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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 9:26:36 GMT
Yes..the reason is MW has been quoted “ I expect at least one experienced CB to come in before the season start “ Im actually hoping for Two good CB to come in which may enable Barbet to either be a back up or switched to LB as I don’t think he’s a particularly good central defender. Dieng has been out on loan for a couple of seasons to gain experience and will be rightly judged at the beginning of the season as to wether he’s better than the other Three Keepers...that is of course if he’s not sold as there was speculated interest from Brum. Any player needs to be given a chance to play to prove their worth that place in the team...sitting on the bench as understudy to an experienced Keeper is not what Dieng requires at this stage , he needs game time imo. Lumley was great on loan before he came back to us at a lower level the same as Dieng. Keepers are the one area of the field where there is no hiding place and a promising keeper could be ruined by playing in a team who manager does not coach defenders to defend. We have never replaced Smithies and it has shown. Respect your opinion 73 ,would love a Smithies type back but can’t see it happening with our current surplus of Keepers..we don’t have to agree mate ..let’s see what pans out. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 29, 2020 10:12:37 GMT
Sparx. It does not matter what centre half you bring in the manager does not worry about coaching defenders there fore a solid experienced keeper is a must or we run the risk of ruining a keeper with potential.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 29, 2020 10:13:27 GMT
Didn't realise Dieng is 25, thought he was younger than that. Maybe if we sign an experienced keeper we should have him as a backup to Dieng, and give Dieng someone to learn from? Or is that too big a risk? Doncaster and Dundee fans seem to be pretty happy with how he's done for them, might be time to see if he can handle the step up to Championship football.
I wouldnt be fussed if Lumley and Kelly went.
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 29, 2020 10:20:47 GMT
Didn't realise Dieng is 25, thought he was younger than that. Maybe if we sign an experienced keeper we should have him as a backup to Dieng, and give Dieng someone to learn from? Or is that too big a risk? Doncaster and Dundee fans seem to be pretty happy with how he's done for them, might be time to see if he can handle the step up to Championship football. I wouldnt be fussed if Lumley and Kelly went. Ginge. Agree bring in someone to help him as the other 2 are not great alternatives and Dieng is unproven at this level as Lumley was after his loan spell as Ingram was when we bought him. A John Ruddy type would do us in that he is still capable to play and his experience would help the keepers along no end. Too big a risk chucking Dieng in and having the other 2 as back up especially in a team where the manager does not believe in defenders defending. |
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Post by acricketer on Jul 29, 2020 10:37:41 GMT
Sad to see us debating the worth of our 3rd choice keeper over our 1 and 2. Are we clutching at straws?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jul 29, 2020 10:43:52 GMT
Sad to see us debating the worth of our 3rd choice keeper over our 1 and 2. Are we clutching at straws? No worse then watching them clutch at thin air |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:48:46 GMT
Sparx. It does not matter what centre half you bring in the manager does not worry about coaching defenders there fore a solid experienced keeper is a must or we run the risk of ruining a keeper with potential. Just to give MW some semblance of credibility he obviously knows that our current defensive frailties are horrendous and were probably recognised in pre-season. Clive on LFW wrote a piece explaining that he was present at an early pre- season training session involving our first team practicing drills on defending...to basically sum it up he said “ we were terrible “ if if you were MW and saw how badly our players continued to be during that training exercise you would probably try to either spend all your time trying to get them better and lose any development in attacking drills or change some of the personnel , which I think he did by trying to buy Aberdeen CB. I’m hoping with a better class of defender MW will improve our defence which will in turn not expose our goalkeepers quite so much. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 29, 2020 10:51:48 GMT
Sparx. It does not matter what centre half you bring in the manager does not worry about coaching defenders there fore a solid experienced keeper is a must or we run the risk of ruining a keeper with potential. Just to give MW some semblance of credibility he obviously knows that our current defensive frailties are horrendous and were probably recognised in pre-season. Clive on LFW wrote a piece explaining that he was present at an early pre- season training session involving our first team practicing drills on defending...to basically sum it up he said “ we were terrible “ if if you were MW and saw how badly our players continued to be during that training exercise you would probably try to either spend all your time trying to get them better and lose any development in attacking drills or change some of the personnel , which I think he did by trying to buy Aberdeen CB. I’m hoping with a better class of defender MW will improve our defence which will in turn not expose our goalkeepers quite so much. Clint Hill proper defenders defender said on a podcast that no defensive drills were coached by Warburton when at Rangers. They also scored lots and conceded like we do so it matters not one bit as he does not drill the defence or work them as a unit. Forest similar lots scored and conceded |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jul 29, 2020 10:52:41 GMT
Love him or hate him,we need to get a john terry type in as a coach. Knows how to defend to high standard,won shit doing it and sort our ghosts out at back day in out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 10:59:36 GMT
I get your point mate and am also aware what Clint said but as an after thought were Rangers successful and easy on the eye when MW was there ?
