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Post by MattyRangers on Sept 18, 2024 6:44:37 GMT
Won't be giving him stick of course but I really am thinking we have a bit of a dud on our hands. Half reminds me of Conor Washington lol
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Post by West Acton on Sept 18, 2024 7:19:40 GMT
If you put Dykes on the back of his shirt and put that performance in last night there would be uproar. Not in the game at all. No link or hold up play, no closing down, no runs behind no challenging for the ball.
Early days so gets fair crack of the whip but previous arguments have been if your are not going score then at least bring something else to the table to contribute; thus far the table is bare.
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Post by Corbray on Sept 18, 2024 7:33:04 GMT
he's not the kind of player to hold up the ball or rough players up imo. he's a finisher, sort of guy who needs balls to run onto and for our other attacking players to work the ball to him.
i think he'll come good eventually once everyone settles in.
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 18, 2024 7:33:33 GMT
Seems like the new boy is getting some stick from our fans after a goaless start with us. I like him and I think he will score a few goals for us. By the way we play and how he is playing in that team dictates that he not too many chances are created by us. Our midfield is an issue as Varane aside no one moves the ball quickly and our wide players put very few quality balls in the box. I watched a few clips of him at previous teams and his movement was what got him most of his goals with good quick through balls for him to run on to. Dembele in the number 10 role and Chair cutting in should help and I would hope he then goes on a run. What's to like 73? He hasn't done anything in any appearance. Not a thing. I wish he would. I don't want to dislike him and want him to come good, but I've seen nothing. Set aside skill, I've seen no heart, no urgency, no passion, just him plodding about the pitch with a blank expression on his face. |
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Post by hubble on Sept 18, 2024 7:47:26 GMT
Seems like the new boy is getting some stick from our fans after a goaless start with us. I like him and I think he will score a few goals for us. By the way we play and how he is playing in that team dictates that he not too many chances are created by us. Our midfield is an issue as Varane aside no one moves the ball quickly and our wide players put very few quality balls in the box. I watched a few clips of him at previous teams and his movement was what got him most of his goals with good quick through balls for him to run on to. Dembele in the number 10 role and Chair cutting in should help and I would hope he then goes on a run. Genuine question: what have you seen that gives you any faith whatsoever that he can score goals? I've watched every game this season, either online or at the ground, and so far I've seen absolutely nothing from him. His press is weak, he doesn't tackle, his positioning is poor, and he can't finish, either with his head or his feet. So all I've got to go on is the fact that he was apparently decent in the past. I'd love to see some sign, a hint, that he's got what it takes. A cheeky back flick, a goal-bound shot, setting up someone else to score.... But so far.... nada.
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Post by MattyRangers on Sept 18, 2024 8:10:39 GMT
he's not the kind of player to hold up the ball or rough players up imo. he's a finisher, sort of guy who needs balls to run onto and for our other attacking players to work the ball to him. i think he'll come good eventually once everyone settles in. Not a very good 1 from what I have seen lol Andersen put a beautiful ball into him late on yday & he fluffed the header. Plus the 2/3 he duffed v Plymouth. |
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Žan Celar
Sept 18, 2024 8:30:25 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Sept 18, 2024 8:30:25 GMT
i think he'll come good eventually once everyone settles in. this is the Armstrong argument |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 18, 2024 8:56:43 GMT
Seems like the new boy is getting some stick from our fans after a goaless start with us. I like him and I think he will score a few goals for us. By the way we play and how he is playing in that team dictates that he not too many chances are created by us. Our midfield is an issue as Varane aside no one moves the ball quickly and our wide players put very few quality balls in the box. I watched a few clips of him at previous teams and his movement was what got him most of his goals with good quick through balls for him to run on to. Dembele in the number 10 role and Chair cutting in should help and I would hope he then goes on a run. Frey got tons of stick too, remember? Fans were impatient with him and judged him harshly and early. He'd basically been written off by pre-season! But now he's scored a few, they're suddenly coming round to him. Both Frey and Celar both came with a decent pedigree in Europe, which apparently didn't/doesn't count for much as the excuse given was that means fuck all because they are "unproven in the championship". Who can say, hand on heart, that Celar won't come good, in the way Frey is beginning to show signs of doing? Or even that it'll be Frey who gets a dip in form, and Celar comes more to the fore. We're just five games into the season, so it really is a case of reserving judgment IMO. |
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Žan Celar
Sept 18, 2024 9:09:55 GMT
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 18, 2024 9:09:55 GMT
What concerns me about Celar is the lack of strikers instinct. Doesn't get into the right areas, doesn't seem to make intelligent runs, seems to unnecessarily run offside from time to time. Form is one thing, but lack of basics shouldn't really be an issue for an international player that we've spent a bit of money on.
