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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 20, 2024 22:03:54 GMT
I just think it’s total media hype that this is a special generation. Very average team.
Pickford or Seaman?
Trippier or Ashley Cole?
The Palace lad or Ferdinand?
Declan Rice over Beckham, Lampard or Gerrrard?
Foden over Sheringham?
Kanye over Shearer (ok concede that one but not by much)
Watkins over Owen?
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Post by acricketer on Jun 20, 2024 22:08:46 GMT
Slovenia must be licking their lips and can't wait to take on Southgate's plucky minnows.
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Post by James1979 on Jun 20, 2024 22:28:58 GMT
I just think it’s total media hype that this is a special generation. Very average team. Pickford or Seaman? Trippier or Ashley Cole? The Palace lad or Ferdinand? Declan Rice over Beckham, Lampard or Gerrrard? Foden over Sheringham? Kanye over Shearer (ok concede that one but not by much) Watkins over Owen? Pickford has never let England down to be fair. I think Ferdinand and Sol Campbell are best centre back combination for England in my lifetime. The difference is Bellingham and the options we have in that front 3 behind Kane. We have never had anything like this before.
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Post by hubble on Jun 20, 2024 22:37:31 GMT
Did you hear what he said afterwards about the problem being there's no natural replacement for Kalvin Phillips? I couldn't quite believe what I was hearing. If that's where Safegate's head's at, it's even worse than I thought.
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Post by James1979 on Jun 20, 2024 23:23:31 GMT
Did you hear what he said afterwards about the problem being there's no natural replacement for Kalvin Phillips? I couldn't quite believe what I was hearing. If that's where Safegate's head's at, it's even worse than I thought. Amazing wasn’t it. To admit he was experimenting with a right back in central midfield. The only plus was he seemed to at least admit It wasn’t working. I hate the “quarter back” role concept. It failed with Beckham. It failed with Rooney and it failed with TAA. As Mourinho said: Jose Mourinho on Wayne Rooney in midfield: "You can tell me his pass is amazing but my pass is amazing too without pressure."
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 21, 2024 5:53:47 GMT
Experimenting in a big tournament - how unprofessional does it get? ‘Missing’ an over rated workhorse like Phillips says it all for me about Southgate.
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Post by West Acton on Jun 21, 2024 6:01:14 GMT
On reflection we currently do not have any actual Work Class players. We have some very talented good players such as Kane, Saka and Foden but true World Class possibly at a push Bellingham (or he’s potentially that level)
Manager has questions to ask but so do the players.
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Post by James1979 on Jun 21, 2024 6:28:16 GMT
On reflection we currently do not have any actual Work Class players. We have some very talented good players such as Kane, Saka and Foden but true World Class possibly at a push Bellingham (or he’s potentially that level) Manager has questions to ask but so do the players. Not sure I agree with that. Walker and Foden were/are integral part of team that has been dominate force in world football. They may have not won as many champions leagues but they’ve been best side. Kane - top goal scorer in England, Germany, World Cup. Top goal scorer for England of all time. Bellingham voted best player in La Liga. So I’d say 4 players who have done it on world stage and proved to be right up there. I think every side in this competition would have them in their side. If they’re not performing it’s down to Southgate. Rice and Saka - agree with them as to be honest they’ve only really proved in our own domestic league. We think they are but maybe they’re not quite there.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jun 21, 2024 8:03:15 GMT
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Post by Corbray on Jun 21, 2024 8:10:18 GMT
On reflection we currently do not have any actual Work Class players. We have some very talented good players such as Kane, Saka and Foden but true World Class possibly at a push Bellingham (or he’s potentially that level) Manager has questions to ask but so do the players. if you base world class on a player's ability to get into any side in the world then we arguably have a few that fit that mould. kane, saka, walker, rice, foden and bellingham are all among the best in their positions. this team should be doing a lot better than we actually are but we look awful and even worse, look lucky to actually hold on. sloppy, unorganized, nervous, no cohesion and a noticeable lack of concentration. the team needs some real enthusiasm and fight put into it but i strongly doubt gareth will be bold enough to make big changes. why can't the likes of gordon, wharton and others start? because they're young and not big names? guehi has been out best player so far and he plays for palace. everyone in the squad are top class players, it's not like when we (QPR) are going through a rough patch and we start suggesting throwing some 18 year old in who's only experience of mens football is a loan to hampton and richmond. gareth must make sweeping changes across the board. either move to a back 5 and look to press and hit teams on the counter which we've seen success with in the past or drop the 4231 and move to a more organized 433.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 21, 2024 9:06:08 GMT
The one positive I take from last night was that it was SO bad that even a very conservative manager like Southgate (and just about every England manager we have ever had has been deeply risk averse) will realise he has to try something radically different. Wouldn't claim to know what that is but if you think Trent Alexander Arnold is the solution in central midfield I humbly suggest you are asking the wrong question. To me its the central midfield that looks incredibly weak. Gallagher as terrible as his man bun. Sadly seeing Eze again reminded me of his limitations and he did nothing to advance his cause. Maybe play Foden centrally as he isn't a winger and might stiffen the centre? But doesn't solve the problem that other than Declan Rice we don't seem to have a single player in the middle of the park who wants to put in a tackle.
