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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 23, 2022 8:42:12 GMT
Dykes and Dickie both are 26. I thought we were talking about 23 yo players. And no matter where they are from if we developed them. I was. You brought them up. Have you got some competition going with Westy to see who can jump on my posts first? |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 23, 2022 8:43:08 GMT
Kehinde is a good player, but it's probably just his agent trying to get some interest. Don't think he'll come our way. Not if he’s got any sense. He’ll get shipped out on loan to non-league in the name of development. Either our youngsters are no good or we’re a graveyard for youth. Who’s made a breakthrough this season? No one. We’ve had a problem at LB. Aaron Drewe (21, so a man) got a few minutes in a League Cup game then got loaned out, didn’t even get a chance to cover. And we really improved Hämäläinen didn’t we? Gubbins, Owens, Bettache, SD-M etc. any good or wasting our time? We bought Kelman and Masterson - if we don’t rate them who scouted and signed them? Is Armstrong any good or just hype? All should be on the bench sometime and knocking on the door. Sorry, but I won’t be getting excited about MW staying on. In case you missed it. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Apr 23, 2022 8:48:04 GMT
Dykes and Dickie both are 26. I thought we were talking about 23 yo players. And no matter where they are from if we developed them. I was. You brought them up. Have you got some competition going with Westy to see who can jump on my posts first? I did not mention them but Willock and Dunne who both were 23 when we brought them. Same age Kehinde is now. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 23, 2022 9:20:51 GMT
Chris Willock, Jimmy Dunne. We have developed them massively. Same age as Kehinde. Think he would pray on his knees to get to us. ? |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Apr 23, 2022 9:32:05 GMT
Chris Willock, Jimmy Dunne. We have developed them massively. Same age as Kehinde. Think he would pray on his knees to get to us. ? Willock and Dunne are different persons than Dykes and Dickie. |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 23, 2022 9:42:02 GMT
Dykes and Dickie both are 26. I thought we were talking about 23 yo players. And no matter where they are from if we developed them. I was. You brought them up. Have you got some competition going with Westy to see who can jump on my posts first? talked shit get banged Laws of the street |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 23, 2022 10:05:10 GMT
IMO Alan makes a valid point about our youth players and their development.
The other names mentioned: Dykes, Willock, Dickie and Dunne obviously do not fall into that category, so it's a red herring attempt to fudge the argument by using them as examples.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Apr 23, 2022 10:17:53 GMT
IMO Alan makes a valid point about our youth players and their development. The other names mentioned: Dykes, Willock, Dickie and Dunne obviously do not fall into that category, so it's a red herring attempt to fudge the argument by using them as examples. He referred Kehinde as a youngster. He's 24 in June. Therefore Willock and Dunne who are about the same age. Don't know why Alan started talking about Dickie and Dykes. |
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Post by sparks on Apr 23, 2022 10:24:52 GMT
I won’t be soiling my diapers calling for MW head next season if he plucks up the courage to introduce some of the youngsters, it’s what other teams do or am I mistaken.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 23, 2022 10:28:43 GMT
IMO Alan makes a valid point about our youth players and their development. The other names mentioned: Dykes, Willock, Dickie and Dunne obviously do not fall into that category, so it's a red herring attempt to fudge the argument by using them as examples. He referred Kehinde as a youngster. He's 24 in June. Therefore Willock and Dunne who are about the same age. Don't know why Alan started talking about Dickie and Dykes. Fair point. Perhaps he didn't realise that's his age as the article refers to him as an "U21 international", but I'll let him defend that  |
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Post by 1qprdk on Apr 23, 2022 10:42:11 GMT
Maybe Alan reached an age where he needs a wingman to go with the zimmerframe 🤣
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Post by sparks on Apr 23, 2022 11:01:27 GMT
When MW was asked about injuries ahead of the Stoke game today he said Hendrick may make the subs bench.
During a recent interview with Paul Furlong he was asked who he thought could step up from the U23s into the first team, he nominated a winger in Joseph Ajose,why is he not being considered for todays must win game over Hendrick.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 23, 2022 11:36:14 GMT
Our new training ground is meant to be ready for next season. Might help attract players? More about who is training them. Will take a long time to get a good reputation for developing players. I’m not sure anyone outside the club would flag us up as a desirable destination yet. Logically, yes, I'd agree. But many of the players will be young impressionable lads who may perhaps be persuaded by a nice bit of 'bling'... it can only help. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 23, 2022 13:21:16 GMT
Chris Willock, Jimmy Dunne. We have developed them massively. Same age as Kehinde. Think he would pray on his knees to get to us. Read my response to this and you might get it. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Apr 23, 2022 13:26:42 GMT
Chris Willock, Jimmy Dunne. We have developed them massively. Same age as Kehinde. Think he would pray on his knees to get to us. Read my response to this and you might get it. Your response was a question mark. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 23, 2022 13:44:31 GMT
Chris Willock, Jimmy Dunne. We have developed them massively. Same age as Kehinde. Think he would pray on his knees to get to us. Jimmy Dunne came from a Prem club where he would have been schooled well and fitted straight in. Willock was always thought to be the best of the three brothers and is no kid. Natural talent. Have we developed Dickie? Getting worse. Have we developed Dykes?😂😂 Chair needs a good coach desperately - lots of talent, plateaued. Amos, left out or regularly subbed instead of playing him in the correct role. Hardly development. Where are the youngsters - even the 20-23 year old men - knocking the door down for a place? It’s a myth, and amazing that so many buy into it. Here you go. Fed up with childish games now. |
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Post by sparks on Apr 26, 2022 8:35:30 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 26, 2022 10:29:24 GMT
I think that’s a bigger question than the U18/23. When did we last take a dangerous freekick? I’d say yes.
