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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 11:04:03 GMT
More specifically should it be a requirement as part of any business linkup they engage in with a betting company
Example:
At a time when there's a big clampdown on certain things within that industry.
Just heard on the radio football is being described as a walking gambling advert.
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Post by hubble on Aug 9, 2019 11:14:21 GMT
I think it's fairly disgraceful that the club is involved with promoted gambling in this way.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 9, 2019 11:16:40 GMT
I appreciate the wider context, but 'encouragement' is a subjective word. Is it really that or simply the advertising of an available service? The terminology matters here, agreed?
Yes, for some gambling is an addiction that people need help for. but for others it's not and just a bit of fun and recreation. They would argue it's about taking responsibility for your personal choices.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 11:20:29 GMT
I appreciate the wider context, but 'encouragement' is a subjective word. Is it really that or simply the advertising of an available service? The terminology matters here, agreed? Yes, for some gambling is an addiction that people need help for. but for others it's not and just a bit of fun and recreation. They would argue it's about taking responsibility for your personal choices. Some would argue people are easily led. Advertisers know this. Didn't formula 1 take a stand against gambling and tobacco ads?
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 9, 2019 11:25:44 GMT
Some would argue people are easily led. Advertisers know this. Absolutely. But does this really negate the above counter-argument to that? The degree to which some are easily led will be offset by the pro-individual choice, pro-personal responsibility line.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 9, 2019 11:26:38 GMT
We’re adults we can make our own decisions. Should club encourage us to buy beer? Where does it end
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 11:39:38 GMT
Some would argue people are easily led. Advertisers know this. Absolutely. But does this really negate the above counter-argument to that? The degree to which some are easily led will be offset by the pro-individual choice, pro-personal responsibility line. In an ideal world, of course. But this isn't and thats why tobacco advertising is banned, betting ads being clamped down on (banned before TV watershed now aren't they?) etc
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Post by Corbray on Aug 9, 2019 11:40:26 GMT
We’re adults we can make our own decisions. Should club encourage us to buy beer? Where does it end kinda agree with your sentiment but at the same time its not as clear cut and easy as that. i was a drug addict for a few years and only got clean last year, i never intended to become an addict but it happened without me realising and i had to get help to get clean. i can see the OP's point that promoting gambling might be a bit risky as i'm sure there must be QPR fans who are gambling addicts/recovering and being around stuff like that makes it easy to relapse back into it. maybe if royal panda booths employed a card only and a £20 limit it'd at least be a bit regulated at the stadium
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 11:40:38 GMT
We’re adults we can make our own decisions. Should club encourage us to buy beer? Where does it end I don't get what you're saying here mate 😂 are you for or against?
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 9, 2019 11:46:25 GMT
I disagree mate. If people want to gamble they should be able to. And as such, betting companies are well within their rights to advertise just as any other business would.
But I am also a believer that that the UK is a nanny state these days. I think people on the whole need to pull on the big boy trousers and be responsible for their own actions and decisions, even if they do end up coming a cropper.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 9, 2019 11:47:59 GMT
I think it's fairly disgraceful that the club is involved with promoted gambling in this way. Yet you are an advocate of crypto-currency investment, which is in fact no different at all to spread-betting?
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 9, 2019 11:50:26 GMT
In an ideal world, of course. But this isn't and thats why tobacco advertising is banned Is tobacco really a fair comparison though? Just 1 single cigarette is harmful to your health. We all know this. But 1 single flutter on a Saturday afternoon at the football is certainly not harmful to the health of a person who's not a gambling addict. Indeed, it can have its benefits.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 9, 2019 12:10:16 GMT
In an ideal world, of course. But this isn't and thats why tobacco advertising is banned Is tobacco really a fair comparison though? Just 1 single cigarette is harmful to your health. We all know this. But 1 single flutter on a Saturday afternoon at the football is certainly not harmful to the health of a person who's not a gambling addict. Indeed, it can have its benefits. Alcohol is without a doubt potentially far more harmful to an individual and certainly more detrimental to society than gambling. Yet you can get a drink nearly 24/7 in pretty much any part of London these days. Almost everyone I know partakes in a good drink at least once a week, most even more frequently than that. Who decides what vices need to be policed, and which ones are fair game? Personally I think everything (within reason) should be down to individual choice. As human beings we are drawn towards activities that carry an element of risk. As long as the only person you are putting at risk is yourself, I think people should be left to make their own choices.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 12:15:54 GMT
Is tobacco really a fair comparison though? Just 1 single cigarette is harmful to your health. We all know this. But 1 single flutter on a Saturday afternoon at the football is certainly not harmful to the health of a person who's not a gambling addict. Indeed, it can have its benefits. Alcohol is without a doubt potentially far more harmful to an individual and certainly more detrimental to society than gambling. Yet you can get a drink nearly 24/7 in pretty much any part of London these days. Almost everyone I know partakes in a good drink at least once a week, most even more frequently than that. Who decides what vices need to be policed, and which ones are fair game? Personally I think everything (within reason) should be down to individual choice. As human beings we are drawn towards activities that carry an element of risk. As long as the only person you are putting at risk is yourself, I think people should be left to make their own choices. Just to point out this isn't about whether you do want a bet, drink, smoke or whatever. This is more about a community institution such as a football club, with a wide ranging following, plugging the betting companies. It's not about telling people what they can or can't do, completely fine with that. Interested to see people's views.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 9, 2019 12:27:33 GMT
Fair enough mate.
I'm just a believer that people should be afforded as much freedom in their life as possible, as long as that freedom doesn't directly harm others. I'm not a fan of censorship, prohibition or in fact anything that involves the government telling people what they can and can't do (aside from activities that directly harm others).
