias would play a part in it. imagine you're in belk's position, you see madsen's stats and in your eyes you think that £3m is an absolute steal for him. instead of looking into his negatives like ... y'know, THE FACT THAT AT 6'4, HE CAN'T HEAD THE BALL AND HAS THE UPPER BODY STRENGTH OF STEPHEN HAWKINS ... you only see the positives and completely disregard the fact that the championship is a physically demanding league. you could spin it in such a way that madsen seems like the second coming of messi to the point that marti and nourry feel no other option than signing madsen ASAP. i mean who knows, maybe madsen will come good. technically he's brilliant and would probably be a good player in serie A for a midtable side. but to overlook those absolutely glaring cons - cons we all saw in his first one or two games no less - is just plain ignorant stupidity. £3m could have got us a good ball playing championship tested CM. i'm not so much angry at the varane signing as he's getting better and better each game. no hayden yet of course but of all our signings he's the only one up to the physicality of the league and is rapidly coming up to speed. Saito whilst a loan player looks good. I still think Dembele and Morrison will be a good signings. Nardi is good. The 2 right backs are awful. Madsen and Celar may be good in some leagues just not England same here but madsen and celar obviously have the * about them as they came as marquee signings. no doubt for me that dembele will be a great player in time for us. saito looks good and makes up for his small frame with his determination and work rate. would love us to sign him on a permanent tbh. santos though? fucking awful. of all our players he's the one i have zero hope for. ashby looks out of depth but could in time be a lower midtable championship player. santos looks like a fish out of water in this league though, zero muscle and offers nothing in defence or attack. real question mark signings for him and ashby tbh. feel a bit for celar as from his highlights we aren't able to play to his strengths. he's a finisher, the guy that gets onto the end of through balls or low crosses. he's not the type to hold up play or batter defenders which again makes me wonder why we brought him in as from the get go this season we've played a traditional number 9 style of football. |
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Post by Tarbie on Nov 10, 2024 20:16:12 GMT
You'd assume Marti knew what he was getting with Madsen given they were both in Danish football at the same time.
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Post by Bill on Nov 10, 2024 21:06:16 GMT
I cant believe Marti or Xavi had a say in these signings because if they did they have no right to hold the positions they are in. If he had no say in eg Madsen, why stick him straight in the side after what 1 training session? We can’t blame solely Nourry here Chair was injured and saw him as his replacement and rest is history. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 10, 2024 21:08:02 GMT
If he had no say in eg Madsen, why stick him straight in the side after what 1 training session? We can’t blame solely Nourry here Chair was injured and saw him as his replacement I think Dembele and Saito are seen as replacements for Chair. |
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Post by Bill on Nov 10, 2024 21:12:14 GMT
Chair was injured and saw him as his replacement I think Dembele and Saito are seen as replacements for Chair. Ok have it your way,we are still crap. Blame Marti,Belk,Calm and Nourry. Saito 😂 Dembele😂 |
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Post by 1973ranger on Nov 10, 2024 22:33:40 GMT
You'd assume Marti knew what he was getting with Madsen given they were both in Danish football at the same time. Was listening to the West London Sport podcast and Dave Mc said that he had a few clubs looked at Madsen but the opinion was he was too slowly and lightweight for this league. To be fair he did say that just after we signed him. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 10, 2024 22:58:39 GMT
With regards to Madsen, Anderson, Santos, Celar. Maybe they are all decent and competent players.....
Just not in the championship.
That was for me the biggest of fuck ups. It's a tough league! You need know how, muscle, experience and a bit of nouse in this league.
This lot look like rabbits in the headlights. Completely terrible fit.
