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Post by West Acton on Apr 13, 2023 10:51:36 GMT
Would add this great loftus road atmosphere is a myth. I’ve been games before family stand when it’s been a dead.
The big games bring the atmosphere regardless of who sits there.
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 13, 2023 10:56:41 GMT
Did family stand cost us points in play off season or did overall atmosphere which was fantastic get us points with family stand as it was. I agree the atmosphere was great for some of those games, of course. I don't see how that negates the overall argument though. Its bollocks imo just another thing to moan and beat the club over. Yes, there's plenty of examples of fans doing that for the sake of it. This certainly isn't one of those cases though. Indeed it was one giant fuck up by Beard and TF that has never been rectified. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 13, 2023 11:06:33 GMT
I loved their song ghetto heaven
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 13, 2023 11:07:03 GMT
The big games bring the atmosphere regardless of who sits there. Again, can't agree with that. I'm a sound engineer so I know a little about acoustics and how noise is generated in outdoor arenas. From an acoustics / physics perspective it makes a huge difference to overall noise levels if you generate a louder sound from a single source, as oppose to dividing it and splitting it around 2 or 3 sources. I remember how the atmosphere at LR used to be prior to family stand so I'm comparing it to that. The loudest noise originated from the loft, it would then spread like a wave to both SAR side and Ellerslie side. |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 13, 2023 11:37:39 GMT
So do I it was dead 90% of the time 😁 unless big game.
Anyway had my say will let others toss it about. My flag is firmly in the sand.
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 13, 2023 13:55:55 GMT
Pretty sure a player, might have been Sir Les back in the day, said that we could have won the league if we had louder fans back then.
I like the family stand principle, but I think it's in the wrong area. Do I think moving it will make a massive difference to atmosphere? No, not really. People sing in Y block but some games it's flat.
Most teams have shit atmospheres. Not saying we should accept that but it happens now as it's so expensive.
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Post by West Acton on Apr 13, 2023 14:30:47 GMT
Pretty sure a player, might have been Sir Les back in the day, said that we could have won the league if we had louder fans back then. I like the family stand principle, but I think it's in the wrong area. Do I think moving it will make a massive difference to atmosphere? No, not really. People sing in Y block but some games it's flat. Most teams have shit atmospheres. Not saying we should accept that but it happens now as it's so expensive. spot on. I’ve been going down Rangers since late 80s early 90s there have been some electric atmospheres Millwall night game in cup jumps out but I’ve been more games when it’s been dead then buzzing and that was without family stand. I sometimes think fans want to create this legendary loftus road atmosphere which has never been the case. I doubt our ground is too much different to any other ground in country you get good games which drive the crowd and shit ones. West Brom Saturday was silent apart from away end it’s how football is nowadays. Specifically family stand I can see argument that it should not have been whole of lower loft I think half of it paddock side would be perfect but this don’t stop upper loft singing or QPR blocks corner of Ellersie. Question is why are they not singing or creating atmosphere instead of looking for an excuse for it that’s just lazy. Now we could go down an ultras route, like few other clubs, but I suspect plenty of fans would be dead against that. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 13, 2023 14:44:51 GMT
Ultras in England are cringe as fuck
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Post by West Acton on Apr 13, 2023 15:03:44 GMT
Ultras in England are cringe as fuck I agree but in fairness they have created a buzz at some grounds. I’m not sure we’re ready at QPR for them. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 13, 2023 15:10:31 GMT
I’d rather fuck my bum with a big cactus
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 13, 2023 15:15:15 GMT
Worked at Palace. Best atmosphere by far.