I seem to remember getting them promoted but seemed to stall and got tin-tacked early.
All I’m trying to do 73 is give MW a fair crack at the job before he’s written off.
As you know I’m in 50/50 area with him so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 11:01:43 GMT
Love him or hate him,we need to get a john terry type in as a coach. Knows how to defend to high standard,won shit doing it and sort our ghosts out at back day in out. Also great at taking Penalties |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 29, 2020 11:07:30 GMT
I get your point mate and am also aware what Clint said but as an after thought were Rangers successful and easy on the eye when MW was there ? I seem to remember getting them promoted but seemed to stall and got tin-tacked early. All I’m trying to do 73 is give MW a fair crack at the job before he’s written off. As you know I’m in 50/50 area with him so far. They won the Scottish championship with a budget 50 times of the other teams in it. Got promoted and was given a lesson at Parkhead by Rodgers Celtic side and the writing was on the wall. Again they conceded goal after goal and getting spanked in that old firm game was not good for him. Your point of giving him a chance is right and if he does not want a defensive coach or even him to coach the back four then an experienced keeper to coach them during games is a must as not fair or right to saddle an unproven keeper at this level with that responsibility. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Jul 29, 2020 11:08:28 GMT
Sad to see us debating the worth of our 3rd choice keeper over our 1 and 2. Are we clutching at straws? not as sad as our 3rd chhoice is most likely better than 1st or 2nd. would like him given a run in pre season and the league cup games then assess if he is sound enough to start all games. |
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Post by acricketer on Jul 29, 2020 11:36:57 GMT
Sad to see us debating the worth of our 3rd choice keeper over our 1 and 2. Are we clutching at straws? No worse then watching them clutch at thin air Straws are a start! |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 29, 2020 14:02:22 GMT
Personal thought is Lumley will start in No1 spot next season
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Post by 1973ranger on Jul 29, 2020 17:26:51 GMT
You maybe right Westy but would be slightly disappointed if it turns out that way as would suggest MW slightly suspect in the keeper department.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 29, 2020 19:43:32 GMT
The more I read threads about MW and defending the more I want to ask why have we got a DOF the way I've been told it's supposed to work. If the club wants a defensive coach then MW gets a defensive coach whether he likes it or not, no?
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 29, 2020 20:01:34 GMT
The more I read threads about MW and defending the more I want to ask why have we got a DOF the way I've been told it's supposed to work. If the club wants a defensive coach then MW gets a defensive coach whether he likes it or not, no? Nail on head mate. As I've been saying for a year or so, Les is a DOF in name only. |
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Post by West Acton on Sept 20, 2020 9:43:52 GMT
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 20, 2020 10:09:42 GMT
Good, now give him a chance. He cannot be any worse than Lumley.
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Post by Shania on Sept 20, 2020 10:30:51 GMT
Give him many chances!
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Post by Maidstone_Hoop on Sept 20, 2020 10:34:05 GMT
Definitely deserves his chance now!
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Sept 20, 2020 11:29:02 GMT
Lumley extends
But still missed it by 3 ft
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Sept 20, 2020 11:56:17 GMT
Great news, surely he deserves his chance in the team now.
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 20, 2020 12:10:00 GMT
........his arms and defends a corner. Put him in the team.
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 20, 2020 12:10:31 GMT
Sad to see us debating the worth of our 3rd choice keeper over our 1 and 2. Are we clutching at straws? We have to. Joe and Liam can't. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Sept 20, 2020 12:16:42 GMT
Now play him.
He impressed in pre-season and everywhere he has been on loan.
He's the right age.
All signs point to him not being any worse than Lumley and Kelly, and more likely to be an improvement.
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Post by Tarbie on Sept 20, 2020 13:30:04 GMT
Lee Camp is out of contract. Personally I'd ship out Lumley and bring Camp (or someone similar) in as a more experienced option to Dieng and Kelly.
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 20, 2020 21:48:56 GMT
Sparx. It does not matter what centre half you bring in the manager does not worry about coaching defenders there fore a solid experienced keeper is a must or we run the risk of ruining a keeper with potential. A solid keeper improves CBs. A keeper that commands his area takes a lot of pressure off. It's all in front of him. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 24, 2020 16:53:42 GMT
Two clean sheets in a row and possibly MOTM today. Do we finally have a proper goalkeeper? Great anticipation at reading flight of the ball, commands his backline, instills confidence, good distribution, good shot stopper, strong hands, good catcher, and still improving.
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