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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 3, 2020 9:17:30 GMT
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 3, 2020 16:46:48 GMT
It's years of boredom. Very hard to get passionate after years of finishin gmid table and paying a premium for the privilege.
I know they brought in the Y block but that's what, 500 seats? When we were doing well it was really loud but now it's got boring again. The football we are playing is good but it doesn't help that we are still expensive. We were being charged £30 a ticket when we were going for promotion, and now we are rebuilding spending pennies we are being charged the same for an inferior product.
But ive said before, we need more standing. Look at Leeds for example. Both stands behind the whole and next to away fans are standing and their atmosphere is amazing.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 3, 2020 19:01:57 GMT
But ive said before, we need more standing. Look at Leeds for example. Both stands behind the whole and next to away fans are standing and their atmosphere is amazing. Agreed, but sadly that ain't gonna happen until they move the failed 'family stand' to a more suitable location (this is what fans need to keep lobbying for). Then you could have safe standing in lower loft and we're far more likely to get a return to a decent (and intimidating) atmosphere at LR. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 3, 2020 21:03:59 GMT
No atmosphere is intimidating at football in England.
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 4, 2020 9:09:49 GMT
But ive said before, we need more standing. Look at Leeds for example. Both stands behind the whole and next to away fans are standing and their atmosphere is amazing. Agreed, but sadly that ain't gonna happen until they move the failed 'family stand' to a more suitable location (this is what fans need to keep lobbying for). Then you could have safe standing in lower loft and we're far more likely to get a return to a decent (and intimidating) atmosphere at LR. I would love safe standing to come in. If it does, I would imagine it will be in R block and Y block. They wont move the family stand. The logistics wouldn't work to be in Ellerslie or SAR and I can't see them moving people out of the paddocks. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 4, 2020 11:13:34 GMT
I can't see them moving people out of the paddocks. I don't know about that. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the same powers that be moved fans out of lower loft at the time, so a precedent was already set. The point being is that the same fans lobbying for safe standing should be the same fans lobbying for moving the family stand (of which there are many). The fan base would have more influence by uniting as a single issue. Power in numbers. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 4, 2020 11:34:54 GMT
I can't see them moving people out of the paddocks. I don't know about that. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the same powers that be moved fans out of lower loft at the time, so a precedent was already set. The point being is that the same fans lobbying for safe standing should be the same fans lobbying for moving the family stand (of which there are many). The fan base would have more influence by uniting as a single issue. Power in numbers. Terry & James have a FB group called Return The Loft To It's Lost Glory and they report on there any progress they are making with the club regarding moving the Family Stand and safe seating. If anyone is interested; www.facebook.com/groups/2271495516244102/From speaking to Lee Hoos on a number of occasions I feel his mind set is that QPR has a lot of supporters that are 50 and over, many of whom are upset that we aren't in the EPL, as good as we used to be etc. and the club is trying to generate the next generation of fans. I tried to explain to him that the best way is, as it was for me as an 11 year old, to be caught up in the swarm of bodies behind the goals roaring on the team and going mad when we scored/ won. If there is any concern for very young kids, then start where I started in the little kiddy enclosures directly behind the goals where we wouldn't get crushed. We may need something like the LSA revolution again to get the club back on its feet supporter wise and creating the atmosphere that we know we can generate from time to time. Since I began in the early 60's Loftus Road wasn't a wall of sound every game and the fans have always been fickle about the team but many, many times it took us scoring a goal or two for the crowd to get behind the team. It would be nice if this could happen from the get go. From my own perspective, two solutions would be to create a wi-fi blackspot during the 90 minutes to stop people concentrating on filming an atmosphere they should be creating and stopping the loud music before kick off; traditionally a time when the fans could sing/ chant and build an atmosphere before kick off. |
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 5, 2020 12:29:56 GMT
I have joined it but I do think the loft atmosphere is a bit of a myth.
