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Post by West Acton on Apr 4, 2022 21:16:46 GMT
Daft idea having a family stand behind the goal in my opinion Westy. But I don't think it's the biggest problem. don’t disagree but it really is not excuse for atmosphere. I predict next season safe standing will make no difference at all |
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 4, 2022 21:23:39 GMT
Like I say, I think the fans react to what they see on the pitch Westy. I don't think Warburton's brand of football, particularly when it ain't going well, is conducive to getting the fans particularly hyped up.
Distinct lack of characters too. I mean our club captain, as I pointed out above is more inclined to get a clap from his old clubs fans than try to win a derby. Aside from Dunne, Albert plus arguably Barbet and Austin (clinging on by a thread), do we have any genuine fans favourites anymore?
I mean, I hated Barton, but at least you could see he gave a shit. I don't see much of that at all in the current squad. Just a bunch of guys in earning a salary that couldn't give a fuck what badge is on their shirt.
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Post by Bill on Apr 4, 2022 22:16:03 GMT
Flat because we had real expectations end of Jan and have just given that real chance away.
I don't know exact figures off top of my head but something like 8 points out of 33 and yet we still play side to side and back,then launch it forward to do fuck all Dykes,by which time their defence has reset and the ball comes back.
No early or first time crosses because no fucker in the box.
Doesn't really get the crowd going and the crowd know whats coming in terms of subs tactics and no plan b
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 5, 2022 7:39:32 GMT
Daft idea having a family stand behind the goal in my opinion Westy. But I don't think it's the biggest problem. don’t disagree but it really is not excuse for atmosphere. Not an excuse, but it's certainly a factor. Reason being the atmosphere at home, in general, was A LOT better before Phil Beard (in his infinite wisdom) changed the lower loft to a family stand, booting out scores (if not hundreds) of regulars in the process who'd been there for years/decades AND had been bringing their kids. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 5, 2022 7:52:32 GMT
Stand by my opinion that you need a focal point. It’s tribal, people congregate, strength in numbers and all that. Plus you meet your mates, stand together, atmosphere builds. Look at Palace - split that lot up around the ground and they wouldn’t generate as much passion.
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 5, 2022 9:11:01 GMT
Like I say, I think the fans react to what they see on the pitch Westy. I don't think Warburton's brand of football, particularly when it ain't going well, is conducive to getting the fans particularly hyped up. Distinct lack of characters too. I mean our club captain, as I pointed out above is more inclined to get a clap from his old clubs fans than try to win a derby. Aside from Dunne, Albert plus arguably Barbet and Austin (clinging on by a thread), do we have any genuine fans favourites anymore? I mean, I hated Barton, but at least you could see he gave a shit. I don't see much of that at all in the current squad. Just a bunch of guys in earning a salary that couldn't give a fuck what badge is on their shirt. Normally agree with you but I don't here. I think that the players are trying but they just aren't as good as we hyped them to be. We don't have high earners so I don't think it's a picking up a wage. Noise wise, think it does come down to the form recently has sucked the excitement out. |
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 5, 2022 10:23:02 GMT
Like I say, I think the fans react to what they see on the pitch Westy. I don't think Warburton's brand of football, particularly when it ain't going well, is conducive to getting the fans particularly hyped up. Distinct lack of characters too. I mean our club captain, as I pointed out above is more inclined to get a clap from his old clubs fans than try to win a derby. Aside from Dunne, Albert plus arguably Barbet and Austin (clinging on by a thread), do we have any genuine fans favourites anymore? I mean, I hated Barton, but at least you could see he gave a shit. I don't see much of that at all in the current squad. Just a bunch of guys in earning a salary that couldn't give a fuck what badge is on their shirt. Normally agree with you but I don't here. I think that the players are trying but they just aren't as good as we hyped them to be. We don't have high earners so I don't think it's a picking up a wage. Noise wise, think it does come down to the form recently has sucked the excitement out. Ain't being funny Sponge, but the whole stadium groans in unison every time the ball gets sent backwards. |
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 5, 2022 14:11:45 GMT
Then they moan when we go long.
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Post by 1qprdk on Apr 5, 2022 15:04:16 GMT
don’t disagree but it really is not excuse for atmosphere. Not an excuse, but it's certainly a factor. Reason being the atmosphere at home, in general, was A LOT better before Phil Beard (in his infinite wisdom) changed the lower loft to a family stand, booting out scores (if not hundreds) of regulars in the process who'd been there for years/decades AND had been bringing their kids. Phil Beard may have been the single worst decision TF and cohorts ever made. Was brought in for his experience with developing the O2, so he could help us develop a new multi purpose stadium. That turned out well, ffs. Instead he made our current ground worse, and let Mark, Kia and the other cheats gangbang our Chairman. |
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 26, 2023 9:41:27 GMT
I was in lower loft last night. Sounded loud from there.
