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Post by MattyRangers on Aug 29, 2024 7:41:44 GMT
Trouble is, Colback at Luton is a red. You just know it😁 100% lol |
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Post by Bill on Aug 29, 2024 18:06:10 GMT
Dont think that squad is ok.
Weak up front.
Saito looks like a fish out of
water.
Varane looks lost.
Smyth offers very little.
Madsen unproven.
Kolli and Lloyd kids.
Colback allthough i like him is likely to miss many games through suspension.
Through a long hard season with injuries etc we are going to struggle.
So over 25% of squad are questionable at this level.
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Post by awin on Aug 29, 2024 18:08:34 GMT
Dont think that squad is ok. Weak up front. Saito looks like a fish out of water. Varane looks lost. Smyth offers very little. Madsen unproven. Kolli and Lloyd kids. Colback allthough i like him is likely to miss many games through suspension. Through a long hard season with injuries etc we are going to struggle. So over 25% of squad are questionable at this level. I love you Bill but you are a miserable sod. 😂 |
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Post by Bill on Aug 29, 2024 18:11:00 GMT
Dont think that squad is ok. Weak up front. Saito looks like a fish out of water. Varane looks lost. Smyth offers very little. Madsen unproven. Kolli and Lloyd kids. Colback allthough i like him is likely to miss many games through suspension. Through a long hard season with injuries etc we are going to struggle. So over 25% of squad are questionable at this level. I love you Bill but you are a miserable sod. 😂 Its just reality. Say it the way it is😀 |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 29, 2024 18:12:18 GMT
Dont think that squad is ok. Weak up front. Saito looks like a fish out of water. Varane looks lost. Smyth offers very little. Madsen unproven. Kolli and Lloyd kids. Colback allthough i like him is likely to miss many games through suspension. Through a long hard season with injuries etc we are going to struggle. So over 25% of squad are questionable at this level. You reckon other Championship squads are much different mate? Don't think there are many clubs in this division with the resources to put together a properly balanced squad with 2 players for every position. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 29, 2024 18:16:56 GMT
Dont think that squad is ok. Weak up front. Saito looks like a fish out of water. Varane looks lost. Smyth offers very little. Madsen unproven. Kolli and Lloyd kids. Colback allthough i like him is likely to miss many games through suspension. Through a long hard season with injuries etc we are going to struggle. So over 25% of squad are questionable at this level. You reckon other Championship squads are much different mate? Don't think there are many clubs in this division with the resources to put together a properly balanced squad with 2 players for every position. My opinion only,i dont see us as being any stronger than last season especially up front. I just hope they do something to remedy this as a purchase or loan pronto. Just squad for me looks thin,and what ive seen on the pitch. |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 29, 2024 18:26:24 GMT
up front is an unknown quantity though but an interesting and even exciting one. as far as strikers go frey is a handful and has come back leaner and sharper than last season. celar was the top scorer in back to back seasons in the swiss league and gradually looks to be coming up to speed with championship football. only a matter of time until he finds the back of the net.
dembele has looked wonderful so far, too early to say whether he's an upgrade on willock but willock was inconsistent, injury prone and lacked confidence so it makes sense to move on.
it'd be unfair to write anyone off so early on though lol. they need time to settle in, adjust and build cohesion with the rest of the side.
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Post by Bill on Aug 29, 2024 19:03:48 GMT
up front is an unknown quantity though but an interesting and even exciting one. as far as strikers go frey is a handful and has come back leaner and sharper than last season. celar was the top scorer in back to back seasons in the swiss league and gradually looks to be coming up to speed with championship football. only a matter of time until he finds the back of the net. dembele has looked wonderful so far, too early to say whether he's an upgrade on willock but willock was inconsistent, injury prone and lacked confidence so it makes sense to move on. it'd be unfair to write anyone off so early on though lol. they need time to settle in, adjust and build cohesion with the rest of the side. Frey is hard working but offers little else. Celar needs to toughen up,put a shift in and not let his head drop,which it does. Dembele is a plus so far. Gelling etc should be done pre season as frankly at tines look like a bunch of strangers. Corbs just saying what i see and respect your opinion but it is not mine as of now,four games in. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 29, 2024 19:12:32 GMT
Dont think that squad is ok. Weak up front. Saito looks like a fish out of water. Varane looks lost. Smyth offers very little. Madsen unproven. Kolli and Lloyd kids. Colback allthough i like him is likely to miss many games through suspension. Through a long hard season with injuries etc we are going to struggle. So over 25% of squad are questionable at this level. You reckon other Championship squads are much different mate? Don't think there are many clubs in this division with the resources to put together a properly balanced squad with 2 players for every position. Yes i do Tarbs and better prepared. |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 29, 2024 19:52:16 GMT
Honestly mate, I think we'll come good. I think we just have a group of players that have come together quite late in the window and in a lot of cases need to acclimatise to a new league.
I suppose you can dig the club out for doing business too late in the window but that for me is just par for the course if you are working to get players for the right price.