Didn't someone in out 95' team come out and say that if we had a louder home support they could have won the league?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 5, 2020 12:38:18 GMT
Tony's funeral directors does have a panache. Bit of non match day income. Use the executive boxes for viewing and catering freezer for the stiffs
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Post by Stanley75 on Dec 4, 2021 9:51:30 GMT
Family standA thread for your suggestions about a better siting of the family stand and reinstating a home end. The club does monitor forums, so chances are this will be a worthwhile exercise. As mentioned at Thursday's Fans' Forum, you will never be able to please everyone in such a situation, but at the same time the situation does need addressing. Yes, on the one hand younger fans are the lifeblood of the future, but on the other hand, the diminished atmosphere (by stark contrast to yesteryear) is arguably costing the club points on the board in the present - a point that's been made several times to Hoos and it appears the penny is now dropping. Some posts from the other thread to help kick things off: It would obviously only be possible with fan consultation / agreement (i.e. precisely what Beard NEVER did when he parked the family stand in its current location). In the interests of improving the overall atmosphere (with the laudable intention of making LL the bearpit it once was), some might not mind moving, some might. LL is uncovered, as are the paddocks, so that's at least one obstacle resolved. The woman at the fans' forum who spoke in favour of retaining a family area also spoke supportively of it being moved to the paddocks (benefit of kids being near tunnel etc) Hoos could canvass those now in the paddocks as to what % of them would mind moving to LL. Canvas those in Q, R, S and Y blocks you would perhaps also get a high proportion of those being happy to migrate to LL. Those not could stay where they are. The above are not necessarily solutions but at least examples of what could be attempted via fan consultation. The bottom line is Hoos could be being proactive here, and maybe he'll be more so after this. Hoos did say paddocks aren’t suitable. I don’t know what he’s looking for or what it’s like behind the paddocks these days - but they do get wet there. He’s also thrown it out to fans to suggest something workable. That is classic management technique to end up doing nothing about something. They get wet in LL too Alan, so I don't get that argument. It was more that the Paddocks have the highest proportion of ST holders. So if there are say 2k there, probably around 50% are ST holders, so that impacts another 1k people. Would many of them move to LL? Prob not, as they arent there for the atmosphere, whereas R and Y blocks are pretty much at QPR for the atmosphere. There won't be a good answer for anything. They'll have to go upper loft, I would imagine. THey would still get access to the kids stuff htey currently do (I think) I think Hoos was broadly in favour of safe standing, but wanted to hear from fans where/how it should be implemented.
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 4, 2021 11:22:07 GMT
Surely the only place to have a family area is the paddock(s)? We can’t be sure what Hoos is looking for but let’s assume lower tier, wheelchair access, good toilet facilities and, if he wants to develop the theme, the ease of some kids entertainment like Jude giving away stuff or a clown mucking about. Keith Stroud would be an ideal booking. Centre around the tunnel so they can see their heroes coming and going and wave their ‘give me your shirt’ signs. I can’t believe STs wouldn’t move if they were given a decent reduction for the season they move and a free choice of vacant seats available. Subject to site lines some seating could be retained in the lower loft if really necessary.
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 4, 2021 11:36:32 GMT
Wouldn’t be difficult to emailshot all the paddock STs. Will show if he’s serious or not.
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Post by Hitman34 on Dec 4, 2021 12:45:37 GMT
Attach some sort of retractable roof along the paddock, tell season ticket holders that they will need to move to any other part of the stadium and offer them dicoyunted season tickets or club shop vouchers for one year.
Turn paddock into family stand, we get our loft back, happy days
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Post by 72bus on Dec 4, 2021 13:45:48 GMT
I have had a ST in paddock for over 15 years . I've met loads of people I look forward to seeing every game so wouldn't want to move . My 5 sons have had STs there at various times , loads of dads already bring their children in the paddocks and it's worked well for years . Why do we need a family stand ? . Open the lower loft to all .My kids grew up going to away games standing on seats to try and get a view it's all part of football
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 4, 2021 13:46:55 GMT
I have had a ST in paddock for over 15 years . I've met loads of people I look forward to seeing every game so wouldn't want to move . My 5 sons have had STs there at various times , loads of dads already bring their children in the paddocks and it's worked well for years . Why do we need a family stand ? . Open the lower loft to all Fair enough, that’s another approach - convince Hoos we don’t want one? |
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Post by spongeparr on Dec 6, 2021 8:48:24 GMT
I have had a ST in paddock for over 15 years . I've met loads of people I look forward to seeing every game so wouldn't want to move . My 5 sons have had STs there at various times , loads of dads already bring their children in the paddocks and it's worked well for years . Why do we need a family stand ? . Open the lower loft to all Fair enough, that’s another approach - convince Hoos we don’t want one? Won't happen, not a chance they get rid of it. Would have gone a long time ago. I don't know how many ST are in Paddocks or LL, but would they both fit in Paddocks? Not sure on either capacity. Other than that, it'll have to be the upper loft. Ellerslie is too cramped. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Dec 6, 2021 15:25:56 GMT
Don’t worry mate, nothing is going to change. He’s just paying lip service. He wants a family section and he wants it in LL. End of. The whole place is getting noisier anyway.
