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Post by West Acton on Apr 8, 2019 14:23:19 GMT
The wages put about for wells and hamed are apparently hugely exaggerated and not even close to that
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Post by James1979 on Apr 8, 2019 14:41:34 GMT
The wages put about for wells and hamed are apparently hugely exaggerated and not even close to that Makes you wonder who is putting that info out there. The numbers looked ridiculous and thing someone close to club is causing mischief |
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Post by James1979 on Apr 8, 2019 14:45:32 GMT
But do any of us really know which players and/or Managers Les has actually been responsible for signing? Les never wanted Holloway, and Ollie came out last week and said that Les never wanted him sacked when the last managerial change happened. For the record, I'm almost certain that Ollie was the man behind the Freeman signing. I think that's the case for Scowen, Smith and BOS too. This is part of the bigger problem here. There are too many cooks at the club and where each persons role starts and finishes isn't really clear! I think that's an important point. No one knows for certain what managers Ferdinand has approached or approved. The same as players. However, there are only two possibilities in each scenario; 1) Les has full control 2) Les is always/often undermined. If Les has full control then his decision making for managers has proven to be disastrous and there is no justification for him keeping his job. If he has full control of signings then the rumoured £45k and £38k per week for Wells and Hemed - as speculated in the media/Twitter during the week - suggests that he is a potential risk in this era of austerity QPR in my opinion.
However, if he is being undermined often or, in the worse case scenario, always then there is no justification for keeping him in the position.
And that's my problem. I can't find a single reason for keeping him in the position because he is either useless or has no/little influence so is a waste of money. Isn’t it possible that the 3 of them (Les, Lee and Tony) put together a list that they agree on. Then they vote on top 1. Or someone puts a strong case for one and the others can object if strongly disagree. |
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 8, 2019 15:05:26 GMT
OLD R:
1) Les has full control
2) Les is always/often undermined.
HAL
1) In which case he's shite
2) In which case he's shite.
but
3) He didn't appont himself.
Fucking board. Again. Nothing to see here.
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Post by BrightonR on Apr 8, 2019 15:18:39 GMT
In fairness to Les, it can’t help when trying to appoint a manager when loads of fans are calling for Warnock, Warnock comes out publicly and says he’s not interested, Les gets someone else and the fans criticise Les because “Warnock didn’t really mean it” !
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Post by Shania on Apr 8, 2019 15:44:40 GMT
What I would like to know is how Burnley, Barnsley and Brentford i.e. are organised. Do they operate with a DOF?
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Post by Shania on Apr 8, 2019 15:51:00 GMT
I think that's an important point. No one knows for certain what managers Ferdinand has approached or approved. The same as players. However, there are only two possibilities in each scenario; 1) Les has full control 2) Les is always/often undermined. If Les has full control then his decision making for managers has proven to be disastrous and there is no justification for him keeping his job. If he has full control of signings then the rumoured £45k and £38k per week for Wells and Hemed - as speculated in the media/Twitter during the week - suggests that he is a potential risk in this era of austerity QPR in my opinion.
However, if he is being undermined often or, in the worse case scenario, always then there is no justification for keeping him in the position.
And that's my problem. I can't find a single reason for keeping him in the position because he is either useless or has no/little influence so is a waste of money. Isn’t it possible that the 3 of them (Les, Lee and Tony) put together a list that they agree on. Then they vote on top 1. Or someone puts a strong case for one and the others can object if strongly disagree. I think it is Lee and Les who deals (and discuss) with players and decicions on them. |
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 9, 2019 16:44:52 GMT
Isn’t it possible that the 3 of them (Les, Lee and Tony) put together a list that they agree on. Then they vote on top 1. Or someone puts a strong case for one and the others can object if strongly disagree. I think it is Lee and Les who deals (and discuss) with players and decicions on them. I just don't see how anyone could hold up Les's DoF record and find it positive. We're lower than when he arrived. There was never any justification for his appointment, which of course is down to the board. But that's what we do. We're half way to fucking up the next managerial appointment. They have only themselves to blame. They didn't see that a few grand per week from January could have saved looking relegation in the face. SMac's demise dates from that point in time. He was gone then. |
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Post by Shania on Apr 10, 2019 10:54:17 GMT
Cant help thinking that he is our scapegoat these days. He is not on the pitch losing the ball, failing to convert a clear cut chance or even chosing the team and formation..