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Post by James1979 on Nov 11, 2024 7:07:58 GMT
With regards to Madsen, Anderson, Santos, Celar. Maybe they are all decent and competent players..... Just not in the championship. That was for me the biggest of fuck ups. It's a tough league! You need know how, muscle, experience and a bit of nouse in this league. This lot look like rabbits in the headlights. Completely terrible fit. I don’t understand the Madsen signing. He’s 6 foot odd and a midfielder. But we were told before he signs that he doesn’t like to head or tackle. And yet he’s joining a Tier 2 English side. That’s all the “stats” you need to know to realise he shouldn’t join us. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Nov 11, 2024 7:55:15 GMT
With regards to Madsen, Anderson, Santos, Celar. Maybe they are all decent and competent players..... Just not in the championship. That was for me the biggest of fuck ups. It's a tough league! You need know how, muscle, experience and a bit of nouse in this league. This lot look like rabbits in the headlights. Completely terrible fit. I don’t understand the Madsen signing. He’s 6 foot odd and a midfielder. But we were told before he signs that he doesn’t like to head or tackle. And yet he’s joining a Tier 2 English side. That’s all the “stats” you need to know to realise he shouldn’t join us. Agreed. Where are these comments? I keep seeing them quoted but haven't personally seen them myself. |
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Post by Shania on Nov 11, 2024 8:13:59 GMT
With regards to Madsen, Anderson, Santos, Celar. Maybe they are all decent and competent players..... Just not in the championship. That was for me the biggest of fuck ups. It's a tough league! You need know how, muscle, experience and a bit of nouse in this league. This lot look like rabbits in the headlights. Completely terrible fit. I don’t understand the Madsen signing. He’s 6 foot odd and a midfielder. But we were told before he signs that he doesn’t like to head or tackle. And yet he’s joining a Tier 2 English side. That’s all the “stats” you need to know to realise he shouldn’t join us. When he said that in his first interview with us, I was more thinking that he is a midfielder who needs Colback, Field etc besides him; A Ben Watson type of player if you like. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Nov 11, 2024 13:51:43 GMT
This was posted on LFW:
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 11, 2024 14:38:19 GMT
No wonder he favours the silent, secretive approach.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 11, 2024 15:21:20 GMT
www.retexo.com/aboutI have nothing to go on except personal experience of what sounds very similar, but draw your own conclusions. This smacks royally of American BS. There has grown up a whole new world of plausible people finding out all they can about gullible individuals and companies so they can feed it back to them, dressed up with jargon and buzz words, for a large fee. Stealing their watch so you can tell them the time. My wife used to work for one. Attended a seminar with her boss. He was not a financial expert but was addressing a room full of FDs. As she thought at the time, how have they got their jobs, they should know all this already in their position?
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Post by 1qprdk on Nov 11, 2024 17:36:35 GMT
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 11, 2024 17:40:12 GMT
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Post by Shania on Nov 11, 2024 18:00:11 GMT
Beale off the pitch?
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 11, 2024 18:52:56 GMT
Anyone explain how this comprehensive Nourry thread all ended up on the Southampton forum? |
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Post by hubble on Nov 11, 2024 18:59:23 GMT
Anyone explain how this comprehensive Nourry thread all ended up on the Southampton forum? This is an exact simulacrum of LFW, how does that work? |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Nov 11, 2024 22:23:31 GMT
Anyone explain how this comprehensive Nourry thread all ended up on the Southampton forum? Which one? |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 11, 2024 22:44:53 GMT
Anyone explain how this comprehensive Nourry thread all ended up on the Southampton forum? Which one? follow the link in my previous 👍🏼 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 11, 2024 23:32:43 GMT
Anyone explain how this comprehensive Nourry thread all ended up on the Southampton forum? Some sort of tiltage on the server as LFW shares the same database |
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Post by Bill on Nov 12, 2024 16:19:30 GMT
Get rid
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Post by The General on Nov 12, 2024 18:30:53 GMT
And get who ? Still think they both should get another 4 games Its the players that are rubbish is it not |
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 13, 2024 9:37:35 GMT
As for Nourry, it's too early to say if he is doing a good or a bad job, surely.
