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Post by Tarbie on Jan 13, 2020 8:52:31 GMT
Personally I think it's this modern trend of asking goalkeepers to play with the ball at their feet. Easy to make a keeper look dodgy if you ask them to do things that are beyond their abilities! that's been my point all along Tarbs. Not fair on the guy, has affected his whole game. That said, even Peter Kaye can welly a ball! Agree mate. It's a crazy mindset. Manager's up and down the country at all levels trying to play total football. All well and good if you have a squad full of world class players that are comfortable with the ball at their feet. Utter madness if you have a squad that's been put together for next to nothing on 1 of the smallest wage bills in the Championship. |
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Post by spongeparr on Jan 13, 2020 8:57:47 GMT
that's been my point all along Tarbs. Not fair on the guy, has affected his whole game. That said, even Peter Kaye can welly a ball! Agree mate. It's a crazy mindset. Manager's up and down the country at all levels trying to play total football. All well and good if you have a squad full of world class players that are comfortable with the ball at their feet. Utter madness if you have a squad that's been put together for next to nothing on 1 of the smallest wage bills in the Championship. Problem is, kicking isn't the only thing that Lumley is doing wrong. His shot stopping is hit and miss, his handling doesn't inspire confidence. Kelly hasn't really impressed but you would think Dieng might be worth a shot; though our fanbase soon ruins a young players confidence. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 13, 2020 9:00:35 GMT
Other then his size why do people not rate Kelly?
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 13, 2020 9:01:41 GMT
Agree mate. It's a crazy mindset. Manager's up and down the country at all levels trying to play total football. All well and good if you have a squad full of world class players that are comfortable with the ball at their feet. Utter madness if you have a squad that's been put together for next to nothing on 1 of the smallest wage bills in the Championship. Problem is, kicking isn't the only thing that Lumley is doing wrong. His shot stopping is hit and miss, his handling doesn't inspire confidence. Kelly hasn't really impressed but you would think Dieng might be worth a shot; though our fanbase soon ruins a young players confidence. Don't disagree mate. Lumley is a great shot stopper, as good as anyone else at this level in my opinion. He's also massive, which is a great attribute for a keeper. He isn't anywhere near good enough at commanding his area though, and clearly his kicking game is very hit and miss. |
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Post by spongeparr on Jan 13, 2020 9:04:07 GMT
Problem is, kicking isn't the only thing that Lumley is doing wrong. His shot stopping is hit and miss, his handling doesn't inspire confidence. Kelly hasn't really impressed but you would think Dieng might be worth a shot; though our fanbase soon ruins a young players confidence. Don't disagree mate. Lumley is a great shot stopper, as good as anyone else at this level in my opinion. He's also massive, which is a great attribute for a keeper. He isn't anywhere near good enough at commanding his area though, and clearly his kicking game is very hit and miss. Have to disagree with this. He gets beat too often from distance due to slow reactions. He has the ability to make great saves but all keepers do, but he has let too many long shots in where they go above, below or through his hands. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 13, 2020 9:04:46 GMT
Tarbs I’m not convinced he is great shot stopper he’s let plenty in he should have kept out. He does pull of great saves but every keeper does that it’s there job.
He’s an average capable keeper that’s it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 9:09:39 GMT
Lumley is so low on confidence he needs time not playing. Problem is, you also need to be playin to stay sharp. Look at Ingram, was dropped to come out of the limelight but then was rusty when played in the cup games and never got his spot back. A lot of dodgy keepers around at the moment though. Be great if we could get one in the window. Personally I think it's this modern trend of asking goalkeepers to play with the ball at their feet. Easy to make a keeper look dodgy if you ask them to do things that are beyond their abilities! Joe Hart being an example. |
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Post by lymehoop on Jan 13, 2020 11:05:36 GMT
trouble is we've had some great keepers in the past. Springett, Parkes, Seaman, Stjescal, Smithies. Lumley stands out like a sore thumb
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 13, 2020 11:25:38 GMT
I don't think he's as bad as some suggest. He does a lot right. Problem is as a keeper, you need to do virtually everything right. I agree that it's time for a change though. Whether that is playing Kelly for the remainder of the season, or signing someone else.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 13, 2020 12:02:43 GMT
What does he do consistently right Tarbs? Not great kicker, don’t really come for crosses, slow to distribute the ball in the main and known for letting soft goals in. Only thing left for a keeper is command of his area.
I sit too far away to have opinion on that but Esox vouched that hes very vocal so give him that
That’s not description of keeper getting most things right
I’ve chatted with him and he’s defo a nice genuine guy who is great with the fans. Strikes me as a bit hyper and joker perhaps needs step back and just focus on being a keeper and let everything else go on around him. Saturday when he left pitch after warm up he’s trying gee fans up, I don’t want that, I want him focused on keeping ball out net and clearing his lines when needed. Perhaps part of his problem is he’s to preoccupied with what’s going on off pitch so not focused on what’s happening on it
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2020 12:21:13 GMT
What does he do consistently right Tarbs? Not great kicker, don’t really come for crosses, slow to distribute the ball in the main and known for letting soft goals in. Only thing left for a keeper is command of his area. I sit too far away to have opinion on that but Esox vouched that hes very vocal so give him that That’s not description of keeper getting most things right I’ve chatted with him and he’s defo a nice genuine guy who is great with the fans. Strikes me as a bit hyper and joker perhaps needs step back and just focus on being a keeper and let everything else go on around him. Saturday when he left pitch after warm up he’s trying gee fans up, I don’t want that, I want him focused on keeping ball out net and clearing his lines when needed. Perhaps part of his problem is he’s to preoccupied with what’s going on off pitch so not focused on what’s happening on it So we have gone full circle from my thread opener,he lacks concentration,self belief and consistency .With the clangers that he has made the way back for him at Rangers is going to be hard,he had a chance with that wonderful assist against Swansea but along come Brentford and it all goes out the window.
