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Post by hal9thou on Nov 13, 2024 10:13:06 GMT
There are a couple of major inaccuracies (re tax, re the Lord Charles thing) in that LFW post plus quite a lot of subjective opinion, which is incompatible with serious financial analysis
It’s beginning to feel like a bit of a witch hunt. The main take out here is that Nourry did not appoint himself. For years, we’ve had owners who know nothing about football making key football decisions. For years, we’ve urged for the appointment of someone who knows the game inside out to advise the board. This has never happened and we’ve paid the price.
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Post by Bill on Nov 13, 2024 11:07:38 GMT
So he is a fraud,just here for a payout?
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Post by hubble on Nov 13, 2024 11:35:16 GMT
I just fail to see how the owners wouldn't have done some checks or known who was the owner of the company auditing them. They are successful business people so they know the need of a good CEO. Are they? Apparently Reuben inherited his wealth. |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 13, 2024 11:38:28 GMT
So he is a fraud,just here for a payout? . No, I don’t think so. It’s very much in his interests to make a success of the club. I I think the drama queens on LFW are making far too much of his alleged misrepresentation. The questions that need asking should be answered by those in charge of his appointment. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 13, 2024 11:48:44 GMT
Yeah for the sake of some balance to the LFW lot, people need to take emotion out of it and try to forget they never liked him because he’s a young and posh lad.
The Deloitte comparison is nonsense. He was much higher than Associate level. I thought he was more Partner or Director level. So, whilst he lacked experience he clearly would have good knowledge or our club and certain aspects of professional football.
The comment on “no diligence” is just pure guesswork. How on earth does anyone know whether we did any research on the guy or not?
That said, he’s clearly got a lot to answer for the recruitment side. Also his communication with the fans needs significant improvement. Were a very forgiving lot if you treat as like adults!
As said previously, not one person is to blame for this situation. I really don’t get why Nourry takes all the blame but Marti seems to get away with it. Who is setting up the team? Who looks grumpy all the time? They both need to do their jobs better.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 13, 2024 12:03:39 GMT
Who looks grumpy all the time? Cant blame him really😁
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Post by James1979 on Nov 13, 2024 12:05:17 GMT
Who looks grumpy all the time? Cant blame him really😁 Marti. Also seems to be a comments around player recruitment etc. fine you’re not happy but just do your job Marti. Take some responsibility |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 13, 2024 12:52:46 GMT
Quite a few with an axe to grind over on LFW so I take much of those copy and pasted posts to here with a healthy pinch of salt If Nourry is going to fail with us it will be from digging his own hole with his own words, if he's found to have lied, and that he's on public record with (which I posted here three days ago, as a reminder); and not because of some fan-driven witch hunt. |
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Post by James1979 on Nov 13, 2024 13:27:43 GMT
Quite a few with an axe to grind over on LFW so I take much of those copy and pasted posts to here with a healthy pinch of salt If Nourry is going to fail with us it will be from digging his own hole with his own words, if he's found to have lied, and that he's on public record with (which I posted here three days ago, as a reminder); and not because of some fan-driven witch hunt. But why do they have this Axe to grind? That’s what I don’t get. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 13, 2024 13:32:06 GMT
Quite a few with an axe to grind over on LFW so I take much of those copy and pasted posts to here with a healthy pinch of salt If Nourry is going to fail with us it will be from digging his own hole with his own words, if he's found to have lied, and that he's on public record with (which I posted here three days ago, as a reminder); and not because of some fan-driven witch hunt. But why do they have this Axe to grind? That’s what I don’t get. You answered some of those questions in your own post above.Another reason is their snub of the usual interview with the manager at the start of each season. So the knives have now been sharpened. |
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Post by systemsguy on Nov 13, 2024 13:39:59 GMT
I have tried to subtly suggest in a few posts that certain alumni of LFW feel they have been cut adrift of news and "insight" since Nourry became CEO / DOF...
The site apparently asked for a club interview before the start of season and for a change one wasn't forthcoming as Nourry wants to close down all the leaks..
I'm of the opinion WLS are a bit persona non gratis as well...
Been watching the knives sharpening with glee...
I still suspect Nourry will go before Cifuentes
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Post by systemsguy on Nov 13, 2024 13:47:55 GMT
LFW had a pretty barbed comment about contract signings being saved for a "good news" moment such as Marti and Xavi's three year deal being sorted before the start of the season as reward for keeping us up rather than during the previous international break ...
