|
Post by 1973ranger on Jan 5, 2023 17:00:29 GMT
Nothing to do with signings but what does he bring to the table? How many players that he has overseen through our youth system develop into first team players? Ramsay was sacked yet has somehow managed to engineer himself a nice touch alongside his hoppo Ferdinand. Sacked as Manager? Smart move to move him into a different role in my opinion. We'd have only had to pay up his contract otherwise. Been back and forward a lot on Ramsey with a lot of people. I understand that it's quite hard to quantify what he brings to the table. What I will say is he is generally regarded as one of the best in the business when it comes to methodology with regards to training etc. Prior to us he was with Spurs and before that England. He cannot be that good as both have won fuck all. Would Ramsay have been brought back if he was not tied in with Ferdinand, Same question would he have ever got the manager's gig. Jobs for the boys as up to this point he has brought sod all.
|
|
|
Post by Tarbie on Jan 5, 2023 20:17:03 GMT
Agree to disagree on that one 73. Loads of stuff we can complain about. Ramsey isn't one for me.
|
|
|
Post by jfrabbit on Jan 5, 2023 22:24:07 GMT
From what I know and have seen Chris Ramsey is very good at his job.
He knows a player when he sees one and is very meticulous with his strategy in trying to attract young players to the club.
The problem QPR have is every young player we like the look of get snapped up by other London clubs.
I know of at least 5 players with massive potential that QPR have tracked, scouted and approached parents & player to then get stumped by the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and even Fulham to their signature.
It’s really really tough for clubs like us to get young players in when all they want is to be at a premier league outfit.
We tracked a young African kid about 3 years ago, I’ll try and get his name as I can’t remember it. Anyway, he was 16 / 17 really highly rated CM.
He went to Chelsea. I was told his parents were bought a house in Epsom and he was offered a or promised a ridiculous contract for his age. We just can’t compete.
We try and pick up decent players that have been fucked off from other clubs. Players like Eze and we try and better them.
That’s where we’re at unfortunately. Not much Ramsey or the club can do about that if kids, agents and parents are all seeking PL riches.
|
|
|
Post by Bill on Jan 6, 2023 0:00:07 GMT
From what I know and have seen Chris Ramsey is very good at his job. He knows a player when he sees one and is very meticulous with his strategy in trying to attract young players to the club. The problem QPR have is every young player we like the look of get snapped up by other London clubs. I know of at least 5 players with massive potential that QPR have tracked, scouted and approached parents & player to then get stumped by the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and even Fulham to their signature. It’s really really tough for clubs like us to get young players in when all they want is to be at a premier league outfit. We tracked a young African kid about 3 years ago, I’ll try and get his name as I can’t remember it. Anyway, he was 16 / 17 really highly rated CM. He went to Chelsea. I was told his parents were bought a house in Epsom and he was offered a or promised a ridiculous contract for his age. We just can’t compete. We try and pick up decent players that have been fucked off from other clubs. Players like Eze and we try and better them. That’s where we’re at unfortunately. Not much Ramsey or the club can do about that if kids, agents and parents are all seeking PL riches. With respect if we can't attract these kids why build a training ground and have Chris Ramsey who some think has a great reputation?
|
|
|
Post by jfrabbit on Jan 6, 2023 0:57:07 GMT
Bill our training ground over by Heathrow was a fucking disgrace. No better than Sunday league.
We’re gonna have state of the art facilities that will attract first team players and hopefully young players too.
|
|
|
Post by West Acton on Jan 6, 2023 15:54:20 GMT
From what I know and have seen Chris Ramsey is very good at his job. He knows a player when he sees one and is very meticulous with his strategy in trying to attract young players to the club. The problem QPR have is every young player we like the look of get snapped up by other London clubs. I know of at least 5 players with massive potential that QPR have tracked, scouted and approached parents & player to then get stumped by the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and even Fulham to their signature. It’s really really tough for clubs like us to get young players in when all they want is to be at a premier league outfit. We tracked a young African kid about 3 years ago, I’ll try and get his name as I can’t remember it. Anyway, he was 16 / 17 really highly rated CM. He went to Chelsea. I was told his parents were bought a house in Epsom and he was offered a or promised a ridiculous contract for his age. We just can’t compete. We try and pick up decent players that have been fucked off from other clubs. Players like Eze and we try and better them. That’s where we’re at unfortunately. Not much Ramsey or the club can do about that if kids, agents and parents are all seeking PL riches. good post but won’t move the dial for some.