6 months ago, many on here were praising him for realigning the training set up, removing the Spurs connection, shifting out Dozzell to bring in others and so on.
Now, the data backed signings haven't all worked. But before signing, we were all happy with it. Now people are saying that we need Championship players on the merry go round. Argument that there could have been a mix.
So in short, I am still open minded like I was when he was doing stuff right. Reading the thread, and the amount of replies about rumours are crazy.
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Post by hubble on Nov 13, 2024 9:51:59 GMT
More on Nourry from LFW, posted by 'Hunterhoop': "I too had taken a gander at his Companies House appointments. HB Media Group has unaudited micro accounts showing just £43k of assets and £42k of creditors in 2021 with net assets of under a grand. It’s not a proper business, let alone one advising the giants of European football. There were 10 shareholders in here. It’s been dissolved. The other business he has been a legal director in is RADF Limited. He is the only shareholder. Current assets in 2023 of £71k, with net assets of £64k. No idea what this business is. My guess is he has created a limited company for him to use for freelance/consulting activity for him to be paid into so he avoids income tax. No mention anywhere of him being a founder or director or Retexo. Charles Gould is the Founder. He’s a recruitment consultant, who’s been involved in Retexo for 3 years. He has no experience as a leader of business or people, no genuine experience in football, and he certainly hasn’t been in the game for 11 years. Our owners did no due diligence on his appointment. Employing Retexo, I can just about get my head around. They advised some other clubs. But Nourry was just an employee and had only been the case for about 3 years. Imagine you own a £20m turnover business, and you engage Deloitte (generous, a very small local consultancy firm is a better analogy) and you have them do an audit of your operations. The grunt work is done by the associate (as standard). At the end of this audit, you make the Associate CEO. That is what Ruben has done. The Associate, rather than admit they’re fortunate and a bit out of their depth so needs to rely on others, then proceeds to lie to all and sundry about his credentials due to the understandable insecurity, and becomes a directive control freak. It would be a travesty if it was a local £20m business. It is worse when it’s your football club too, which thousands care deeply about. He needs to go immediately. "
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 13, 2024 10:11:45 GMT
More on Nourry from LFW, posted by 'Hunterhoop': "I too had taken a gander at his Companies House appointments. HB Media Group has unaudited micro accounts showing just £43k of assets and £42k of creditors in 2021 with net assets of under a grand. It’s not a proper business, let alone one advising the giants of European football. There were 10 shareholders in here. It’s been dissolved. The other business he has been a legal director in is RADF Limited. He is the only shareholder. Current assets in 2023 of £71k, with net assets of £64k. No idea what this business is. My guess is he has created a limited company for him to use for freelance/consulting activity for him to be paid into so he avoids income tax. No mention anywhere of him being a founder or director or Retexo. Charles Gould is the Founder. He’s a recruitment consultant, who’s been involved in Retexo for 3 years. He has no experience as a leader of business or people, no genuine experience in football, and he certainly hasn’t been in the game for 11 years. Our owners did no due diligence on his appointment. Employing Retexo, I can just about get my head around. They advised some other clubs. But Nourry was just an employee and had only been the case for about 3 years. Imagine you own a £20m turnover business, and you engage Deloitte (generous, a very small local consultancy firm is a better analogy) and you have them do an audit of your operations. The grunt work is done by the associate (as standard). At the end of this audit, you make the Associate CEO. That is what Ruben has done. The Associate, rather than admit they’re fortunate and a bit out of their depth so needs to rely on others, then proceeds to lie to all and sundry about his credentials due to the understandable insecurity, and becomes a directive control freak. It would be a travesty if it was a local £20m business. It is worse when it’s your football club too, which thousands care deeply about. He needs to go immediately. "
I just fail to see how the owners wouldn't have done some checks or known who was the owner of the company auditing them. They are successful business people so they know the need of a good CEO. |
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