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Post by West Acton on Apr 4, 2022 20:27:53 GMT
Home support/backing has been piss poor this season don’t think we have done anything really to back the team or be 12th man
Away from home total opposite away support has been Top notch
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 4, 2022 20:34:21 GMT
Home support/backing has been piss poor this season don’t think we have done anything really to back the team or be 12th man Away from home total opposite away support has been Top notch Hoos screwing up Loft has done support no favours |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 4, 2022 20:39:42 GMT
Home support/backing has been piss poor this season don’t think we have done anything really to back the team or be 12th man Away from home total opposite away support has been Top notch Hoos screwing up Loft has done support no favours excuse imo I hate that. Just hold hands up and say it’s been shit without looking blame someone. Been plenty time it’s been buzzing with loft how it is so fuck all to do with hoos. Fans simply not bothered this season at home |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 4, 2022 20:47:04 GMT
Hoos screwing up Loft has done support no favours excuse imo I hate that. Just hold hands up and say it’s been shit without looking blame someone. Been plenty time it’s been buzzing with loft how it is so fuck all to do with hoos. Fans simply not bothered this season at home Three different areas singing at home, often different songs. In unison away. Hoos is the one who wants a family area where almost every other club has their home support. You think that makes no difference. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 4, 2022 20:51:14 GMT
Plus I agreed with your post about support being poor so it’s part of a reason not an excuse.
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Post by West Acton on Apr 4, 2022 20:52:06 GMT
Jesus Alan what’s happened to you
Have you not been any games last few years when there has been a good atmosphere with the family stand.
If fans want to sing they will and as they have many games but this season it’s been shit
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 4, 2022 20:54:10 GMT
But it’s the team that gets the crowd going at our place and it should be the other way around. A focal point for vocal support sets it off.
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Post by West Acton on Apr 4, 2022 20:58:06 GMT
Or perhaps when teams struggling fans could do there bit perhaps try backing them instead of waiting…..
You not been any games then last 10years where it’s been good atmosphere with loft as it is??? Yes or no will do
Really don’t get why fans get so precious over home support
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 4, 2022 21:07:51 GMT
Yes but I repeat my previous post.
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 4, 2022 21:10:45 GMT
I personally struggled to get behind the team this Saturday sat in the Upper Loft. Every time the ball gets sent backwards (i.e. every frigging 5 minutes) it just sucks any enthusiasm out of me.
Can complain about the fans not making enough noise as much as you want, but how about the team does something to get us going?
That on Saturday did not feel like a derby. No cutting edge. No energy. No challenges going in. In fact, those guys out there didn't looked arsed they lost.
Fucking Johansen just about had a lap of honour limping off at 1-0 down. Fucking disgrace in my opinion that. Club captain. Should have been sprinting off and screaming his head off at his team mates as he went.
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Post by West Acton on Apr 4, 2022 21:13:27 GMT
Cool so the family stand actually makes no difference and my point stands. If fans want to make noise (as they have plenty games) they will with or without a family stand and if they want be quiet like Saturday again they will
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 4, 2022 21:15:12 GMT
Daft idea having a family stand behind the goal in my opinion Westy. But I don't think it's the biggest problem.
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Post by West Acton on Apr 4, 2022 21:15:43 GMT
Tarbs what you have just explained is exactly how it’s been and how I’ve felt whole season. Even when we are flying it’s been flat. It’s been really odd season perhaps as first season back but after covid but the place is dead this season
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