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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 28, 2019 21:51:49 GMT
They done up Warburton like a kipper tactically. Worked harder than us too. Better in every department. Dreadful non performance by us. Woeful. Major changes needed. Starting with Lee Wallace at LB.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 21:54:36 GMT
They done up Warburton like a kipper tactically. Worked harder than us too. Better in every department. Dreadful non performance by us. Woeful. Major changes needed. Starting with Lee Wallace at LB. Starting 11 needs freshening up. Chair Rangel, Scowen need benching with Amos and if fit Smith need to getting game time and will give us legs in midfield. |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 28, 2019 21:56:36 GMT
Fine margins mate. We were shocking defensively for the first goal, and in general not good enough in the first half. But that penalty decision was an utter disgrace, and given at a point where we were bang in the game. The 3rd goal was a result of us pushing on for an equaliser.
We've played far better this season, but if not for another awful refereeing decision we would have got something from that game!
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Post by Greg1882 on Oct 28, 2019 22:02:11 GMT
Fine margins mate. We were shocking defensively for the first goal, and in general not good enough in the first half. But that penalty decision was an utter disgrace, and given at a point where we were bang in the game. The 3rd goal was a result of us pushing on for an equaliser. We've played far better this season, but if not for another awful refereeing decision we would have got something from that game! Agree. Need to sort the defence out but a massive over reaction to that. For the 2nd game running we’ve been fucked by an embarrassing penalty decision. Such a crucial point in the game. Thought we should have had a penalty too. Only saw it on the box but a clear handball by them in our box. Really disappointed tonight and think we need to shuffle the pack but to call our players bang average and other teams cast offs as I’ve seen tonight is a fucking disgrace and people need to give their heads a wobble. Would like to see Wallace get a game because as much as I like manning and think he’s been brilliant he’s not a left back and leaves us really exposed. He’s be better deployed further up the field |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 28, 2019 22:42:59 GMT
Tarbs we were dire today. Game went exactly how I expected.
Out muscled, lacked fight, out played and overplaying in our own half.
Kelly aside maybe BOS that was gutless effort
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Post by 72bus on Oct 28, 2019 23:37:11 GMT
Why are we so slow to get it out of our half , we let teams get their shape back as we are so slow to come forward , we lack purpose with the ball .... 1st half we were a shambles .the ref total idiot
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 29, 2019 0:13:37 GMT
Tarbs we were dire today. Game went exactly how I expected. Out muscled, lacked fight, out played and overplaying in our own half. Kelly aside maybe BOS that was gutless effort Dire and gutless are well over the top descriptions to use Pete. Brentford were the better side in the first half without question but nothing in it for me in the second. The dive for the pen was a joke and we were bang in that game before that. |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 29, 2019 6:09:29 GMT
Tarbs we were dire today. Game went exactly how I expected. Out muscled, lacked fight, out played and overplaying in our own half. Kelly aside maybe BOS that was gutless effort Way over the top mate, as is the OP. First half was poor but we started the 2nd very well. Poor refereeing changed the course of the game, we were in the ascendancy at 1-1. 2nd game running too that a very bad call from an official has cost us. I think we all need to take a collective deep breath, appreciate that this is a new manager and a new squad of players that are performing at a much higher standard than we expected. Yes, there is an opportunity to get promoted this year that we didn't think was there. But that doesn't give us as fans the right to all of a sudden expect perfection every week. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 29, 2019 6:24:33 GMT
There is opportunity based on the maths to get promoted but we won’t be anywhere close. Ok gutless might be bit dramatic so withdraw that, but it was dire total nothing performance. I really don’t think we were any better second half from first. They dictated the whole game and looked like they had another gear.
Let’s not forget that’s two games on the trot where the hype has been win and go second, both at home and both games we have not shown up
Not interested in Ref decisions as an excuse (we got all those excuses pumped out to defend Ollie) you get decisions and lose them throughout the season and you make your own luck.