I don't think he can afford any more cock ups this season as in my experience the crowd will turn on him big time.
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 13, 2020 13:21:19 GMT
Fair enough Westy, but I've seen far worse keepers at Loftus Road over the years, and in general at this level of football. Whilst he's nearly 25 years old, so no longer really a youngster, he was very much a late bloomer so he's still learning the professional game. I just think there is enough ability there that he could make a top keeper with the right guidance.
The above doesn't mean we should persevere with him when it isn't going right though. It's definitely time for a change.
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Post by spongeparr on Jan 13, 2020 14:28:46 GMT
My Brentford support friend genuinely asked me if he is our usual number 1 or was he covering someone. I like Lumley, he has passion and came through (partially) through our training so I want him to succeed I just do not think he will. But that's my opinion and don't expect everyone (or anyone) to agree with me.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 14, 2020 9:22:41 GMT
Just seen he's come back last night on Twitter, apologising for making so many mistakes.
Also stressed that he always gives his all for the team.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 14, 2020 9:29:00 GMT
Fair play to him if he has and it’s good he’s willing to accept responsibility instead of make excuses like others have been trying to do on his behalf blaming wind, defence and style of play.
First part of fixing a problem is accepting there is problem in the first place so respect to him
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 14, 2020 9:35:02 GMT
Just seen he's come back last night on Twitter, apologising for making so many mistakes. Also stressed that he always gives his all for the team. Big mistake imo. Especially the apologising bit - that's just asking for more trouble. Sounds like either he's been very poorly advised about the nature of Twatter, or he's ignoring said advice. And as if he would not be "giving his all for the team" - duh!! |
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Post by itsonlyagame on Jan 14, 2020 10:33:31 GMT
Just seen he's come back last night on Twitter, apologising for making so many mistakes. Also stressed that he always gives his all for the team. Big mistake imo. Especially the apologising bit - that's just asking for more trouble. Sounds like either he's been very poorly advised about the nature of Twatter, or he's ignoring said advice. And as if he would not be "giving his all for the team" - duh!! To be fair Stan, the way some have torn into him gives the impression they think he chooses to make mistakes so he has every right to remind them that they are genuine mistakes. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 14, 2020 11:15:26 GMT
Just seen he's come back last night on Twitter, apologising for making so many mistakes. Also stressed that he always gives his all for the team. Big mistake imo. Especially the apologising bit - that's just asking for more trouble. Sounds like either he's been very poorly advised about the nature of Twatter, or he's ignoring said advice. And as if he would not be "giving his all for the team" - duh!! I'd imagine the relentless abuse he's received has prompted the apology, and I'd also imagine there have been plenty of tweets in that abuse saying he isn't bothered. Got to remember hes still a young player and this has probably affected him. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 14, 2020 11:19:52 GMT
the way some have torn into him gives the impression they think he chooses to make mistakes That's exactly my point Itso and Ginge. How brain-dead must anyone be to reach such a conclusion? Furthermore, anyone with a modicum of intelligence would understand that of course he never chooses to make mistakes. Again, which is why he'd be far better off not suffering fools in the first place by avoiding such a toxic platform like the plague. Indeed take a sensible leaf out of his team-mate's (Scowen) book and steer well clear. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jan 14, 2020 11:20:20 GMT
Other then his size why do people not rate Kelly? He seems to be rather slow in low diving. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jan 14, 2020 11:33:35 GMT
Other then his size why do people not rate Kelly? He seems to be rather slow in low diving. He is also rather low in slow diving. By the way, I have seen it said that the reignited twitter account is fake. Can anyone confirm? |
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Post by Brian Wilson on Jan 14, 2020 12:11:01 GMT
He seems to be rather slow in low diving. He is also rather low in slow diving. By the way, I have seen it said that the reignited twitter account is fake. Can anyone confirm? I think it actually is fake. Some proper idiots out there. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 14, 2020 22:23:52 GMT
Plenty of them around!
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 17, 2020 15:23:33 GMT
The last keeper in a QPR team that got promoted from this division... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 16:05:05 GMT
Green was pony amd made more howlers than good games for us. Dunney was motm at Wembley and helped Green out big time that season.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 17, 2020 16:35:15 GMT
The last keeper in a QPR team that got promoted from this division... you rate green Lumley or both?? Not sure what point your trying to make Patrick Ageymang got promoted with QPR!! |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 17, 2020 18:39:39 GMT
From our keepers over the last decade, personally I'd put Green in 4th place behind Kenny, Smithies and Cerny.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 17, 2020 18:56:13 GMT
Cerny underrated he was solid enough. I thought Heaton was good too we under used him
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 17, 2020 19:27:07 GMT
Yes, would have included Heaton too but that was in the noughties.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 17, 2020 19:31:04 GMT
Wow was it time flies
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