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 21, 2024 9:12:47 GMT
It's frustrating as you have the whole qualifying stages to work out best teams, formations etc. Should be good to go for the actual tournament.
Clearly not working with TAA in the middle. Why not stick him left back? Trippier offers nothing going forward and not great at the back. At least TAA might overlap or try and cross with a left foot. Watching Trippier at LB is frustrating. I am right footed, but played LM or LB all my career so surely a professional footballer can pass forward using both feet, rather than just backwards with his right.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 21, 2024 9:21:48 GMT
The one positive I take from last night was that it was SO bad that even a very conservative manager like Southgate (and just about every England manager we have ever had has been deeply risk averse) will realise he has to try something radically different. Wouldn't claim to know what that is but if you think Trent Alexander Arnold is the solution in central midfield I humbly suggest you are asking the wrong question. To me its the central midfield that looks incredibly weak. Gallagher as terrible as his man bun. Sadly seeing Eze again reminded me of his limitations and he did nothing to advance his cause. Maybe play Foden centrally as he isn't a winger and might stiffen the centre? But doesn't solve the problem that other than Declan Rice we don't seem to have a single player in the middle of the park who wants to put in a tackle. thing is with sticking foden in the middle is that it means you have to drop either saka and play with 2 AMs or force bellingham onto the left. personally i feel like if we're to do anything this tournament it hinges on our ability to get the best out of bellingham and given foden's track record with england it makes more sense to drop him to the bench. agree fully with TAA though, it just hasn't worked and gallagher isn't the answer. good player to bring on for the final ten minutes when legs are needed for closing out the game but no way should he be a starter based on what we've seen. wharton needs to be given the nod, he keeps it simple and is a good wall infront of the defence.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Jun 21, 2024 9:31:52 GMT
That was terrible. But then for Southgate to say he’s experimenting with a right back in central midfield in a major tournament…..speechless. The only positive is that experiment must now be over. The positive is he’s acknowledged the experiment isn’t working. I genuinely believe there will be some serious discussions within the England camp and he’ll take on board some of the points the players are likely to make to him. Time will tell though and if we put in another lacklustre performance next game, you’d have to seriously doubt our chances of making it to the quarter final, let alone the final. Personally I’d ditch Kane. He offers very little now, unless he’s in the 6 yard box with the ball at his feet. Even Dykes could scored that goal yesterday. Well possibly😆
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 21, 2024 9:36:42 GMT
i strongly doubt gareth will be bold enough to make big changes. It's not lack of courage, it's lack of tactical nous.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 21, 2024 9:39:39 GMT
...we scraped through those first two games in spite of him, not because of him.
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Post by hubble on Jun 21, 2024 11:57:00 GMT
The fact that Southgate is still basing his gameplan on the bloody 'double pivot' is deeply concerning. It shows extremely limited thinking and lack of flexibility. The fact that he persisted with TAA after the first game emphasises his rigidity. Or more like, rabbit in the headlights, because that's what he looks like.
We've easiy got the players to beat most teams in the Euros, but having watched most games, as it stands, and unless some dramatic changes are made, I doubt we could, or will, beat Spain, France or Germany.