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Post by hubble on Nov 13, 2024 14:03:17 GMT
I really don't think you can put this down to LFW having 'an axe to grind'. The bald facts are: A) Nourry has no experience of working in football (running football websites doesn't count). B) He's incredibly young and therefore not only completely inexperienced in the world of football, but in running an operation of the size and cultural importance of QPR. C) He is not only the CEO, he's also - although this isn't exactly clarified - the de facto DoF - a position which he is fundamentally unqualified for. Added to this: D) His minimal communication style creates an information vacuum which only leads to fan dissatisfaction and constant and destabilising speculation. This is a sign of what point B) indicates. Now of course, had the new players turned out to be any good (some of them have, so he's done sort of ok there), and had we not had a terrible injury list (he has to take some blame there with his failure to deal with the Ben Williams situation), then we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the fact is QPR languish at the foot of the table, with the worst form record in the entire EFL. And yet we have a clearly capable manager who hasn't managed to deal with these issues (not sure who could), leading to his own position looking very vulnerable. And then, when you have a football news site - that was founded by Nourry - publishing stories about someone be lined up to replace Marti - it all really starts to stink.
What has any of the above got to do with LFW having an axe to grind? Surely the converse is true: LFW posters are (quite rightly) deeply concerned about how our club is being run, what's happeing behind the scenes, and who is in charge. That's the picture as I see it.
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Post by Bill on Nov 13, 2024 14:27:26 GMT
I really don't think you can put this down to LFW having 'an axe to grind'. The bald facts are: A) Nourry has no experience of working in football (running football websites doesn't count). B) He's incredibly young and therefore not only completely inexperienced in the world of football, but in running an operation of the size and cultural importance of QPR. C) He is not only the CEO, he's also - although this isn't exactly clarified - the de facto DoF - a position which he is fundamentally unqualified for. Added to this: D) His minimal communication style creates an information vacuum which only leads to fan dissatisfaction and constant and destabilising specuation. This is a sign of what point B) indicates. Now of course, had the new players turned out to be any good (some of them have, so he's done sort of ok there), and had we not had a terrible injury list (he has to take some blame there with his failure to deal with the Ben Williams situation), then we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the fact is QPR languish at the foot of the table, with the worst form record in the entire EFL. And yet we have a clearly capable manager who hasn't managed to deal with these issues (not sure who could), leading to his own position looking very vulnerable. And then, when you have football news site - that was founded by Nourry - publishing stories about someone be lined up to replace Marti - it all really starts to stink.
What has any of the above got to do with LFW having an axe to grind? Surely the converse is true: LFW posters are (quite rightly) deeply concerned about how our club is being run, what's happeing behind the scenes, and who is in charge. That's the picture as I see it.
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 13, 2024 15:19:48 GMT
Out of curiosity, what communication do you want/expect from a CEO?
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 13, 2024 20:26:24 GMT
I really don't think you can put this down to LFW having 'an axe to grind'. The bald facts are: A) Nourry has no experience of working in football (running football websites doesn't count). B) He's incredibly young and therefore not only completely inexperienced in the world of football, but in running an operation of the size and cultural importance of QPR. C) He is not only the CEO, he's also - although this isn't exactly clarified - the de facto DoF - a position which he is fundamentally unqualified for. Added to this: D) His minimal communication style creates an information vacuum which only leads to fan dissatisfaction and constant and destabilising speculation. This is a sign of what point B) indicates. Now of course, had the new players turned out to be any good (some of them have, so he's done sort of ok there), and had we not had a terrible injury list (he has to take some blame there with his failure to deal with the Ben Williams situation), then we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the fact is QPR languish at the foot of the table, with the worst form record in the entire EFL. And yet we have a clearly capable manager who hasn't managed to deal with these issues (not sure who could), leading to his own position looking very vulnerable. And then, when you have a football news site - that was founded by Nourry - publishing stories about someone be lined up to replace Marti - it all really starts to stink.
What has any of the above got to do with LFW having an axe to grind? Surely the converse is true: LFW posters are (quite rightly) deeply concerned about how our club is being run, what's happeing behind the scenes, and who is in charge. That's the picture as I see it.