Plain and simply from what I have seen the glaring problem is how we defend but it don’t seem to be getting addressed. That’s not ref fault, that’s not lucks fault, it’s our fault we have it within our powers to address and sort
I’m over the moon with manager and am 110% behind him and club for the record. Big decision time now on next starting eleven as few heads should get pulled
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Post by West Acton on Oct 29, 2019 6:31:37 GMT
Just thinking about gutless comment but to clarify. That was derby against one of the sides closet to us
I never saw players pumped up, never saw any passion or players geeing each other up, never saw players running through brick walls or going that extra yard, never saw ours winning their individual battles or standing their ground going nose to nose. Saw players, on yesterday’s performance, on the pitch going through the motions
That’s what I mean by lack of guts and I’m sure what OP means by embarrassing
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 29, 2019 8:01:05 GMT
Brentford did their homework and their manager set them up brilliantly to nullify us. They played a high line and pressed wide on Angel and Manning and put pressure on the centre backs whenever they had the ball. Our players rarely, if ever, had an out. Hence all the playing the ball across our own box. Eze and Chair were too wide first half and Wells starved of the ball. The CM of Cameron and Scowen, as others have said, were too deep and totally outmuscled.. Mark failed to change it up in any way. We were lucky to get back in the game and, yes, the penalty killed us, but we were second best throughout. Could have been 1-5 if not for Kelly. Big fan of Mark, but he got his pants pulled down tactically and we were poor. Changes for Leeds. Embarrassing
Kelly
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Let's see if Pugh turns out. Stuck with the CBs we have.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 8:03:25 GMT
Just thinking about gutless comment but to clarify. That was derby against one of the sides closet to us I never saw players pumped up, never saw any passion or players geeing each other up, never saw players running through brick walls or going that extra yard, never saw ours winning their individual battles or standing their ground going nose to nose. Saw players, on yesterday’s performance, on the pitch going through the motions That’s what I mean by lack of guts and I’m sure what OP means by embarrassing 77 just can't wait to stick the boot in at every opportunity. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 29, 2019 8:03:34 GMT
I know it's the modern game, and when we get it right it looks great, but is it time to admit we're not very good at building from the back? We don't have the consistency of accurate passing, pace or movement to have triangles moving round the pitch. We get caught in possession too often and we're wide open to a counter attack with BFG, Rangel and Manning all too slow to deal with it. Time to try something different for a while at least.
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 29, 2019 8:09:59 GMT
Brentford did their homework and their manager set them up brilliantly to nullify us. They played a high line and pressed wide on Angel and Manning and put pressure on the centre backs whenever they had the ball. Our players rarely, if ever, had an out. Hence all the playing the ball across our own box. Eze and Chair were too wide first half and Wells starved of the ball. The CM of Cameron and Scowen, as others have said, were too deep and totally outmuscled.. Mark failed to change it up in any way. We were lucky to get back in the game and, yes, the penalty killed us, but we were second best throughout. Could have been 1-5 if not for Kelly. Big fan of Mark, but he got his pants pulled down tactically and we were poor. Changes for Leeds. Embarrassing Kelly Angel BFG Hall Wallace Ball Manning BOS Eze Pugh Hugill Let's see if Pugh turns out. Stuck with the CBs we have. I'm a bit worried that in a game that's probably a nothing game for us we will lose Eze for a while. They WILL kick lumps off him because THEY ARE LEEDS. Got to play him of course, but.... |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 29, 2019 8:14:13 GMT
It was the same old Rangers of only starting to play once we go a goal down. MW obviously put a rocket up their arses at HT as we began 2nd half so much stronger. BUT that's how we should have started the game - ITR Wests is correct that we were gutless 1st half.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 29, 2019 8:16:42 GMT
I know it's the modern game, and when we get it right it looks great, but is it time to admit we're not very good at building from the back? We don't have the consistency of accurate passing, pace or movement to have triangles moving round the pitch. We get caught in possession too often and we're wide open to a counter attack with BFG, Rangel and Manning all too slow to deal with it. Time to try something different for a while at least. to build from the back you need someone in middle who can take the ball under pressure, hold it and bring others in. That’s what Saywers done for West Brom against us. In fairness to Scowen and Cameron it’s not there game they get it and pass it back to the player who gave it to them. The players to do that role with the ability as they have been coached to do it are Amos and Smith. Ball has also shown that ability Think we have actually regressed since Cameron cane back in for Ball |
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Post by Rangers77 on Oct 29, 2019 8:18:41 GMT
Just thinking about gutless comment but to clarify. That was derby against one of the sides closet to us I never saw players pumped up, never saw any passion or players geeing each other up, never saw players running through brick walls or going that extra yard, never saw ours winning their individual battles or standing their ground going nose to nose. Saw players, on yesterday’s performance, on the pitch going through the motions That’s what I mean by lack of guts and I’m sure what OP means by embarrassing 77 just can't wait to stick the boot in at every opportunity. That's not remotely true. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Oct 29, 2019 8:23:18 GMT
77 just can't wait to stick the boot in at every opportunity. That's not remotely true. Certainly isn't. |
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Post by 72bus on Oct 29, 2019 8:27:47 GMT
Expect changes against Leeds , it was painful to watch Cameron , angel ,scowen and BFG play 4 a side
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 29, 2019 8:35:40 GMT
Just thinking about gutless comment but to clarify. That was derby against one of the sides closet to us I never saw players pumped up, never saw any passion or players geeing each other up, never saw players running through brick walls or going that extra yard, never saw ours winning their individual battles or standing their ground going nose to nose. Saw players, on yesterday’s performance, on the pitch going through the motions That’s what I mean by lack of guts and I’m sure what OP means by embarrassing 77 just can't wait to stick the boot in at every opportunity. To be fair, although I perceive 77 to be overly critical (threads titled 'embarrassing' I find embarrassing  ) he is a good poster and clearly watches the games very closely. He certainly isn't always looking to stick the boot in. On a totally unrelated subject where is Hits these days? |
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Post by manti on Oct 29, 2019 8:51:16 GMT
Bit surprised you're all saying it wasn't a pen. It clearly was. Your defender pulled him, then pushed him then kicked him on his way down. Watch a replay. There is no way VAR would ever have overturned it. Thought your keeper played very well.