I think we'll click at some stage and have a good season. Of course, it would look better with some extra options at full back, central midfielder and up top. But at the same time, we have to operate within certain financial constraints.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 29, 2024 20:56:51 GMT
Gelling should be done pre season That's unrealistic Bill considering the budgetary constraints. No way could we have expected all our business to be done by pre-season, and therefore it's inevitably going to take until the transfer window closes for the squad to gel. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 29, 2024 22:20:32 GMT
Gelling should be done pre season That's unrealistic Bill considering the budgetary constraints. No way could we have expected all our business to be done by pre-season, and therefore it's inevitably going to take until the transfer window closes for the squad to gel. Given our financial situation and our transfer policy being data driven,i would think players we wanted were known. We knew a lot of the development squad were going to be released,Armstrong going was a bonus. Is there some unwritten law where football just stops at the end of the season? For example agreements reached,negotiations taking place. As i have stated not having your squad together for pre season games and training is a distinct disadvantage,something like 8 points. In our position i would of thought this is paramount especially with the number of newbies Preparation cohesion and understanding is essential in most walks of life to work and achieve what we all want for Rangers.The transfer window ends tomorrow and we still dont look like a cohesive unit.Fortunately we still have the loan market and free agents list so i hope for the brst Not acting early and getting most of your business done is unrealistic Stan imo. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 29, 2024 22:38:16 GMT
That's unrealistic Bill considering the budgetary constraints. No way could we have expected all our business to be done by pre-season, and therefore it's inevitably going to take until the transfer window closes for the squad to gel. Given our financial situation and our transfer policy being data driven,i would think players we wanted were known. We knew a lot of the development squad were going to be released,Armstrong going was a bonus. Is there some unwritten law where football just stops at the end of the season? For example agreements reached,negotiations taking place. As i have stated not having your squad together for pre season games and training is a distinct disadvantage,something like 8 points. In our position i would of thought this is paramount especially with the number of newbies Preparation cohesion and understanding is essential in most walks of life to work and achieve what we all want for Rangers.The transfer window ends tomorrow and we still dont look like a cohesive unit. That is unrealistic Stan imo. Bill, firstly I disagree our transfer policy is purely data driven. As I've said, that's certainly a factor, but it's combined with a scouting policy too. Secondly, just because a player we want is known, that's very different from being able to sign him straight away. All manner of obstacles can get in the way of that. We know a lot of these transfers take several weeks to complete. So as frustrating as it is, to expect any different for a club under our constraints is IMO unrealistic. |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 30, 2024 6:11:41 GMT
Another season ruined.  |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Aug 30, 2024 6:25:59 GMT
I still think all three Kolli, Lloyd and Dixon-Bonner need to be loaned out so that they would have a possibility to start every game in league two. Make loan deals until end of year and evaluate the situation then. None of them are ready to start games in the Championship. Kolli is well above league two standard so pointless sending him down the ladder. I think he's progressing nicely from the bench. Dixon Bonner needs to stay as cover. He was pretty good last night against a side that everyone including their supporters rated as a strong line up. Lloyd is the tough call. He has pace but can fade out of a game. What you do with him depends entirely on how much cover you have for that position. Dixon-Bonner is already behind Dembele and Andersen, perhaps Chair too. Don't think he gets many minutes with us tbh. Would be important for his development to start games. |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 30, 2024 8:21:04 GMT
maybe a change in formation although that would be unlikely and not needed?
a back 3 of JCS, cook and dunne with JCS and dunne pushing further up the pitch and even supporting/overloading attacking areas. paal and the new lad as wing backs with a midfield of madsen and field with a front 3 infront of them. god knows tbh, don't feel like we need a new RB as dunne has been exceptional there and we have santos as cover.
santos was playing regular top flight football last season and has probably came in viewing himself as the starting RB. looked good in the cup but needs some months to adjust to this league and put on some muscle.