The first thing that needs to be remembered is No CN = no MF. Nourry recruited Marti and the board rubber stamped it. Taking the other points in order. Retexo might not be working in football in the boot room sense, but for me it still counts. Yes, he's young, but our last couple of CEOs were not and still managed to fuck things up. Thirdly, Nourry is not the DoF and never claimed to be. Our business is overseen by a gang of four who take collective responsibility for market decisions. The four include Marti and Xavi. And no one was complaining about the lack of information last season when things were going well. Regarding the leak. To do that, Nourry would a) have to be far more stupid than he is and b) have a cast iron motive. Which would be what, exactly? I think it far more likely that someone else placed the story to deliberately discredit him or advance their, or their client's, own agenda. Either way, it's worked a treat. Agents, for example, are always spinning to journos, and of course sections of the media have had their cages rattled by the sealed lips at LR. LFW (Clive) has made no secret of the size of the axe he's grinding. Or it could simply have been an in joke at Nourry's expense: whoever did it would obviously have known that CN was associated with the site. It's interesting that the focus has shifted from Marti to Christian, who is inexperienced and has overseen mistakes. But Marti coaches the first team, is responsible for their tactics and has a hand in recruitment.Let's see how it all plays out.... |
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 14, 2024 9:58:08 GMT
I really don't think you can put this down to LFW having 'an axe to grind'. The bald facts are: A) Nourry has no experience of working in football (running football websites doesn't count). B) He's incredibly young and therefore not only completely inexperienced in the world of football, but in running an operation of the size and cultural importance of QPR. C) He is not only the CEO, he's also - although this isn't exactly clarified - the de facto DoF - a position which he is fundamentally unqualified for. Added to this: D) His minimal communication style creates an information vacuum which only leads to fan dissatisfaction and constant and destabilising speculation. This is a sign of what point B) indicates. Now of course, had the new players turned out to be any good (some of them have, so he's done sort of ok there), and had we not had a terrible injury list (he has to take some blame there with his failure to deal with the Ben Williams situation), then we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the fact is QPR languish at the foot of the table, with the worst form record in the entire EFL. And yet we have a clearly capable manager who hasn't managed to deal with these issues (not sure who could), leading to his own position looking very vulnerable. And then, when you have a football news site - that was founded by Nourry - publishing stories about someone be lined up to replace Marti - it all really starts to stink.
What has any of the above got to do with LFW having an axe to grind? Surely the converse is true: LFW posters are (quite rightly) deeply concerned about how our club is being run, what's happeing behind the scenes, and who is in charge. That's the picture as I see it.
The first thing that needs to be remembered is No CN = no MF. Nourry recruited Marti and the board rubber stamped it. Taking the other points in order. Retexo might not be working in football in the boot room sense, but for me it still counts. Yes, he's young, but our last couple of CEOs were not and still managed to fuck things up. Thirdly, Nourry is not the DoF and never claimed to be. Our business is overseen by a gang of four who take collective responsibility for market decisions. The four include Marti and Xavi. And no one was complaining about the lack of information last season when things were going well. Regarding the leak. To do that, Nourry would a) have to be far more stupid than he is and b) have a cast iron motive. Which would be what, exactly? I think it far more likely that someone else placed the story to deliberately discredit him or advance their, or their client's, own agenda. Either way, it's worked a treat. Agents, for example, are always spinning to journos, and of course sections of the media have had their cages rattled by the sealed lips at LR. LFW (Clive) has made no secret of the size of the axe he's grinding. Or it could simply have been an in joke at Nourry's expense: whoever did it would obviously have known that CN was associated with the site. It's interesting that the focus has shifted from Marti to Christian, who is inexperienced and has overseen mistakes. But Marti coaches the first team, is responsible for their tactics and has a hand in recruitment.Let's see how it all plays out.... Agree with most of this and the last bit about recruitment is where all this comes from. We won't know who has how much sway in the recruitment. We know who is involved but we don't know who has the overall say and power. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 14, 2024 16:41:34 GMT
The other possibility is that this is Vignal or his agent The first thing that needs to be remembered is No CN = no MF. Nourry recruited Marti and the board rubber stamped it. Taking the other points in order. Retexo might not be working in football in the boot room sense, but for me it still counts. Yes, he's young, but our last couple of CEOs were not and still managed to fuck things up. Thirdly, Nourry is not the DoF and never claimed to be. Our business is overseen by a gang of four who take collective responsibility for market decisions. The four include Marti and Xavi. And no one was complaining about the lack of information last season when things were going well. Regarding the leak. To do that, Nourry would a) have to be far more stupid than he is and b) have a cast iron motive. Which would be what, exactly? I think it far more likely that someone else placed the story to deliberately discredit him or advance their, or their client's, own agenda. Either way, it's worked a treat. Agents, for example, are always spinning to journos, and of course sections of the media have had their cages rattled by the sealed lips at LR. LFW (Clive) has made no secret of the size of the axe he's grinding. Or it could simply have been an in joke at Nourry's expense: whoever did it would obviously have known that CN was associated with the site. It's interesting that the focus has shifted from Marti to Christian, who is inexperienced and has overseen mistakes. But Marti coaches the first team, is responsible for their tactics and has a hand in recruitment.Let's see how it all plays out.... Agreed. Plus there's a few new LFW posters who've popped up to chip in; calling for SGallen in and Nourry out etc. The other possibility is it's Vignal or his agent who released this to L'Equipe to get him some exposure |