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 13, 2023 15:48:15 GMT
I don’t think the atmosphere at LR has ever been legendary. The nearest it got to that was the ‘Rodneee’ chant which was something else but that was another lifetime ago. Even when it was tried again for ‘Stanleee’ it didn’t work. What I do know is off the top of my head I can’t think of another club that doesn’t have a home end and tries to kick towards it for the second half or you try to kick to your own fans away from home. Does it work? Yes, how much is debatable but it’s a better idea than splitting up areas of home support by taking the area away. Part of a club’s identity - isn’t our club supposed to be into that? Like the ad says, every little helps. This isn’t America Lee, where you turn up with a gallon of cola and tonnes of shit food to sit there all afternoon. Here it’s about the game and the banter.
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 13, 2023 16:58:44 GMT
I’d rather fuck my bum with a big cactus So no change there then... |
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Post by The General on Apr 13, 2023 17:06:30 GMT
We need this stand moved
It should be full of die hard rangers ultras
No question put the kids in SAR
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 14, 2023 8:40:44 GMT
I don’t think the atmosphere at LR has ever been legendary. The nearest it got to that was the ‘Rodneee’ chant which was something else but that was another lifetime ago. Even when it was tried again for ‘Stanleee’ it didn’t work. What I do know is off the top of my head I can’t think of another club that doesn’t have a home end and tries to kick towards it for the second half or you try to kick to your own fans away from home. Does it work? Yes, how much is debatable but it’s a better idea than splitting up areas of home support by taking the area away. Part of a club’s identity - isn’t our club supposed to be into that? Like the ad says, every little helps. This isn’t America Lee, where you turn up with a gallon of cola and tonnes of shit food to sit there all afternoon. Here it’s about the game and the banter. Sure. I've certainly never argued that the LR atmosphere has ever been legendary. That would be a straw man. That's not to say it didn't have a reputation for being intimidating to opposing teams however. Was it made worse though by another of Phil Beard's ill-conceived notions to split up our home support areas? Yes, for the reasons I detailed above, and for acoustical ones over any other. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 14, 2023 12:24:32 GMT
I don’t think the atmosphere at LR has ever been legendary. The nearest it got to that was the ‘Rodneee’ chant which was something else but that was another lifetime ago. Even when it was tried again for ‘Stanleee’ it didn’t work. What I do know is off the top of my head I can’t think of another club that doesn’t have a home end and tries to kick towards it for the second half or you try to kick to your own fans away from home. Does it work? Yes, how much is debatable but it’s a better idea than splitting up areas of home support by taking the area away. Part of a club’s identity - isn’t our club supposed to be into that? Like the ad says, every little helps. This isn’t America Lee, where you turn up with a gallon of cola and tonnes of shit food to sit there all afternoon. Here it’s about the game and the banter. Sure. I've certainly never argued that the LR atmosphere has ever been legendary. That would be a straw man. That's not to say it didn't have a reputation for being intimidating to opposing teams however. Was it made worse though by another of Phil Beard's ill-conceived notions to split up our home support areas? Yes, for the reasons I detailed above, and for acoustical ones over any other. If only we could repeat every time the intimidating atmosphere of past Chelsea games our place really would be a fortress. The close proximity of an animated crowd has to get in players’ heads. Only natural. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 14, 2023 12:28:28 GMT
If some cants calling me every name under the sun from like 5ft away and I was a player, I’d think who’s the cant. Not me I’m being paid more a month than u probably make a year. Who’s the cant!
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 14, 2023 12:33:43 GMT
If some cants calling me every name under the sun from like 5ft away and I was a player, I’d think who’s the cant. Not me I’m being paid more a month than u probably make a year. Who’s the cant! True but Chelsea’s foreigners looked shit scared as though someone would be over the wall to them any minute. And it got to Terry. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 14, 2023 12:35:10 GMT
More recently it got to Watford too.
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Post by hubble on Apr 14, 2023 12:42:19 GMT
I've always thought the Loft was pretty poor at generating noise, long before they introduced the family stand. At that end of the ground Q block usually leads the way, along with P (corner of Loft, yes, but not whole of Loft) and R block. R block being the loudest and of course most people have been standing there long before they introduced 'safe standing'.