Yet when I'm in Y block you can't hear it, so strange.
Means we in Y always sing something different to lower loft, which is annoying
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 26, 2023 9:51:51 GMT
I was in lower loft last night. Sounded loud from there. Yet when I'm in Y block you can't hear it, so strange. Means we in Y always sing something different to lower loft, which is annoying Same old, same old Sponge - if we had a proper home end like every other club the atmosphere would be great but that footballing culture expert from the good ol’ USA knows better. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 26, 2023 10:13:14 GMT
I was in lower loft last night. Sounded loud from there. Yet when I'm in Y block you can't hear it, so strange. Means we in Y always sing something different to lower loft, which is annoying Same old, same old Sponge - if we had a proper home end like every other club the atmosphere would be great but that footballing culture expert from the good ol’ USA knows better. I'll raise this once again with Hoos at the next meeting and will continue to do so. Last time I did he was at least receptive as opposed to previously where he dismissed it out of hand. So I think it is slowly penetrating. It had been yet another blind spot for him. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Feb 26, 2023 10:23:40 GMT
I was in lower loft last night. Sounded loud from there. Yet when I'm in Y block you can't hear it, so strange. Means we in Y always sing something different to lower loft, which is annoying Same old, same old Sponge - if we had a proper home end like every other club the atmosphere would be great but that f ootballing culture expert from the good ol’ USA knows better. Ironic thing is the septics are known for their entertainment and revenue around food & drink at sporting events yet this clown is losing this club a fortune every season through his inactivity to make things better for the fans on match days. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 26, 2023 12:40:40 GMT
Same old, same old Sponge - if we had a proper home end like every other club the atmosphere would be great but that f ootballing culture expert from the good ol’ USA knows better. Ironic thing is the septics are known for their entertainment and revenue around food & drink at sporting events yet this clown is losing this club a fortune every season through his inactivity to make things better for the fans on match days. so true but there is a difference. They sell shit at venues in US but it is quality shit😁 The rubbish we serve up here is worth avoiding. At the Union Berlin pre-season a while ago they kept the BBQ going once the game was rained off and the food was brilliant. Can you imagine that quality and service here? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 26, 2023 13:46:47 GMT
You couldn’t have a very big banner display in the loft could u. Not going to be the yellow wall dortmund style. Be some bloody 12 year old with bit of cardboard saying I love dick ie
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Post by Corbray on Feb 26, 2023 15:34:47 GMT
i don't disagree with a family area but it shouldn't be in the lower loft ffs.
i sat there once and i may as well have been at one of my 2 and a half year olds baby classes. i'm woke as fuck but everything there was so friendly and polite.
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 26, 2023 16:00:44 GMT
I was in lower loft last night. Sounded loud from there. Yet when I'm in Y block you can't hear it, so strange. Means we in Y always sing something different to lower loft, which is annoying Same old, same old Sponge - if we had a proper home end like every other club the atmosphere would be great but that footballing culture expert from the good ol’ USA knows better. Standing should be the whole of the lower loft. Chuck the families in the paddock with a retractable roof for when it rains. The roof can connect to just under the posh boxes and can be pulled out when raining |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 26, 2023 16:21:25 GMT
All depends on angle of view from boxes upper tier with retractable roof surely.
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Post by spongeparr on Feb 26, 2023 18:45:40 GMT
Same old, same old Sponge - if we had a proper home end like every other club the atmosphere would be great but that footballing culture expert from the good ol’ USA knows better. Standing should be the whole of the lower loft. Chuck the families in the paddock with a retractable roof for when it rains. The roof can connect to just under the posh boxes and can be pulled out when raining Been said before but more st holders in lower lost than in paddocks so no room |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 27, 2023 12:48:32 GMT
Reason loft is half empty is, would u sit there with the way our lot bloody shoot?