|
|
|
Post by Corbray on Jan 6, 2023 17:00:28 GMT
From what I know and have seen Chris Ramsey is very good at his job. He knows a player when he sees one and is very meticulous with his strategy in trying to attract young players to the club. The problem QPR have is every young player we like the look of get snapped up by other London clubs. I know of at least 5 players with massive potential that QPR have tracked, scouted and approached parents & player to then get stumped by the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and even Fulham to their signature. It’s really really tough for clubs like us to get young players in when all they want is to be at a premier league outfit. We tracked a young African kid about 3 years ago, I’ll try and get his name as I can’t remember it. Anyway, he was 16 / 17 really highly rated CM. He went to Chelsea. I was told his parents were bought a house in Epsom and he was offered a or promised a ridiculous contract for his age. We just can’t compete. We try and pick up decent players that have been fucked off from other clubs. Players like Eze and we try and better them. That’s where we’re at unfortunately. Not much Ramsey or the club can do about that if kids, agents and parents are all seeking PL riches. With respect if we can't attract these kids why build a training ground and have Chris Ramsey who some think has a great reputation? because having good facilities is crucial to attracting players. we're all blinded by our love/hate relationship with the club so we're all biased lol. but if you're a young player with no connection to the club why would you come here if our facilities are poor? kids and their parents need to be wowed into coming here and if they see modern, good facilities and are shown the players who've graduated our academy under ramsey's watch it'll go a long way to attracting better players. personally i think its better for a youth players development to be a big fish in a small pond. if i was a prospect i'd rather go to a club like qpr with a modern academy were extra special attention would be paid to me than to a bigger club like chelsea were i'm one of many.
|
|
|
Post by Bill on Jan 6, 2023 17:13:33 GMT
I get that Jimmy and Corbs but young kids see the prem like the road to riches and probably the parents more so.
Don't think a nice shiny new training ground would change this mindset. I want it now is the way and aiming high and failing I we might pickup some.
Most kids would probably choose Spurs,Chelsea,Arsenal,West Ham,Brentford,Palace and Fulham at present. Probably Watford as well.
Clubs reputation is nit what it was due to the financial turmoil and general apathy we find ourselves in.
Selling the club no matter how good the training ground is money,glamour and reputation are what kids and parents see,£ notes talk.
|
|
|
Post by Corbray on Jan 6, 2023 17:23:35 GMT
I get that Jimmy and Corbs but young kids see the prem like the road to riches and probably the parents more so. Don't think a nice shiny new training ground would change this mindset. I want it now is the way and aiming high and failing I we might pickup some. Most kids would probably choose Spurs,Chelsea,Arsenal,West Ham,Brentford,Palace and Fulham at present. Probably Watford as well. Clubs reputation is nit what it was due to the financial turmoil and general apathy we find ourselves in. Selling the club no matter how good the training ground is money,glamour and reputation are what kids and parents see,£ notes talk. i think that smaller clubs have gotten much smarter in regards to youth development and bigger clubs have also been lackadaisical in their development with young players. they don't care and are happy to hoard all the best young talent because they have the money to 'sacrifice' 20 youth players in the knowledge that 1 of them will be good enough for the first team. and if that doesn't work then they can just spend 50m+ on someone ready made. quite frankly we NEED to develop players, we need to spend extra time and effort in harnessing a players skills because our aim is to bring through the best young players and then set them up for a career either with us or at a higher level. parents and young players have wisened up to it as well. all it takes is for a couple of eze's to come through and boom, we're able to attract better prospects.
|
|
|
Post by hal9thou on Jan 6, 2023 17:42:29 GMT
I get that Jimmy and Corbs but young kids see the prem like the road to riches and probably the parents more so. Don't think a nice shiny new training ground would change this mindset. I want it now is the way and aiming high and failing I we might pickup some. Most kids would probably choose Spurs,Chelsea,Arsenal,West Ham,Brentford,Palace and Fulham at present. Probably Watford as well. Clubs reputation is nit what it was due to the financial turmoil and general apathy we find ourselves in. Selling the club no matter how good the training ground is money,glamour and reputation are what kids and parents see,£ notes talk. i think that smaller clubs have gotten much smarter in regards to youth development and bigger clubs have also been lackadaisical in their development with young players. they don't care and are happy to hoard all the best young talent because they have the money to 'sacrifice' 20 youth players in the knowledge that 1 of them will be good enough for the first team. and if that doesn't work then they can just spend 50m+ on someone ready made. quite frankly we NEED to develop players, we need to spend extra time and effort in harnessing a players skills because our aim is to bring through the best young players and then set them up for a career either with us or at a higher level. parents and young players have wisened up to it as well. all it takes is for a couple of eze's to come through and boom, we're able to attract better prospects. Sorry but I need to see the data re Ramsey's magical input. I need to see results, people keep talking him up but I'm not getting the proof. He's been here seven years. If the facilities were so shit that no one decent would come as has been claimed, then why did he accept the job and why did we appoint him seven years too early?