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Post by surreychad on Nov 15, 2024 9:16:09 GMT
Surely Nourry couldn’t be that stupid as to leak stories like this to an old site of his? check out earlier in thread 😉 are you sure he is still part of the business? |
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Post by hubble on Nov 15, 2024 11:15:23 GMT
I really don't think you can put this down to LFW having 'an axe to grind'. The bald facts are: A) Nourry has no experience of working in football (running football websites doesn't count). B) He's incredibly young and therefore not only completely inexperienced in the world of football, but in running an operation of the size and cultural importance of QPR. C) He is not only the CEO, he's also - although this isn't exactly clarified - the de facto DoF - a position which he is fundamentally unqualified for. Added to this: D) His minimal communication style creates an information vacuum which only leads to fan dissatisfaction and constant and destabilising speculation. This is a sign of what point B) indicates. Now of course, had the new players turned out to be any good (some of them have, so he's done sort of ok there), and had we not had a terrible injury list (he has to take some blame there with his failure to deal with the Ben Williams situation), then we wouldn't be having this conversation. But the fact is QPR languish at the foot of the table, with the worst form record in the entire EFL. And yet we have a clearly capable manager who hasn't managed to deal with these issues (not sure who could), leading to his own position looking very vulnerable. And then, when you have a football news site - that was founded by Nourry - publishing stories about someone be lined up to replace Marti - it all really starts to stink.
What has any of the above got to do with LFW having an axe to grind? Surely the converse is true: LFW posters are (quite rightly) deeply concerned about how our club is being run, what's happeing behind the scenes, and who is in charge. That's the picture as I see it.
The first thing that needs to be remembered is No CN = no MF. Nourry recruited Marti and the board rubber stamped it. Taking the other points in order. Retexo might not be working in football in the boot room sense, but for me it still counts. Yes, he's young, but our last couple of CEOs were not and still managed to fuck things up. Thirdly, Nourry is not the DoF and never claimed to be. Our business is overseen by a gang of four who take collective responsibility for market decisions. The four include Marti and Xavi. And no one was complaining about the lack of information last season when things were going well. Regarding the leak. To do that, Nourry would a) have to be far more stupid than he is and b) have a cast iron motive. Which would be what, exactly? I think it far more likely that someone else placed the story to deliberately discredit him or advance their, or their client's, own agenda. Either way, it's worked a treat. Agents, for example, are always spinning to journos, and of course sections of the media have had their cages rattled by the sealed lips at LR. LFW (Clive) has made no secret of the size of the axe he's grinding. Or it could simply have been an in joke at Nourry's expense: whoever did it would obviously have known that CN was associated with the site. It's interesting that the focus has shifted from Marti to Christian, who is inexperienced and has overseen mistakes. But Marti coaches the first team, is responsible for their tactics and has a hand in recruitment.Let's see how it all plays out.... "No CN = no MF. Nourry recruited Marti and the board rubber stamped it."
Marti Cifuentes (MC) was first lined up as a replacement when Les was still in charge, but at the time we would have had to pay too much compensation. So that can't be chalked up to Nourry.
"Retexo might not be working in football in the boot room sense, but for me it still counts."
A very moot point.
Bottom line: having a 26 year old running your club, no matter how smart he might be, is a highly risky strategy.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 15, 2024 11:29:06 GMT
Marti Cifuentes (M C) was first lined up as a replacement when Les was still in charge, but at the time we would have had to pay too much compensation. So that can't be chalked up to Nourry. Hoos hired Nourry to do the detailed audit in the summer of last year. It was at that stage that Nourry put Marti's name forward as a replacement for Ainsworth. Followed then by Hoos moving upstairs in January and Nourry is hired as CEO. |
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Post by hubble on Nov 15, 2024 12:15:58 GMT
Marti Cifuentes (M C) was first lined up as a replacement when Les was still in charge, but at the time we would have had to pay too much compensation. So that can't be chalked up to Nourry. Hoos hired Nourry to do the detailed audit in the summer of last year. It was at that stage that Nourry put Marti's name forward as a replacement for Ainsworth. Followed then by Hoos moving upstairs in January and Nourry is hired as CEO. That's not my understanding, Stan. IIRC, Cifuentes was first indentified before we signed Beale - i.e. long before Nourry was involved.