Why bring Wharton or Palmer if you're not going to play them. Last night was the perfect opportunity to blood them, but instead, he goes for the same starting line-up that was abject, bar the first 20 mins, v Serbia, and then when it's clearly not working, he picks the utility player Gallagher to replace TAA. So uninspired. I think Watkins was the right call, but not Eze. What will it take for him to give Palmer a chance? Or Wharton?
And then there's that ludicrous gamble that Shaw might be fit. The guy's a fucking joke. League 1 manager level at best. Imagine if Marti had the same players.
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Post by lymehoop on Jun 21, 2024 12:01:26 GMT
hubble excellent post. 100% concur, saves me ranting over the useless tosser Southgate
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Post by hubble on Jun 21, 2024 12:01:57 GMT
Eliminated after the 2nd group stage without losing a game.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Jun 21, 2024 14:00:00 GMT
Here’s an idea. Start taking a sip of your beer every time England pass backwards. You’ll be so ratted by the final whistle you won’t give a fuck how shite we were.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 21, 2024 15:23:56 GMT
The one positive I take from last night was that it was SO bad that even a very conservative manager like Southgate (and just about every England manager we have ever had has been deeply risk averse) will realise he has to try something radically different. Wouldn't claim to know what that is but if you think Trent Alexander Arnold is the solution in central midfield I humbly suggest you are asking the wrong question. To me it’s the central midfield that looks incredibly weak. Gallagher as terrible as his man bun. Sadly seeing Eze again reminded me of his limitations and he did nothing to advance his cause. Maybe play Foden centrally as he isn't a winger and might stiffen the centre? But doesn't solve the problem that other than Declan Rice we don't seem to have a single player in the middle of the park who wants to put in a tackle. thing is with sticking foden in the middle is that it means you have to drop either saka and play with 2 AMs or force bellingham onto the left. personally i feel like if we're to do anything this tournament it hinges on our ability to get the best out of bellingham and given foden's track record with england it makes more sense to drop him to the bench. agree fully with TAA though, it just hasn't worked and gallagher isn't the answer. good player to bring on for the final ten minutes when legs are needed for closing out the game but no way should he be a starter based on what we've seen. wharton needs to be given the nod, he keeps it simple and is a good wall infront of the defence. Last night’s result has put paid to getting best out of Bellingham. A win and he’d have been rested. Now he’ll be flogged to death. So will Walker, Saka, Stones etc - can’t afford squad rotation now so clever tournament management is out of the window. Amateur hour.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jun 21, 2024 16:22:52 GMT
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Post by BrightonR on Jun 21, 2024 17:30:51 GMT
Just saw a post on twitter saying Gareth Southgate is so safety minded he probably wears a seatbelt on the toilet! 😂
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Post by Shania on Jun 21, 2024 17:30:52 GMT
What a goal from Baumgartner for Austria. Sublime!
Poland are out of the tournament. Sad for them and especially sad for the great Lewandowski.
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Post by The General on Jun 21, 2024 17:59:12 GMT
Southgate is clearly a defensive coach
4-5-1 would be better than this shit
Saka down one wing Gordon down the other
Side has no pace at all
If Harry came over the half way line fine him
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Post by The General on Jun 21, 2024 18:03:30 GMT
way more passionate about QPR over england too but that being said if i had to choose between winning the euros or promotion next season i'd probably go euros lol. would be an almighty feeling for the whole country. England over Rangers promoted are you sure Corbs where you loyalty you only have 5000 posts mate 🤣🤣
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Post by acricketer on Jun 21, 2024 18:45:12 GMT
Rangers have won many things in my lifetime. England only once!
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Post by Shania on Jun 21, 2024 19:17:34 GMT
France starting well against Holland.
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Post by acricketer on Jun 21, 2024 19:29:02 GMT
Another thing about the crap performances means the also-rans in the squad won't get a look in because we need to scrape another draw.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 21, 2024 20:30:51 GMT
way more passionate about QPR over england too but that being said if i had to choose between winning the euros or promotion next season i'd probably go euros lol. would be an almighty feeling for the whole country. England over Rangers promoted are you sure Corbs where you loyalty you only have 5000 posts mate 🤣🤣 rangers promoted next season* england haven't won anything since 66 and the euro final still leaves a bad taste in my mouth lol. i know that rangers will likely be promoted a few times in my lifetime but rangers winning a cup is a different matter. now if i had to choose between us winning the FA cup or england winning the euros it'd be the FA cup every time.
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