think a backup LB is more of a priority personally as fox is perennially injured.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 30, 2024 9:19:51 GMT
maybe a change in formation although that would be unlikely and not needed? a back 3 of JCS, cook and dunne with JCS and dunne pushing further up the pitch and even supporting/overloading attacking areas. paal and the new lad as wing backs with a midfield of madsen and field with a front 3 infront of them. god knows tbh, don't feel like we need a new RB as dunne has been exceptional there and we have santos as cover. santos was playing regular top flight football last season and has probably came in viewing himself as the starting RB. looked good in the cup but needs some months to adjust to this league and put on some muscle. think a backup LB is more of a priority personally as fox is perennially injured. I like a three when you’ve got the right players and not sure we have. Fox, decent but always out was the comment from Stoke fans when he came here. Always looked ok when he played. |
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Post by Bill on Aug 30, 2024 11:15:54 GMT
Honestly mate, I think we'll come good. I think we just have a group of players that have come together quite late in the window and in a lot of cases need to acclimatise to a new league. I suppose you can dig the club out for doing business too late in the window but that for me is just par for the course if you are working to get players for the right price. I think we'll click at some stage and have a good season. Of course, it would look better with some extra options at full back, central midfielder and up top. But at the same time, we have to operate within certain financial constraints. Well i hope your right ! |
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Post by Bill on Aug 30, 2024 11:16:48 GMT
Given our financial situation and our transfer policy being data driven,i would think players we wanted were known. We knew a lot of the development squad were going to be released,Armstrong going was a bonus. Is there some unwritten law where football just stops at the end of the season? For example agreements reached,negotiations taking place. As i have stated not having your squad together for pre season games and training is a distinct disadvantage,something like 8 points. In our position i would of thought this is paramount especially with the number of newbies Preparation cohesion and understanding is essential in most walks of life to work and achieve what we all want for Rangers.The transfer window ends tomorrow and we still dont look like a cohesive unit. That is unrealistic Stan imo. Bill, firstly I disagree our transfer policy is purely data driven. As I've said, that's certainly a factor, but it's combined with a scouting policy too. Secondly, just because a player we want is known, that's very different from being able to sign him straight away. All manner of obstacles can get in the way of that. We know a lot of these transfers take several weeks to complete. So as frustrating as it is, to expect any different for a club under our constraints is IMO unrealistic. Agree to disagree Stan. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 30, 2024 11:32:13 GMT
Bill, firstly I disagree our transfer policy is purely data driven. As I've said, that's certainly a factor, but it's combined with a scouting policy too. Secondly, just because a player we want is known, that's very different from being able to sign him straight away. All manner of obstacles can get in the way of that. We know a lot of these transfers take several weeks to complete. So as frustrating as it is, to expect any different for a club under our constraints is IMO unrealistic. Agree to disagree Stan. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 30, 2024 11:40:35 GMT
Like the squad myself and for me we are a left back and pacey forward from being a good side. Dembele and Madsen look proper players and the others will take a bit longer to gel but once they do we will have a good season.
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Post by The General on Aug 30, 2024 11:49:54 GMT
As long as Hoos Fernandes and Les
Are not here I’m happy guys
whatever division
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2024 11:54:56 GMT
Some depressing comments above and equally as much if not more common sense.
Not worth going over the whole thing again so just a couple of points to empathise
1. It is totally unrealistic to expect our final squad to be put together in time for pre season training. Pre season starts 4 weeks before kick off and the window close almost 4 weeks after kick off so there is no way any squad will be final unless they are under a transfer embargo but even then face outgoings. We just need to look at all the Championship clubs still trying to get or offload players this week - we are no different and should not be expected to be different.
2. Too many quick to make judgement or state players are "unproven". If we expect new players to be up to their full ability and to have adapted to Championship football in a new country after 3 days with the club and one full training session. Some of those being quoted as :unproven: are proven in different leagues and countries just our UK fans have not heard of them. Take Celar for example. Top scorer in the Swiss Super league last season, Last 2 seasons in the same league and Swiss cup has scored 36 goals in 74 games.Thats a goal every 2 games folks. Experienced in european cups and represented his country at every age group from u16 upwards and a full international and yet he is not good enough or "proven" for some of our fans after a couple of games. Sure he will take a little time to settle and that will come once we get a settled team . Or maybe we should have just stuck with Dykes - he was proven - proven not to score.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 30, 2024 18:44:03 GMT
NINE new signings. Almost a whole team.
And that's not including the 5 Dev Squad signings. So 14 in total.
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Post by acricketer on Aug 30, 2024 21:08:50 GMT
Thought the subs tonight all did a job and took us home.
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Post by EGRanger on Aug 30, 2024 21:37:55 GMT
Thought the subs tonight all did a job and took us home. Marti trusts our squad more than some of those posting 😉 |
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Aug 30, 2024 21:47:54 GMT
Keep thinking we need to play 3 at the back to accommodate 2 upfront but totally against the way Marti wants to play but can really see this working …
Nardi
Dunne Cook JCS
Smythe Madsen Field Paal
Dembele
Frey Celar
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Post by Corbray on Aug 30, 2024 22:22:51 GMT
Thought the subs tonight all did a job and took us home. Marti trusts our squad more than some of those posting 😉 always gunna be the way though ain't it, we're just fans at the end of the day. if it weren't then i'd have lead us to champions league glory 4 times in a row by now lol! |
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Aug 30, 2024 22:25:43 GMT
Marti trusts our squad more than some of those posting 😉 always gunna be the way though ain't it, we're just fans at the end of the day. if it weren't then i'd have lead us to champions league glory 4 times in a row by now lol! 😂🤣😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 8:42:09 GMT
Now some of the unknown and unproven are suddenly starting to be known, one last question to put the cat among the pigeons.
Cannon has gone - good - may have been ok for Ainsworth but not Marti and with legal issues good to get him off the books. Nourry's comments were clear.
Makes sense then why Ashby has joined so we have 2 regular RB's in Santos and Ashby and probably gives Santos time to get some time from the bench and develop a bit more.
Dunne has done a decent job as cover but is not a RB and will continue to get exposed by a good winger , also slow to react to circumstances, rebounds and letting players get in front of him.
So do we continue with Dunne at RB out of loyalty or do we do the ruthless but imo necessary step of playing Ashby and using Dunne off the bench and as cover for suspensions and injuries in the CB positions.
I know which way I would go - it's the team that counts and if we want to push up the league difficult decisions have to be made and sentiment put to one side. It's a squad game these days with 5 subs allowed.
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