|
|
|
Post by Corbray on Jan 6, 2023 18:02:17 GMT
i think that smaller clubs have gotten much smarter in regards to youth development and bigger clubs have also been lackadaisical in their development with young players. they don't care and are happy to hoard all the best young talent because they have the money to 'sacrifice' 20 youth players in the knowledge that 1 of them will be good enough for the first team. and if that doesn't work then they can just spend 50m+ on someone ready made. quite frankly we NEED to develop players, we need to spend extra time and effort in harnessing a players skills because our aim is to bring through the best young players and then set them up for a career either with us or at a higher level. parents and young players have wisened up to it as well. all it takes is for a couple of eze's to come through and boom, we're able to attract better prospects. Sorry but I need to see the data re Ramsey's magical input. I need to see results, people keep talking him up but I'm not getting the proof. He's been here seven years. If the facilities were so shit that no one decent would come as has been claimed, then why did he accept the job and why did we appoint him seven years too early? seny dieng, ilias chair and eze have all come into the club whilst ramsey has been here and all have spent a considerable time with him. then you have guys like manning and BOS off the top of my head who also had time under him and there's an argument to be made about a few others too. fact of the matter is our youth development and youth recruitment has been great under ramsey. far better than it was in the past 15 years imo.
|
|
|
Post by 1973ranger on Jan 7, 2023 7:11:10 GMT
Ransey may well be highly rated and may well be able to spot a player and if that is the case why is he not in charge of recruitment in general and why can we not find a striker other than Lyndon Dykes. My original point was why do we have or need him and a D.O F when we cannot finds for the on the field playing staff. A club of our size do not need or are in a position to justify having these roles. His background if youth I believe so why have we not uneartged a promising striker in the lower leagues in the past 4 or 5 years.
|
|
|
Post by sparks on Jul 17, 2023 4:15:30 GMT
Spud bound?
|
|
|
Post by Tarbie on Jul 17, 2023 4:53:07 GMT
What have you heard Sparks? Definitely wouldn't surprise me if Ramsey was on his way, but I haven't heard anything specific.
|
|
|
Post by sparks on Jul 17, 2023 5:41:30 GMT
What have you heard Sparks? Definitely wouldn't surprise me if Ramsey was on his way, but I haven't heard anything specific. I’m not ITK, it’s just something I saw Tarbie. Everybody in the same building now so it’s likely some will leave. Was tempted to say due to Noddy 🤣
|
|
|
Post by 1973ranger on Aug 10, 2023 6:18:45 GMT
Good signing this if stays fit. But also highlights our nonexistent scouting system. The scouting system and the lack of academy players hitting the first team are a massive negative with regards to the model we are trying to employ. Both should ripped up and started again as neither have given the club anything positive
|
|
|
Post by BrightonR on Aug 10, 2023 9:11:51 GMT
Would be nice if whoever is responsible for developing our young players had a fucking clue what they were doing. The total lack of being able to get our own youngsters, or those we can get from elsewhere, Eze aside, is nothing short of appalling.
When I think back to a time which included Peter Hucker, Warren Neill, Ian Dawes, Ian Stewart, Wayne Fereday, Clive Allen, Paul Goddard etc. not just stepping up but becoming permanent fixtures in our side, it makes my blood boil. How can it be so difficult now? Why are those in their early twenties considered not to be “ready” yet? By the time any of our current lot are, they’ll be as old as the likes of Cook and Begovic.