Frey is a totally different argument. I think a lot of fans (myself included) wrote him off as he didn't seem to be mobile enough for this level of football. Of course, his mobility is still a bit of a concern (although improved this season), but I'd personally not give him enough credit for how good a footballer he is. He's shown this season that he's got great feet and can finish.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Sept 18, 2024 9:17:52 GMT
Anonymous performance but he was completely isolated. The little nip was 30 yards away in one direction getting bundled off the ball and Smyth was 30 yards away on the other side running down his usual blind alleys. Palace were pressing really aggressively. I don't know why we didn't try some balls over the top for him to run on to, at least it would have challenged their press?
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 18, 2024 9:37:50 GMT
So so touch, always seems to hang away from a challenge, zero presence, as of now absolutely fucking useless.
Watched him closely for most of the 90 last night. Zero threat. being charitable I'd give him 5/10 for off the ball work.
I'm sorry but waiting for some imaginary dream line up wont help if you look that out of place on the park.
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Post by hubble on Sept 18, 2024 9:44:57 GMT
He's like a combination of the worst aspects of Dykes and Armstrong. Dykestrong. The question is: how long will we have to wait for Dykestrong's goal to come along? Maybe we should put it in a song? He's weak, bing bong, they got this one Pete Tong, Dykestrong, Dykestrong.
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Žan Celar
Sept 18, 2024 10:31:35 GMT
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Post by Bill on Sept 18, 2024 10:31:35 GMT
Needs to step up.
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Post by acricketer on Sept 18, 2024 10:33:44 GMT
We should merge threads to the OUFS thread. Our Useless Fucking Strikers.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 18, 2024 12:27:59 GMT
I watched a few clips of him at previous teams and his movement was what got him most of his goals with good quick through balls for him to run on to.he's not the kind of player to hold up the ball or rough players up imo. he's a finisher, sort of guy who needs balls to run onto and for our other attacking players to work the ball to him.I don't know why we didn't try some balls over the top for him to run on to, at least it would have challenged their press? Ok, so that's three of us (in just the last page) who have all made the same point basically. And yet we're not doing it, IOW playing to his strengths, as a striker. (And the Frey comparison is valid in that he too was judged prematurely.) |
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Žan Celar
Sept 18, 2024 12:49:24 GMT
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Post by Rexpat on Sept 18, 2024 12:49:24 GMT
Perhaps the only way we will see him score is in a 352 or 442.
Either that or have the MF work on playing more through balls for him.
Haven't see Marti employing 352 yet and it would require both him and Frey to play every game, as well as avoid injury.
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 18, 2024 13:52:31 GMT
i think he'll come good eventually once everyone settles in. this is the Armstrong argument Celar has International experience and goals to back it up (40 in 95 last season) Armstrong had nothing of the sort and still doesn't. I keep thinking if he gets one he'll go on a run but that one goal just isn't coming. |
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Post by hal9thou on Sept 18, 2024 18:23:17 GMT
Perhaps the only way we will see him score is in a 352 or 442. Either that or have the MF work on playing more through balls for him. Haven't see Marti employing 352 yet and it would require both him and Frey to play every game, as well as avoid injury.
Truth is, Marti needs to show a bit more tactical flexibility and nous.
Last night it became evident that they weren't comfortable when turned, either by the solitary long ball or by through passes, for which you need quick build up. What did we do? Lateral and backwards far far too often.