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Post by sparks on Apr 26, 2022 10:56:25 GMT
I think that’s a bigger question than the U18/23. When did we last take a dangerous freekick? I’d say yes. Or as you have cleverly picked out earlier this season completed a basic throw-in routine leading to keeping possession. |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 6, 2022 15:27:22 GMT
Looks like we are clearing the decks and lumping a bunch of kids into the squad. God help us next season. If Fergie can prove Alan Hansen wrong, so can QPR 😂 |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 6, 2022 15:44:49 GMT
None of them exactly 16/17 are they. They men and need to play against men or give up. If u not ready by 19 u never be
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Post by Stanley75 on May 6, 2022 17:39:27 GMT
I know the argument is always made that the manager sees them in training but if you don’t give them a chance you never know if a young player can make the jump. Allen, Goddard, Francis, waddock etc. would still be out on loan now. On the latest WLS podcast Kevin Gallen said he regularly speaks with the club's youth coaches to ask if there's any good prospects coming through and they all tell him no, with the possible exception of Armstrong. That's the reality right now at QPR. Depressing I know, but true. So in answer to your point, if we had any young players of the same potential as your above examples then chances are they would be more involved. Will things improve with a dedicated new training ground and academy at Heston? Time will tell but you're looking at at least 2-3 years from now for that to bear fruit. |
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Post by acricketer on May 6, 2022 18:14:32 GMT
Will things improve with a dedicated new training ground and academy at Heston? Time will tell but you're looking at at least 2-3 years from now for that to bear fruit. We shall build it. They will come.  |
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Post by hal9thou on May 6, 2022 18:35:39 GMT
I know the argument is always made that the manager sees them in training but if you don’t give them a chance you never know if a young player can make the jump. Allen, Goddard, Francis, waddock etc. would still be out on loan now. That's the reality right now at QPR. Depressing I know, but true. The whole rationale for keeping Ramsey here after his spell with the first team was to preside over development. That's worked well, hasn't it? I'd honestly get rid of all of them, including Les and everyone involved in scouting and development. The only person I might consider employable in some capacity is Banfield. 21 years under the most influential coach in the country has to count for something. He was responsible for bringing the one footballer we have. |
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Post by acricketer on May 6, 2022 20:39:44 GMT
That's the reality right now at QPR. Depressing I know, but true. The whole rationale for keeping Ramsey here after his spell with the first team was to preside over development. That's worked well, hasn't it? I'd honestly get rid of all of them, including Les and everyone involved in scouting and development. The only person I might consider employable in some capacity is Banfield. 21 years under the most influential coach in the country has to count for something. He was responsible for bringing the one footballer we have. We need 11 Banfields. |
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Post by Tarbie on May 6, 2022 21:21:57 GMT
That's the reality right now at QPR. Depressing I know, but true. The whole rationale for keeping Ramsey here after his spell with the first team was to preside over development. That's worked well, hasn't it? I'd honestly get rid of all of them, including Les and everyone involved in scouting and development. The only person I might consider employable in some capacity is Banfield. 21 years under the most influential coach in the country has to count for something. He was responsible for bringing the one footballer we have. Ramsey isn't a particularly nice Human being from what I've heard, but he's very well respected in the game and clearly has added structure to the club down the age groups. For me, him and Hoos are doing a good job and are needed. Les is the only Director who's role I don't understand and suspect adds little value. I think aside from the DoF and the Manager, the set up at the club if pretty good. Need a better Manager, and need to streamline at Director level. Give Hoos complete control over finances and give Ramsey control of ensuring the clubs ethos and is adhered to up and down the age groups. Bring in a strong Manager who has control of 1st team and U23's, plus transfers. At the moment I feel the lines between the responsibilities of the DoF, Manager and Technical Director (Ramsey) are blurred. Chuck Hoos in as well, I feel there are just too many decision makers. |
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Post by Tarbie on May 6, 2022 21:24:26 GMT
Don't understand the love in for Banfield either by the way. He's a youth coach, probably a very good one. He's never had a role with genuine influence over the 1st anywhere in his career. Only stepped up to 1st team coaching in his 50's.
Useful guy to have around for sure. But any suggestion he's a guy that needs moving up or whatever seems a bit daft to me.
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Post by Shania on May 6, 2022 21:37:14 GMT
Bring in Lee Dixon and/or David Bardsley instead of Banfield.
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Post by Tarbie on May 6, 2022 21:53:54 GMT
Dixon with zero coaching experience and Bardsley with limited coaching experience, mainly in the US with youth players.
You sure Shania? 🤣
Like I've said on a few threads, no need to reinvent the wheel. I know we are sore cos of the way this season has gone, but the overall set up at the club ain't too bad. Just needs tweaking in a couple of key positions.
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Post by hal9thou on May 8, 2022 19:46:18 GMT
Useful guy to have around for sure. But any suggestion he's a guy that needs moving up or whatever seems a bit daft to me. I didn't say he should be promoted. I did say he was the only one I might retain, possibly in charge of development / scouting. Regarding Lee Dixon. During one of Warburtons existential meltdowns - ie the Lumley related defence fiasco period - it became obvious that basic defence coaching just wasn't happening. I suggested bringing him in to sort out the horrible slaughter of the back line we were seeing week in week out. I think he could do a job for someone in that department. |
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