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Post by acricketer on Aug 21, 2019 21:17:00 GMT
I'm up for it! Already feeling the buzz, looking forward to this one! How do you feel now?!!!  |
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Post by hal9thou on Aug 21, 2019 21:29:48 GMT
Gets them playing some lovely football and they defend like fucking children. Unfortunately you have to put the horse before the cart. Defending comes first. People kept saying on here during the window that CB wasn't a problem... You can be as trick and beautiful as you like but if you can't defend it just doesn't count. Ask any Arsenal supporter. You do your drills and you get the calls right until you know them in your sleep. Then its attack vs defence. And you do nothing else until you start keeping clean sheets. Basic coaching. End of. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 21, 2019 21:31:57 GMT
How do you coach defence for manning corner which led to the first?
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Post by BrightonR on Aug 21, 2019 21:32:50 GMT
We played some blinding football at times, but absolutely gifted them 3 points with dreadful defending and some utterly atrocious play in front of goal.
Think MW needs to start showing that those consistently falling short of admittedly high standards, should expect to be dropped.
Lumley and Barbet definitely need it pointing out. Joe had hardly anything to do and failed to do it.
Think we need to start with two up front Saturday and sacrifice either Amos or Smith. Having both in there is a real hindrance.
Failure to put Wigan to the sword will see us start to lose all confidence IMO and make it a real tough slog going forwards. Thrash them as we are well capable of doing and it’ll show them how good they can be if on message.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:36:18 GMT
How do you coach defence for manning corner which led to the first? You cannot coach for that but you can coach a centre half how not to concede penalties each game. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 21, 2019 21:36:37 GMT
Amos might be out anyway so decision might be made for him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:37:26 GMT
Just do not play Scowen instead of him.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 21, 2019 21:38:32 GMT
Just do not play Scowen instead of him. that’s my fear |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 21, 2019 21:39:11 GMT
Really like Pugh would like to see him fitted into the side. Looks very smart
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 21, 2019 21:40:41 GMT
How do you coach defence for manning corner which led to the first? It wasn't the corner that led to the goal, but the cock up following it where Smith lost possession. But yes it was a poor corner. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 21, 2019 21:44:42 GMT
The corner never bounced in The box it was going out for a throw nearer the half way line then then the keepers line. It put us on the back foot, all out of position and indirectly started the build up to the goal
To over hit a corner like that is unforgivable
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Post by acricketer on Aug 21, 2019 21:45:27 GMT
The corner never bounced in The box it was going out for a throw nearer the half way line then then the keepers line. It put us on the back foot, all out of position and indirectly started the build up to the goal To over hit a corner like that is unforgivable I will never forgive him. |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 21, 2019 22:07:12 GMT
Flattering to deceive so far this season. Knock the ball around nicely but we don't take our chances and our defenders are so busy trying to play football that they've forgotten their primary job is to defend.
We need to improve drastically at each end of the pitch or this is going to be a long season!
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Post by James1979 on Aug 21, 2019 22:19:08 GMT
Where was Ball? Injured?
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 21, 2019 22:21:44 GMT
I think he's fine, but just behind Amos and Cameron in the pecking order. Geoffrey wasn't at his best tonight in a 4-1-4-1. |
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Post by Rangers77 on Aug 21, 2019 22:31:49 GMT
Just saw the goals on TV. What the fack was that penalty? What a plank. And such shit defending for their third. BFG in for that moron. Four stupid goals he's cost us.