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Post by Corbray on Feb 27, 2023 12:58:19 GMT
Reason loft is half empty is, would u sit there with the way our lot bloody shoot? yes, i just wear a target every time i sit there. never been hit yet |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 27, 2023 13:20:21 GMT
U ugly enough they think
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 19, 2023 18:50:42 GMT
Standing should be the whole of the lower loft. Chuck the families in the paddock with a retractable roof for when it rains. The roof can connect to just under the posh boxes and can be pulled out when raining Sponge, I believe that is a weak argument not to move it to the paddocks for four reasons: 1. It covers too large an area anyway 2. Ever since family stand was introduced it has significantly worsened the overall (intimidating to opposition) atmosphere at LR. 3. Point 2 can easily be correlated to a resulting reduction in competitive points on the board, with regard to our weakened '12th man'. 4. A case can be made if you even need a family stand at all, or if they must have one at least reduce its size and location. |
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Post by spongeparr on Mar 19, 2023 19:15:16 GMT
Been said before but more st holders in lower loft than in paddocks so no room Sponge, I believe that is a weak argument not to move it to the paddocks for four reasons: 1. It covers too large an area anyway 2. Ever since family stand was introduced it has significantly worsened the overall (intimidating to opposition) atmosphere at LR. 3. Point 2 can easily be correlated to a resulting reduction in competitive points on the board, with regard to our weakened '12th man'. 4. A case can be made if you even need a family stand at all, or if they must have one at least reduce its size and location. It makes most sense to be there. Kids also see players warm up. Kids area is needed though. Grows the fan base. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 19, 2023 19:22:10 GMT
Sponge, I believe that is a weak argument not to move it to the paddocks for four reasons: 1. It covers too large an area anyway 2. Ever since family stand was introduced it has significantly worsened the overall (intimidating to opposition) atmosphere at LR. 3. Point 2 can easily be correlated to a resulting reduction in competitive points on the board, with regard to our weakened '12th man'. 4. A case can be made if you even need a family stand at all, or if they must have one at least reduce its size and location. Kids also see players warm up. Kids area is needed though. Grows the fan base. You mean in the paddocks? Yes I agree, if it has to be somewhere. |
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Post by spongeparr on Mar 20, 2023 7:44:10 GMT
It makes most sense to be there. Kids also see players warm up. Kids area is needed though. Grows the fan base. You mean in the paddocks? Yes I agree, if it has to be somewhere. Yeah the paddocks, sorry i wasnt clear. They get their own space, less likely to get smashed in the face. They are closer to the players and it means lower loft can make atmosphere again. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 13, 2023 9:19:05 GMT
Point is they’re not all in one place at home Yeah, what's so hard for Hoos to grasp? A strong home end can make a difference when push comes to shove. We've forfeited that for no reason at all. Phil Beard brought it in 11 years ago (kicking out long-term ST holders in the process, which is another story). How many competitive points do we think that's cost us in that time, due to the sanitised and reduction in atmosphere in the home end? |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 13, 2023 9:42:02 GMT
Yeah, what's so hard for Hoos to grasp? A strong home end can make a difference when push comes to shove. We've forfeited that for no reason at all. Phil Beard brought it in 11 years ago (kicking out long-term ST holders in the process, which is another story). How many competitive points do we think that's cost us in that time, due to the sanitised and reduction in atmosphere in the home end? Zero imo. As said before if people want sing they will if they don’t they won’t. There Was no problem with the family stand when we played Wigan in play off semi or any of the games in the run up to the end of the season. If we’re playing Lincoln next season and are mid table having a family stand will make absolutely no difference to the atmosphere. The occasion, league position or performance builds the atmosphere. Thought X block then safe standing was the answer to atmosphere? |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 13, 2023 9:57:10 GMT
Phil Beard brought it in 11 years ago (kicking out long-term ST holders in the process, which is another story). How many competitive points do we think that's cost us in that time, due to the sanitised and reduction in atmosphere in the home end? Zero imo. As said before if people want sing they will if they don’t they won’t. There Was no problem with the family stand when we played Wigan in play off semi or any of the games in the run up to the end of the season. If we’re playing Lincoln next season and are mid table having a family stand will make absolutely no difference to the atmosphere. The occasion, league position or performance builds the atmosphere. Thought X block then safe standing was the answer to atmosphere? Think the argument has been made a few times on this thread, by splitting up the atmosphere and dotting it around various parts of the ground, then you are diluting it. i.e. half of lower loft, X block etc. As opposed to having it ALL in one loud and intimidating hub (the loft) like it used to be so successfully over multiple generations, and was indeed feared by opposition and had a once strong reputation of the club's identity and atmosphere. The point has also been made that if you're in X block it's hard to now even hear our home end. So from this perspective it could certainly be argued that it's cost the club very many competitive points over the last 11 years, as the loss of our 12th man. And lastly, you only have to look at who's genius idea it was to bring it in in the first place - Phil Beard, another disastrous clueless TF appointment and probably the worst CEO in the club's history. #IfItAintBrokeDontFuckingFixIt |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 13, 2023 10:49:31 GMT
I get the argument but don’t agree with it.
Did family stand cost us points in play off season or did overall atmosphere which was fantastic get us points with family stand as it was.
Its bollocks imo just another thing to moan and beat the club over.
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