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Post by awin on Mar 25, 2024 14:41:28 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 25, 2024 15:31:49 GMT
Don’t be sorry, the PA system is shite so no fucker heard it clearly anyway.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 25, 2024 15:32:30 GMT
Can’t see a problem, since time began this country has been Muslim, 😉 |
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Post by Rangers77 on Mar 25, 2024 20:14:57 GMT
No fucker can hear it thank goodness. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 25, 2024 20:36:31 GMT
Well it begs the obvious question: Do they do the same thing to mark other religious days? If not, why not? |
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Post by Rangers77 on Mar 25, 2024 20:49:50 GMT
Well it begs the obvious question: Do they do the same thing to mark other religious days? If not, why not? Easter is only an occasion to play a game. They're not interested in being seen to suck up to Christians, Hindus or Jews. |
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Post by Bill on Mar 25, 2024 21:31:27 GMT
Billy Graham and now this.
WTF
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 25, 2024 22:06:10 GMT
Billy Graham and now this. WTF 😁 |
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Post by hubble on Mar 26, 2024 7:56:52 GMT
What was the final result, anyway?
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Post by 2Loftus on Mar 26, 2024 10:14:53 GMT
Well, there is a large Muslim community in the area, so why not? There's also a large Irish community in the area - I'm sure if Catholics wanted to use the stadium for a Christian festival, the club would be up for it. As well Hindus, Jews, Atheists, Humanists, Druids or advocates of the Flying Spaghetti Monster... It's good community outreach and probably brings in a small amount of revenue. Live and let live.  |
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Post by Corbray on Mar 26, 2024 11:20:36 GMT
not really fussed about it tbh, probably brought in some revenue and it's something for the community. we need to bring locals into supporting the club and if things like this gets a few of them on board then fair enough.
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 26, 2024 11:47:35 GMT
Doesn't make a jot of difference to my life so crack on.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Mar 26, 2024 11:53:45 GMT
Easy to say it’s no big deal but if you live in one of the flats/houses behind Ellerslie you might think it is. It would be unreasonable for those living there to take issue with the noise/congestion generated by a football match, given they chose to live right next to a football stadium. But having to listen to Allahu Akbar being belted out from a tannoy in between home games is a bit much. As Stan said, do we cater for other religions too? If we don’t then the club might find themselves in an awkward position.
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Post by 2Loftus on Mar 26, 2024 11:57:56 GMT
Easy to say it’s no big deal but if you live in one of the flats/houses behind Ellerslie you might think it is. It would be unreasonable for those living there to take issue with the noise/congestion generated by a football match, given they chose to live right next to a football stadium. But having to listen to Allahu Akbar being belted out from a tannoy in between home games is a bit much. As Stan said, do we cater for other religions too? If we don’t then the club might find themselves in an awkward position. Think it's just a one-off event on 3rd April... |
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Post by awin on Mar 26, 2024 12:12:04 GMT
Easy to say it’s no big deal but if you live in one of the flats/houses behind Ellerslie you might think it is. It would be unreasonable for those living there to take issue with the noise/congestion generated by a football match, given they chose to live right next to a football stadium. But having to listen to Allahu Akbar being belted out from a tannoy in between home games is a bit much. As Stan said, do we cater for other religions too? If we don’t then the club might find themselves in an awkward position. It’s also the fact islamism is becoming political and interfering with British governance. Really don’t think football needs to get embroiled in religious politics. |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Mar 26, 2024 12:41:01 GMT
Easy to say it’s no big deal but if you live in one of the flats/houses behind Ellerslie you might think it is. It would be unreasonable for those living there to take issue with the noise/congestion generated by a football match, given they chose to live right next to a football stadium. But having to listen to Allahu Akbar being belted out from a tannoy in between home games is a bit much. As Stan said, do we cater for other religions too? If we don’t then the club might find themselves in an awkward position. Think it's just a one-off event on 3rd April... For now. What if a big deal is made by other religious groups that the club is displaying favouritism, it would need to be addressed by allowing others to use the ground too. Say yes to one you have to say yes to all. Let’s face it, in this day and age, someone’s bound to be offended. Far simpler to keep the club and religion separate in the first place instead of falling over themselves trying to be seen to be inclusive. Utter load of bollox, just stick to football. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 26, 2024 12:50:01 GMT
Uk is a Christian nation. In Muslim countries it can be very dangerous to be open and Christian.
So why we bending over backwards embracing Islam?
They wouldn’t like it other way round.
I’m not religious but fuck me way country is going we will be Islamic in20 years.
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Post by West Acton on Mar 26, 2024 13:00:55 GMT
I’m Christian who believe it or not still attends church when I can.
Honest opinion is who cares. Don’t see complaints when for Christmas period at home games it’s festive songs, Jude dressed as Santa and Christmas family funzone for couple of games. We have Muslim players christen players probably a few atheist ones so live and let live.
I’ve seen the club do tweets wishing different fan groups well for Hanukah, Navratri, Ramadan and Christmas etc
Feels like society at the moment is totally fixated on division and turning each other against each other. I refuse to be part of this political game and will judge people on how I find them and how they behave towards me regardless of colour, gender, faith or sexual preference etc.