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Post by hubble on Aug 21, 2019 22:55:22 GMT
I'm up for it! Already feeling the buzz, looking forward to this one! How do you feel now?!!! You know what? Positive. There was so much to like on display out there tonight and we really deserved to win that game. |
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Post by BrightonR on Aug 21, 2019 23:46:22 GMT
How do you feel now?!!! You know what? Positive. There was so much to like on display out there tonight and we really deserved to win that game. As shocking as those 3 attempts at defending were, I have to admit to not being as angry as I would usually be. We play some absolutely beautiful football at times. Way better than I have seen for quite some time. If only we were able to finish a higher percentage of our opportunities, I think that we’d be heading for a great season. So many reasons to feel optimistic, but the cold hard reality is that we need to defend properly and take our chances. The players really need to step it up a gear in that regard, but deserve an awful lot of credit for the entertainment that they are producing. I was beginning to think that managers and players were forgetting that’s why people go to football matches. |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 22, 2019 4:36:42 GMT
You know what? Positive. There was so much to like on display out there tonight and we really deserved to win that game. As shocking as those 3 attempts at defending were, I have to admit to not being as angry as I would usually be. We play some absolutely beautiful football at times. Way better than I have seen for quite some time. If only we were able to finish a higher percentage of our opportunities, I think that we’d be heading for a great season. So many reasons to feel optimistic, but the cold hard reality is that we need to defend properly and take our chances. The players really need to step it up a gear in that regard, but deserve an awful lot of credit for the entertainment that they are producing. I was beginning to think that managers and players were forgetting that’s why people go to football matches. Mate, as nice as it is to see us stroking the ball around, its utterly futile unless we can find a way to translate it into 3 points. I'd honestly rather see us play hoofball and win a game 1-0! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 5:55:54 GMT
Just saw the goals on TV. What the fack was that penalty? What a plank. And such shit defending for their third. BFG in for that moron. Four stupid goals he's cost us. Barbet is not the answer and seen enough to know he is slow and gets caught the wrong side too often. Maybe when Waĺlace is fit he may improve but he will not make him run any faster. BFG needs bringing back on Saturday to organise this back line. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Aug 22, 2019 6:02:33 GMT
I wouldn't! As above I came away from the game feeling disappointed that we didn't win but delighted at the football I had seen. One of the regulars behind where I sit made it to his first game of the season last night due to being away with the army and afterwards, his first words were "Mate, that's some of the best football I've seen us play in years". I doubt there were any QPR fans last night who didn't think they had their money's worth. None of us expected to to doing much else other than fighting against relegation this season before it started, and it may still end up that way but it is a real pleasure to attend games at the moment compared to previous seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 6:11:39 GMT
Agree to a point, But our lack of being able to defwnd undoes all the easy on the attacking play. 2 pens at home in 2 games and the carnage at Bristol City for 2bd goal means we are in for a slog unless the defence is sorted out.
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Post by esoxlucius on Aug 22, 2019 6:18:17 GMT
We played some blinding football at times, but absolutely gifted them 3 points with dreadful defending and some utterly atrocious play in front of goal. Think MW needs to start showing that those consistently falling short of admittedly high standards, should expect to be dropped. Lumley and Barbet definitely need it pointing out. Joe had hardly anything to do and failed to do it. Think we need to start with two up front Saturday and sacrifice either Amos or Smith. Having both in there is a real hindrance. Failure to put Wigan to the sword will see us start to lose all confidence IMO and make it a real tough slog going forwards. Thrash them as we are well capable of doing and it’ll show them how good they can be if on message. He saved a certain goal by reacting rapidly to a long ball knocked over the top for their 9 and beat him to it comfortably. He also threw a peach of a long ball to BOS after a decent save. His early kicking was poor and did unsettle him for a bit but it definitely improved after that. He is still our best goalkeeper and anyone who thinks that Kelly should be starting in front of him is in for a shock when that actually happens. |
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 22, 2019 7:15:53 GMT
Frustrating game. First 15 minutes, we absolutely battered them. Eze and Samuel were taking the piss and it was brilliant with high pressing and creating chances (without really testing the keeper).
Then we try something from a corner, doesn't work and they break. Our bloke chasing pulls a hammy so they are through on goal and finish it well.
Last 5 minytes or so we are all over them again. Second half, start brilliantly again and have attempts off the bar, off the line, near misses etc and then we finally score. Place is bouncing and we nearly get another and momentum is well and truly with us and my 3-1 bet has a chance.