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 29, 2019 8:52:25 GMT
We need to get away from 20th place or we could go down. Time to sack the manager I think and get another one in. We could do with getting rid of all the freebies and kids too and pay some money to get top quality Championship players in so we can get promoted to our rightful place in the pyramid.
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Post by West Acton on Oct 29, 2019 8:53:52 GMT
Esox you are a bizarre man
Manti never a pen
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Post by hubble on Oct 29, 2019 9:11:23 GMT
There's no point trying to gloss over it, all the inherent weaknesses in our side were exposed last night and it was embarrassing.
If Middlesex Utd hadn't been pretty woeful at finishing it could have been 6-1. Rangel way too slow, Manning no positional sense, Cameron too slow, etc. etc. tactics wrong, it's all been said above in this thread, no point in hiding it, what's incredible is to think a win would've taken us 2nd!
Changes needed, again as already said. Just to add I think Lumley would've saved their first.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 29, 2019 9:11:25 GMT
Bit surprised you're all saying it wasn't a pen. It clearly was. Your defender pulled him, then pushed him then kicked him on his way down. Watch a replay. There is no way VAR would ever have overturned it. Thought your keeper played very well. Yes, clearly a pen as this link shows. What planet are you on? Presumably a WUM |
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Post by esoxlucius on Oct 29, 2019 9:21:46 GMT
Esox you are a bizarre man Manti never a pen Or a pragmatic one. I haven't enjoyed going to games as much as this for nearly ten years. Even though I thought we would be battling relegation this season I still went ahead and renewed my season ticket and it's a decision I haven't regretted. I have a 150 mile round trip to home games and there has been many a time I have endured a miserable drive home after a game but not this season. We will almost certainly get beaten at Leeds but I'll still be heading down for the 'boro game, and every other game after that. I am more than happy with Mark Warburton and his team, I am more than happy to watch the players we have and I fully expect us to get beaten from time to time. I won't be losing my shit and try to play manager if we go on a four or five game losing streak. I won't be calling for the managers head as I can see what he is trying to do and I understand that he doesn't have all the personnel he wants to fulfil that ambition. Whatever the season etc. |
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Post by Greg1882 on Oct 29, 2019 9:57:12 GMT
Bit surprised you're all saying it wasn't a pen. It clearly was. Your defender pulled him, then pushed him then kicked him on his way down. Watch a replay. There is no way VAR would ever have overturned it. Thought your keeper played very well. You want to win a game by cheating mate that’s your bag but to say that’s a pen is embarrassing. He’s going over before scowen even thought about making any sort of challenge. The ref should be ashamed of himself same as the one on Tuesday night. It’s a shame you lot had to resort to cheating like that because I thought you were a really good side. We’re obviously forgetting the second half pen up the loft end too. Hey ho win some lose some. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 29, 2019 10:03:11 GMT
First goal was ridiculous. Far too much space on the right wing for their player to pick a cross and then non-existent marking of Watkins is purely criminal.
Second goal he was looking for the penalty - was on his way down before Scowen, who didn't even make a challenge, had got to him. No keeper in the World would have saved that penalty though.
Third goal, we were chasing the game and had committed as many players forward as possible.....was bound to happen.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Oct 29, 2019 10:09:06 GMT
Might just be me but I'm finding it strange that around the box, Chair seems to have to look for a pass to Eze rather than put a cross in or have a pop at goal.
Not sure what the instructions are but can't help thinking he's being limited.
In addition, Rangel needs a break. Had a shocker last night IMO.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 29, 2019 10:10:38 GMT
Manti, if you can't see that's clearly not a pen but a dive, you're clearly a WUM.
Esox, I haven't seen anyone call for the manager's head?
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