It's one thing trying to get them comfortable on the ball, but sometimes you need to play whats in front of you.
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Žan Celar
Sept 18, 2024 18:49:47 GMT
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 18, 2024 18:49:47 GMT
Hal is right. I was also struck by the lack of urgency. Keeper took an age to kick it long with minutes left. Go figure.
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 18, 2024 22:31:46 GMT
I'd give time to ALL the new overseas signings before judging them. 5 games in just isn't enough for foreign players to a new league. 10 games is really the time to properly assess them for me.
Look how poorly we judged Helguson and Furlong in the past (for example) and they weren't even foreign to the league
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Post by West Acton on Sept 19, 2024 6:41:29 GMT
I think there is a player in him. When I hear people say players need to settle I can see it in his case. He gets in the box so think he will score goals plus for equaliser yesterday it was him keeping the move going winning the header. He's one I would give time to.I'd give time to ALL the new overseas signings before judging them. 5 games in just isn't enough for foreign players to a new league. 10 games is really the time to properly assess them for me. Look how poorly we judged Helguson and Furlong in the past (for example) and they weren't even foreign to the league do you need to have experience of English football to run about and put some effort in? |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 19, 2024 19:01:07 GMT
I'd give time to ALL the new overseas signings before judging them. 5 games in just isn't enough for foreign players to a new league. 10 games is really the time to properly assess them for me. Look how poorly we judged Helguson and Furlong in the past (for example) and they weren't even foreign to the league do you need to have experience of English football to run about and put some effort in? Obviously not, but which player(s) are you referring to? I missed tuesday's game so can't comment on that, but have seen all the others this season. The criticism of Madsen isn't that he doesn't 'run about'. If you're referring to Celar that was debated here: I watched a few clips of him at previous teams and his movement was what got him most of his goals with good quick through balls for him to run on to.he's not the kind of player to hold up the ball or rough players up imo. he's a finisher, sort of guy who needs balls to run onto and for our other attacking players to work the ball to him.I don't know why we didn't try some balls over the top for him to run on to, at least it would have challenged their press? Ok, so that's three of us (in just the last page) who have all made the same point basically. And yet we're not doing it, IOW playing to his strengths, as a striker. (And the Frey comparison is valid in that he too was judged prematurely.) |
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Žan Celar
Sept 20, 2024 10:12:55 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Sept 20, 2024 10:12:55 GMT
do you need to have experience of English football to run about and put some effort in? Obviously not, but which player(s) are you referring to? I missed tuesday's game so can't comment on that, but have seen all the others this season. The criticism of Madsen isn't that he doesn't 'run about'. If you're referring to Celar that was debated here: Ok, so that's three of us (in just the last page) who have all made the same point basically. And yet we're not doing it, IOW playing to his strengths, as a striker. (And the Frey comparison is valid in that he too was judged prematurely.) response was specifically to Celar he was as bad on Tuesday as anything I’ve witnessed last few seasons hence my point about even settling in, I can accept and get my head around that, there is no excuse for lack of overall effort. I’ve no problem Madsen I think there is a player there. |
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Post by Shania on Sept 20, 2024 11:03:08 GMT
A new language for him could be part of his problem. Just a thought.
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Post by acricketer on Sept 20, 2024 14:06:48 GMT
6 pages already. I think he will top Dykes in the thread count!
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 20, 2024 14:32:33 GMT
A new language for him could be part of his problem. Just a thought. Na mojo glavo, sin. Surely our players can learn that? |
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Post by hubble on Sept 21, 2024 0:25:35 GMT
A new language for him could be part of his problem. Just a thought. Na mojo glavo, sin. Surely our players can learn that? samo vtakni ga v neto kolega |
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Post by West Acton on Sept 21, 2024 9:43:56 GMT
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Post by acricketer on Sept 21, 2024 13:42:16 GMT
Thought he looked good as he trotted on from the touchline.
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Post by Hitman34 on Sept 21, 2024 16:46:02 GMT
Thought he looked good as he trotted on from the touchline. |
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