The problem with LR, which many have noted, is that sound doesn't seem to carry to the away end. The whole of R block, Q, P, S, T all singing, and you still can't hear it at the other end.
At a fans forum I attended ages ago I suggested that Hoos find a way of sorting this out by using some kind of giant funnel above the fans that would amplify the noise and direct it towards the away end. He said he quite liked the idea...
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 14, 2023 13:13:03 GMT
Just use tapped crowd like they do on sitcoms.
Just play laughing on loop😉
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Post by West Acton on Apr 14, 2023 13:27:03 GMT
I've always thought the Loft was pretty poor at generating noise, long before they introduced the family stand. At that end of the ground Q block usually leads the way, along with P (corner of Loft, yes, but not whole of Loft) and R block. R block being the loudest and of course most people have been standing there long before they introduced 'safe standing'. The problem with LR, which many have noted, is that sound doesn't seem to carry to the away end. The whole of R block, Q, P, S, T all singing, and you still can't hear it at the other end. At a fans forum I attended ages ago I suggested that Hoos find a way of sorting this out by using some kind of giant funnel above the fans that would amplify the noise and direct it towards the away end. He said he quite liked the idea... your right it is. Problem is not the family stand |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 14, 2023 14:16:57 GMT
So we’re right and everyone else with a home ‘end’ is wrong.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 14, 2023 14:32:44 GMT
So we’re right and everyone else with a home ‘end’ is wrong. we not followers We set the mark to follow 😎 |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 14, 2023 16:33:27 GMT
Is loft not a home end?
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 15, 2023 7:24:39 GMT
So we’re right and everyone else with a home ‘end’ is wrong. Who has a good home end? Keen to know who you think has a good atmosphere every game |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 15, 2023 7:28:23 GMT
A performing team helps improve the atmosphere
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Post by jfrabbit on Apr 15, 2023 7:28:46 GMT
If some cants calling me every name under the sun from like 5ft away and I was a player, I’d think who’s the cant. Not me I’m being paid more a month than u probably make a year. Who’s the cant! True but Chelsea’s foreigners looked shit scared as though someone would be over the wall to them any minute. And it got to Terry. I remember the look on Juan Mata's face when he was being barked at by the whole of Ellerslie. He was so confused at the hatred being spewed. If I remember rightly they took him off corners that day because he was obviously being affected by it. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 15, 2023 7:36:44 GMT
So we’re right and everyone else with a home ‘end’ is wrong. Who has a good home end? Keen to know who you think has a good atmosphere every game Leaving out Prem - Stoke Sheff Utd Sunderland Swansea Blackpool Millwall Norwich but fickle Burnley when they’re winning but we seem to have got off the point of having three or four vocal areas at LR instead of one given how good a thousand or so are away from home when in one place. |
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Post by hubble on Apr 15, 2023 7:45:04 GMT
True but Chelsea’s foreigners looked shit scared as though someone would be over the wall to them any minute. And it got to Terry. I remember the look on Juan Mata's face when he was being barked at by the whole of Ellerslie. He was so confused at the hatred being spewed. If I remember rightly they took him off corners that day because he was obviously being affected by it.
Yeah, but as you say, that was nothing to do with the loft. I remember that day and a similar one when we gave Bale such dogs abuse (I was in the paddocks that day) that he was completely discombobulated, couldn't perform, we won. We also wound up Terry good and proper on THAT day, which included two of them getting sent off and all that followed.
And I'm not sure who said we don't create an intimidating atmosphere, but sweet Jaysus I've experienced LR crackling and sparking with the force of 15k+ united souls many times at LR, on famous days and nights. It's a ground many neutrals say is one of their favourites, because of the atmosphere, proximity to the pitch, etc. etc. But the Loft has long been a let down for me. Early noughties I had a stint in the lower loft and it was a right effort to get the feckers to sing sometimes.
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