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Post by 1qprdk on Nov 15, 2024 12:26:55 GMT
Hoos hired Nourry to do the detailed audit in the summer of last year. It was at that stage that Nourry put Marti's name forward as a replacement for Ainsworth. Followed then by Hoos moving upstairs in January and Nourry is hired as CEO. That's not my understanding, Stan. IIRC, Cifuentes was first indentified before we signed Beale - i.e. long before Nourry was involved.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 15, 2024 12:28:54 GMT
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Post by hubble on Nov 15, 2024 12:45:57 GMT
This (poorly translated by google) is from Aftonbladet at time Marti was appointed:
"The English club sacked Gareth Ainsworth after Saturday's loss against Leicester - the team's ninth straight game without victory.
Cifuentes was already in December up for the coaching job in QPR, but then the London club chose to reject the 41-year-old. Now everything is basically ready and Cifuentes is expected to go to London tomorrow if the last details fall on hold."
That means December 2022 - i.e. when they appointed Critchley.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 15, 2024 13:12:51 GMT
This (poorly translated by google) is from Aftonbladet at time Marti was appointed: "The English club sacked Gareth Ainsworth after Saturday's loss against Leicester - the team's ninth straight game without victory.
Cifuentes was already in December up for the coaching job in QPR, but then the London club chose to reject the 41-year-old. Now everything is basically ready and Cifuentes is expected to go to London tomorrow if the last details fall on hold." That means December 2022 - i.e. when they appointed Critchley. Good find 😀. It certainly seems he was previously on the club's radar, sure. Although there does seem to be conflicting reports around it all |
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Post by systemsguy on Nov 15, 2024 13:37:23 GMT
The other possibility is that this is Vignal or his agent The first thing that needs to be remembered is No CN = no MF. Nourry recruited Marti and the board rubber stamped it. Taking the other points in order. Retexo might not be working in football in the boot room sense, but for me it still counts. Yes, he's young, but our last couple of CEOs were not and still managed to fuck things up. Thirdly, Nourry is not the DoF and never claimed to be. Our business is overseen by a gang of four who take collective responsibility for market decisions. The four include Marti and Xavi. And no one was complaining about the lack of information last season when things were going well. Regarding the leak. To do that, Nourry would a) have to be far more stupid than he is and b) have a cast iron motive. Which would be what, exactly? I think it far more likely that someone else placed the story to deliberately discredit him or advance their, or their client's, own agenda. Either way, it's worked a treat. Agents, for example, are always spinning to journos, and of course sections of the media have had their cages rattled by the sealed lips at LR. LFW (Clive) has made no secret of the size of the axe he's grinding. Or it could simply have been an in joke at Nourry's expense: whoever did it would obviously have known that CN was associated with the site. It's interesting that the focus has shifted from Marti to Christian, who is inexperienced and has overseen mistakes. But Marti coaches the first team, is responsible for their tactics and has a hand in recruitment.Let's see how it all plays out.... Agreed. Plus there's a few new LFW posters who've popped up to chip in; calling for SGallen in and Nourry out etc. The other possibility is it's Vignal or his agent who released this to L'Equipe to get him some exposure Afternoon gents... Popped by to see if anyone's been fired or hired by Cirque Du QPR this week... This post cheered me up no end seeing Clive's little minions seemingly doing his bidding. SGallen was very vocal about the appointment of both Nourry and Cifuentes last season saying how ridiculous it was hiring a 26 yo CEO and novice championship manager... His saving grace I suppose was saying sign a striker ad nauseam on the WLS pod cast... They did and he's turned out to be a Pelicori, there's one for the fans to remember, Paladini predicted he would be our 20 goals a season saviour.. Have a good weekend guys, suns shining and QPR are not playing (losing)... |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 15, 2024 13:42:46 GMT
Think you’re mixing up S and K. Love the Cirque du QPR😁
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Post by systemsguy on Nov 15, 2024 13:52:57 GMT
Think you’re mixing up S and K. Love the Cirque du QPR😁 Quite right Alan .. sorry I don't bother much with LFW these days... |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Nov 15, 2024 14:00:40 GMT
If you get Gallen in as DoF you may as well get Holloway (or Ainsworth) back as manager. It would be going round in circles. No one can be happy with how the season has gone but anyone arguing we go back to a 1990s set up in the 2020s would have a hard job convincing me that it would take the club forward.
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