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Post by 2Loftus on Mar 26, 2024 13:12:02 GMT
It’s also the fact islamism is becoming political and interfering with British governance. Really don’t think football needs to get embroiled in religious politics. Islamism interfering in British politics? Is 'interfering' the right word? Certainly Muslims are a very sizeable minority across the UK and deserve representation. Not sure what the problem is. As for football getting 'embroiled' in religious politics, again, I don't see it. In this case, QPR is simply renting out a facility to members of its local community. It fosters good relations - and I'm sure is welcomed by our Muslim players. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Mar 26, 2024 13:36:34 GMT
It’s also the fact islamism is becoming political and interfering with British governance. Really don’t think football needs to get embroiled in religious politics. Islamism interfering in British politics? Is 'interfering' the right word? Certainly Muslims are a very sizeable minority across the UK and deserve representation. Not sure what the problem is. As for football getting 'embroiled' in religious politics, again, I don't see it. In this case, QPR is simply renting out a facility to members of its local community. It fosters good relations - and I'm sure is welcomed by our Muslim players. If it's only renting out a facility, to 200 people, why is it telling the world that it is doing that? Telling the world is far more important to the club than renting it out. It's performative DIE, nothing more. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 26, 2024 14:46:57 GMT
Easy to say it’s no big deal but if you live in one of the flats/houses behind Ellerslie you might think it is Hence why I wrote ‘my life’ Can’t speak for the rest of the world, sorry. We’re an inclusive club. Absolutely no issue. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 26, 2024 14:52:42 GMT
Ok so it is harmless what is done. But there is a bigger picture imo. We seem to be embracing Islam more,praying of tower bridge etc etc.
Now yes lot of Muslims are quiet just want to get on with life. But there’s a big vocal lot who basically don’t like us and our way of life and yes want to change us and it. Now what is harmless gestures just emboldened this lot. Cos if u keep giving human nature is to keep taking. So the more we give the loons get more powerful. Doesn’t help with a lot of immigrants coming here at e also Muslim. Sooner or later these loons will take over councils etc and then start looking at how they want us to live.
Remember they trying to change us, not interested in embracing our culture.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 26, 2024 14:58:53 GMT
Fanbase overwhelmingly white, male, middle aged and probably a few more stereotypes on top. Nothing wrong with those people before anyone jumps down my throat as they have been the lifeblood of the club. But if we can make a few more people feel included, perhaps from different walks of life, not only is that positive in itself it might also help grow the fanbase. Personally don't get why anyone would feel threatened.
As for praying, to get 3 points on Friday I will happily pray to which every deity going....
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Post by awin on Mar 26, 2024 15:08:51 GMT
Islam is not an inclusive religion, it rejects at its core British values. Obviously we seek inclusivity but equally that should not be at the cost of making others feel alienated.
Once again I say football IS a religion and I feel shouldnt weigh in on theastic issues.
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 26, 2024 15:15:23 GMT
I'm sure if Catholics wanted to use the stadium for a Christian festival, the club would be up for it. being the operative word here. Was this a QPR in the community initiative or a 'Ramadan Tent Project' initiative? That's not clear in the club's article. If it's a club initiative then it can end up becoming divisive if favouritism is shown towards one religion over another, which is a problem because the intention of being "inclusive" ends up being "divisive". If it's a Ramadan Tent Project initiative in which they reached out to the club for permission to use the stadium then I have no issue with that because every other religious group would be free to do the same. The word of caution is that religion and politics have traditionally been kept out of sport and for good reason. But no longer perhaps; and what kind of precedent does this therefore set? |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 26, 2024 15:19:59 GMT
Islam is not an inclusive religion, it rejects at its core British values. Obviously we seek inclusivity but equally that should not be at the cost of making others feel alienated. Once again I say football IS a religion and I feel shouldnt weigh in on theastic issues. Am not a fan of extreme Islam. But Christianity is hardly that inclusive in Old Testament form. "British values" - not much agreement now on what that means. I read above that we are a Christian country but the number of people who now go to church is tiny. In the 70s "British values" probably would have included throwing bananas at black players unfortunately. Times (and the country) they are a changing, sometimes for bad, sometimes for good. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 26, 2024 15:21:47 GMT
Next month club having a lgbt face painting contest followed by a disco
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 26, 2024 16:08:35 GMT
Next month club having a lgbt face painting contest followed by a disco Great! Sounds like a good initiative. Hope no one feels too threatened! |
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Post by 2Loftus on Mar 26, 2024 16:54:06 GMT
All religions have factions, hard-liners, bigots and intolerance - Islam is not unique in that. Historically Christianity has been as bad, if not very much worse, in its dealings with non-Christians.
I've looked up the Ramadam Tent Project and Open Iftar
The Ramadan Tent Project organises the annual Ramadan Festival, which is a collection of artistic, cultural, creative events to inspire and engage audiences from all backgrounds, in addition to the UK’s largest community event in Ramadan, Open Iftar.
Open Iftar is the UK’s largest community event in Ramadan. It invites people from all faiths, and no faith, from all walks of life to share 'breakfast' as the sun goes down.
Its aim is to feed those in need, to increase community harmony, to soften hearts and minds, and turn strangers into friends. ‘Iftar’ is the meal that is prepared and offered to Muslims observing Ramadan when breaking their fast.
Anything that promotes a bit of mutual respect and understanding has to be a good thing.
Doesn't it?
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 26, 2024 17:05:53 GMT
Ok so it is harmless what is done. But there is a bigger picture imo. We seem to be embracing Islam more,praying of tower bridge etc etc. Now yes lot of Muslims are quiet just want to get on with life. But there’s a big vocal lot who basically don’t like us and our way of life and yes want to change us and it. Now what is harmless gestures just emboldened this lot. Cos if u keep giving human nature is to keep taking. So the more we give the loons get more powerful. Doesn’t help with a lot of immigrants coming here at e also Muslim. Sooner or later these loons will take over councils etc and then start looking at how they want us to live. Remember they trying to change us, not interested in embracing our culture. You have just described High Wycombe. The older generations are, as you say, “quiet and just want to get on with life” - not necessarily interested in integrating but happily co-exist. It’s the younger ones who have a problem. |
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