And change those names to Peter Springett, the Morgan twins, Tony Hazell, Frank Sibley, Ian Gillard etc. and just imagine the torture that Alan and Bill must be feeling.
|
|
|
Post by James1979 on Aug 10, 2023 9:19:59 GMT
Would be nice if whoever is responsible for developing our young players had a fucking clue what they were doing. The total lack of being able to get our own youngsters, or those we can get from elsewhere, Eze aside, is nothing short of appalling. When I think back to a time which included Peter Hucker, Warren Neill, Ian Dawes, Ian Stewart, Wayne Fereday, Clive Allen, Paul Goddard etc. not just stepping up but becoming permanent fixtures in our side, it makes my blood boil. How can it be so difficult now? Why are those in their early twenties considered not to be “ready” yet? By the time any of our current lot are, they’ll be as old as the likes of Cook and Begovic. And change those names to Peter Springett, the Morgan twins, Tony Hazell, Frank Sibley, Ian Gillard etc. and just imagine the torture that Alan and Bill must be feeling. 100%. We’re fooled by the Eze transfer. I would bin the whole set up
|
|
|
Post by alanwycombe on Aug 10, 2023 9:22:11 GMT
Brights……Alan McDonald, once picked never dropped. Dave Clement.
|
|
|
Post by alanwycombe on Aug 10, 2023 9:32:49 GMT
Would be nice if whoever is responsible for developing our young players had a fucking clue what they were doing. The total lack of being able to get our own youngsters, or those we can get from elsewhere, Eze aside, is nothing short of appalling. When I think back to a time which included Peter Hucker, Warren Neill, Ian Dawes, Ian Stewart, Wayne Fereday, Clive Allen, Paul Goddard etc. not just stepping up but becoming permanent fixtures in our side, it makes my blood boil. How can it be so difficult now? Why are those in their early twenties considered not to be “ready” yet? By the time any of our current lot are, they’ll be as old as the likes of Cook and Begovic. And change those names to Peter Springett, the Morgan twins, Tony Hazell, Frank Sibley, Ian Gillard etc. and just imagine the torture that Alan and Bill must be feeling. 100%. We’re fooled by the Eze transfer. I would bin the whole set up James, I’ve been saying this for several managers. It’s behind the scenes too. But Ramsey is ‘respected’…? He’s living off being around with Harry Kane who would have made it if my old auntie had been training him.
|
|
|
Post by BrightonR on Aug 10, 2023 9:40:32 GMT
Brights……Alan McDonald, once picked never dropped. Dave Clement. Indeed. Oh for the good old days!😂
|
|
|
Post by James1979 on Aug 10, 2023 9:51:23 GMT
100%. We’re fooled by the Eze transfer. I would bin the whole set up James, I’ve been saying this for several managers. It’s behind the scenes too. But Ramsey is ‘respected’…? He’s living off being around with Harry Kane who would have made it if my old auntie had been training him. I’m not sure what Ramsey’s role is now. Is he in charge of player development?
|
|
|
Post by Stanley75 on Aug 10, 2023 10:45:13 GMT
James, I’ve been saying this for several managers. It’s behind the scenes too. But Ramsey is ‘respected’…? He’s living off being around with Harry Kane who would have made it if my old auntie had been training him. I’m not sure what Ramsey’s role is now. Is he in charge of player development? “Technical Director” whatever the fuck that entails.
|
|
|
Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 10, 2023 11:04:10 GMT
He dictates the style of play and players targeting throughout club. Then noddy does his own thing
|
|
|
Post by Corbray on Aug 10, 2023 11:06:58 GMT
we had a 'good' crop of young players come through a few years back but it appears the well has dried up and nobody has come through with any real talent since, bar armstrong imo.
i understand that we'll always be a bit up against it given the predatory nature of bigger clubs academies and being surrounded by other clubs but its still not good enough imo. millwall and charlton are able to regularly bring through decent players yet we routinely fail in that aspect.
|
|
|
Post by Bill on Aug 10, 2023 11:15:59 GMT
What has he achieved at this club?
|
|
|
Post by alanwycombe on Aug 10, 2023 11:16:44 GMT
Non job. Myth.
|
|
|
Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 10, 2023 11:17:07 GMT
A better house
|
|
|
Post by jfrabbit on Aug 10, 2023 12:26:06 GMT
Was he on the bench at Watford?
I thought I saw him through my very glazed pissed eyes
|
|
|
Post by 1973ranger on Aug 10, 2023 18:51:56 GMT
Should be moved om as not one player has come through under his watch. All in all what is the point of him at QPR FC. The problem is the board just pay decent wages to people that bring nothing to the table in results terms.
|
|