Life is short, I believe that we should be allowed to live our lives as we see fit. It's half the reason I live in Africa. There is so much freedom here it is bordering on chaos, but I'd take it over a nanny state any day of the week!
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Post by West Acton on Aug 9, 2019 12:43:54 GMT
At the end of the day the club get money from this. We have to make ends meet so if we have a club sponsor who is betting company or drinks deal so be it in my book. I personally next year would sell name of stadium too
Plenty criticise club for how it’s run but this I’m sure is valuable funding stream.
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Post by BrightonR on Aug 9, 2019 13:13:53 GMT
At the end of the day the club get money from this. We have to make ends meet so if we have a club sponsor who is betting company or drinks deal so be it in my book. I personally next year would sell name of stadium tooPlenty criticise club for how it’s run but this I’m sure is valuable funding stream. What odds will you give me on it being called “Fancy a Flutter Field”?
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Post by hubble on Aug 9, 2019 13:22:26 GMT
I think it's fairly disgraceful that the club is involved with promoted gambling in this way. Yet you are an advocate of crypto-currency investment, which is in fact no different at all to spread-betting? Apples and oranges mate. Cryptocurrency investment - carried out sensibly - has a reasonable likelihood of reward and is no different to investing in any other stock or share. Spread-betting and gambling as we know it carries a far higher risk. Otherwise how would the bookies be so bloody successful? The kind of gambling we're talking about here appeals to the addictive part of the brain, it relates to instantaneous hits and easily ramps up if not controlled by sense. Of course there's an element of that in any form of investment, but the clue to the difference is in the word investment.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 9, 2019 14:37:34 GMT
This is more about a community institution such as a football club, with a wide ranging following, plugging the betting companies. That's what I'm questioning though Old Bean - the plugging as you put it. The bottom line is it's a business transaction between two commercial entities. I'm just struggling to see the problem with that, for the reasons given earlier.
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Post by esoxlucius on Aug 9, 2019 15:49:03 GMT
It's not so much the gambling addict / alcoholic / heavy smoker themselves that are the issue; as stated above they have the right to do whatever the fuck they want with their lives but it is the family and friends that suffer through no fault of their own. Wife & kids going without food because there is no money etc. Physical abuse in the case of drink & drugs is common, and who has to pick up the bill for treatment? It is a thorny subject.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 17:16:02 GMT
Disappointing news with the new shirt sponsor
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 29, 2020 17:20:11 GMT
Club is a business not a councillor. People moan we live in a nanny state.
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Post by Shania on Jan 29, 2020 17:33:23 GMT
A highly questionable choice of sponsor imo.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 29, 2020 17:33:50 GMT
Club is a business not a councillor. People moan we live in a nanny state. Exactly. If someone has a gambling addiction, that's not a football club's problem, as harsh as that sounds. Primarily a club needs to make money, and if the deal is beneficial for the club then that's what'll happen. Just the money-minded nature of the game now.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 29, 2020 17:46:15 GMT
Where do we stop,fast food ,drink,sweets,gay people on telly,life is all about choice,you take your choice and live with all that comes with it. People love to blame. If you drink to much,its your fault,not the bloke running the pub.
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Post by lymehoop on Jan 29, 2020 18:38:20 GMT
A highly questionable choice of sponsor imo. agree Shania, but it seems the whole football league is being sponsored by betting companies
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Post by esoxlucius on Jan 29, 2020 18:44:21 GMT
Is tobacco really a fair comparison though? Just 1 single cigarette is harmful to your health. We all know this. But 1 single flutter on a Saturday afternoon at the football is certainly not harmful to the health of a person who's not a gambling addict. Indeed, it can have its benefits. Alcohol is without a doubt potentially far more harmful to an individual and certainly more detrimental to society than gambling. Yet you can get a drink nearly 24/7 in pretty much any part of London these days. Almost everyone I know partakes in a good drink at least once a week, most even more frequently than that. Who decides what vices need to be policed, and which ones are fair game? Personally I think everything (within reason) should be down to individual choice. As human beings we are drawn towards activities that carry an element of risk. As long as the only person you are putting at risk is yourself, I think people should be left to make their own choices. This is the first returned result on Google for "Can gambling affect your family?" www.lawyerment.com/library/articles/Self_Improvement/Addictions/1068.htm It is all well and good saying it but the addicts won't see that it IS harming their family and social life. I have been very lucky throughout my life to have not been in possession of an addictive personality but my wifes sister was addicted to scratch off cards to the tune of spending her weeks wages on them through the course of the week and was once suspended from work for stealing some from the dispensing station. When confronted by her family and relations about it she just got angry and belligerent claiming she could stop any time she wanted but it was her bit of "fun" in life. It's all well and good saying individual choice should be the parameter for gambling but not everyone is strong willed and that should not be a reason for tossing them to the wolves because they aren't as strong willed as you. Empathy, Tarbs, Empathy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 18:49:44 GMT
Where do we stop,fast food ,drink,sweets,gay people on telly,life is all about choice,you take your choice and live with all that comes with it. People love to blame. If you drink to much,its your fault,not the bloke running the pub. They've clamped down on betting adverts recently. Those roulette terminals in shops now have a £2 max stake limit. Definitely a problem in this country that now being taken seriously.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 29, 2020 18:50:15 GMT
We cant save everyone.
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Post by Shania on Jan 29, 2020 18:51:23 GMT
A highly questionable choice of sponsor imo. agree Shania, but it seems the whole football league is being sponsored by betting companies Aha. Money talks.
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