Then, Barbet decides 'fuck this, I prefer losing' and does the dumbest tackle in the box since the last home game and gives away another penalty. All they have to do is hit the target as Lumley can't save penalties.
Losing 2-1, chasing the game and they get another one due to lazy marking. Game over.
Depends on your view point but I would say a draw would be fair.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 22, 2019 7:19:11 GMT
I wouldn't! As above I came away from the game feeling disappointed that we didn't win but delighted at the football I had seen. One of the regulars behind where I sit made it to his first game of the season last night due to being away with the army and afterwards, his first words were "Mate, that's some of the best football I've seen us play in years". I doubt there were any QPR fans last night who didn't think they had their money's worth. None of us expected to to doing much else other than fighting against relegation this season before it started, and it may still end up that way but it is a real pleasure to attend games at the moment compared to previous seasons. Each to their own mate. Personally I put winning above everything else. Can pass it around as much you like, that ain't winning you the league (or even close to it) unless you do the basics right in either box! |
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 22, 2019 7:26:43 GMT
I don't see why it is one or the other. Basic defending is the same with whatever style of play you have. Barbet would still have dived in like that if the tactics were to pump it long. Cut the silly mistakes and we'll be okay but then that is easier said than done.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 22, 2019 7:37:05 GMT
Depends on your view point but I would say a draw would be fair. Let's be realistic - the bottom line is Swansea deserved to win because they were clinical in front of goal and we weren't. If we'd been equally as clinical and better at defending then yes, a draw would have been a fair result, but they bettered us in both those areas. |
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 22, 2019 7:42:01 GMT
Depends on your view point but I would say a draw would be fair. Let's be realistic - the bottom line is Swansea deserved to win because they were clinical in front of goal and we weren't. If we'd been equally as clinical and better at defending then yes, a draw would have been a fair result, but they bettered us in both those areas. Well of course we can always go by the 'they scored more so deserved to win' logic and it is 100% right in a factual, what get's you points way. We didn't get outplayed or disgraced. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Aug 22, 2019 7:43:11 GMT
I wouldn't! As above I came away from the game feeling disappointed that we didn't win but delighted at the football I had seen. One of the regulars behind where I sit made it to his first game of the season last night due to being away with the army and afterwards, his first words were "Mate, that's some of the best football I've seen us play in years". I doubt there were any QPR fans last night who didn't think they had their money's worth. None of us expected to to doing much else other than fighting against relegation this season before it started, and it may still end up that way but it is a real pleasure to attend games at the moment compared to previous seasons. Each to their own mate. Personally I put winning above everything else. Can pass it around as much you like, that ain't winning you the league (or even close to it) unless you do the basics right in either box! As I keep banging on; we have a team full of youngsters, freebies and loanees who have never played together before. We aren't going to win all our games but I would rather we lose in the style we are playing than win ugly. Give this team three years and we will be a very good football. If we revert to type and start booing our own players and demanding changes all the time we will NEVER progress. As an analogy; when you plant a tomato seed, for example, you don't expect to pick tomatoes off after a month or two. You water it, nurture it, feed it when necessary and then when all the preparation and growing has been done you reap the fruits of your labours. You don't pull it out by the roots after a couple of months because you can't pick the tomatoes do you? I am loving the way that we play a lot more than the results but I wouldn't change a bit of it. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 22, 2019 7:43:47 GMT
Depends on your view point but I would say a draw would be fair. Let's be realistic - the bottom line is Swansea deserved to win because they were clinical in front of goal and we weren't. If we'd been equally as clinical and better at defending then yes, a draw would have been a fair result, but they bettered us in both those areas. agree think Swansea worthy of the win. We had loads of ball and done next to nothing with it in danger area they took their opportunities and nailed us. Opposite of season when we done them by four, when they had all the ball and done nothing with it and we sang it’s like watching paint dry |
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