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Post by Tarbie on Apr 10, 2019 10:55:38 GMT
OLD R: 1) Les has full control 2) Les is always/often undermined. HAL 1) In which case he's shite 2) In which case he's shite. but 3) He didn't appont himself. Fucking board. Again. Nothing to see here. It is the board who appointed him and the board who keep him. You can't help but feel he's a useful idiot for them. Tony needs him cos he hasn't got a clue himself. Simple as that as far as I can tell. |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 23, 2019 14:34:43 GMT
Les: Mark knows where we want to get toby : Paul Morrissey @pjmorrissey77 LES Ferdinand says Mark Warburton has already demonstrated a keenness to develop young players within his squad in the days since his appointment. Warburton was named as the new QPR manager earlier this month. One of his first tasks was to participate in the process regarding the futures of Alex Baptiste, Joel Lynch, Jake Bidwell, Jordan Cousins, Pawel Wszolek, Angel Rangel and Seny Dieng. While the club are in talks with Rangel and Dieng, the other players have all been moved on, and Ferdinand admitted: “We have had to let players go and it’s not an ideal situation. “When we signed these players we wanted them to be developed to put us in a position where we could look at selling them for more than we brought them in. “That hasn’t happened but we will be saving on their wages and it allows us to look at other options.” Warburton has a reputation for working with younger players, notably enjoying success with Brentford and Glasgow Rangers, and Ferdinand added: “We are very pleased. “I am fully aware I have stood here before and said similar to this but we went through a very diligent process and we know where were are and what we are trying to do. “We wanted someone who could come in and develop our younger players. Mark wants to do that and he has the background which proves it. In conversations I am having with him day in, day out, he knows where he wants to get to and how he wants to get there.” QPR head into the 2019/20 season preparing for life after Premier League parachute payments, a challenge Warburton is fully aware of. “It was important he knew the financial constraints he is going to have to work under,” Ferdinand added. “We keep talking about Financial Fair Play and the limitations as a result of that, but that is where we are right now and we have to deal with the challenges from that. “It’s about development and being brave enough to do it.” www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/les-mark-knows-where-we-want-to-get-to/
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Post by esoxlucius on May 23, 2019 14:52:24 GMT
I am grateful that Les & Hoos have been here for the last few years. More and more youngsters coming through with higher skill levels than we have seen in recent past. Award winning community work by the club and especially the response to the Grenfell Tower disaster. IMO, without them we would have gone under a few years ago. He may still be fighting to get things done the right way but I can't think of anyone else I would have in the job, he may have been a Spurs fan growing up he only wants what is best for QPR and he is getting there.
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Post by esoxlucius on May 23, 2019 14:54:11 GMT
The wages put about fit wells and hamef are apparently hugely exaggerated and not even close to that I hope you're right... From the horses mouth, Cameron was getting £35k a week and Stoke were paying half. Similar deals and money for Wells & Hemed. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on May 23, 2019 14:56:30 GMT
Copied and pasted from the McClaren appointment... To be fair he does say “I am fully aware I have stood here before and said similar to this " |
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Post by Hitman34 on May 23, 2019 15:33:58 GMT
In your opinion(s) how justified is criticism of Les in his role as DOF? There seems to be a passionate camp on both sides of the divide but I can't help but think that a lot of people defending him do so as a result of their memories of what he did 25 years ago as a player. Am I wrong? Good thread oldman. i would just like to say that he is part of everything that is wrong with this club. Firstly, he brought politics into the club with his stupid rooney bollocks. there is no place for politics in sport and i totally reject anyone who tries to bring it to our club. secondly, his piss poor appointments of the pe teacher and hasslewank compounded his ineptitude in his position of "advisor" next up, player recruitment. he presided over the signings of sylla, bidwell,woslek, luongo and gladwin, and many others. not 1 penny of profit has been made from those many signings and have all been released on free transfers. luongo is the only one who is still at the club and we will be lucky to get our money back on him. sooner old smiler is gone, the better for me. |
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Post by Hitman34 on May 23, 2019 15:34:57 GMT
forgot to add the worst of the lot............. £3mil for a farking postman.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on May 23, 2019 16:26:07 GMT
Did he preside over the signing of Freeman?
Just asking.
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Post by hubble on May 23, 2019 16:35:40 GMT
Did he preside over the signing of Freeman? Just asking. Ollie said Freeman was down to him in the recent podcast. |
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Post by 1qprdk on May 23, 2019 19:43:03 GMT
forgot to add the worst of the lot............. £3mil for a farking postman. True Hits, but to be fair to Leslie, according to transfermarkt, our accumulated transferfees in/out are plus 1.7 mil.€ since he became DOF. |
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Post by acricketer on May 23, 2019 21:27:17 GMT
I have no idea what a DOF does. Who would be a good example of someone doing the job well and why?
If there is a DOF in place at any club I'm guessing there is a clear strategy and operational plan to follow over a longer period and the manager/coach doesn't matter so much because all of them are following the same blueprint.
(Just struck me that Les didn't really manage Schteeve since there was no discernible player policy in place or commitment to a certain way of playing.)
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Post by hal9thou on May 23, 2019 21:35:52 GMT
Les is here for one reason only - as a cut out between board and gaffer.
His appointment was pants down legacy.
Uncle couldn't trust himself not to get robbed yet again. It might have worked out if he had turned to someone with even basic DoF experience..
Les has had to learn on t'job. The first five years haven't been a glowing endorsement..
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Post by Shania on May 24, 2019 12:59:08 GMT
Les is here for one reason only - as a cut out between board and gaffer. His appointment was pants down legacy. Uncle couldn't trust himself not to get robbed yet again. It might have worked out if he had turned to someone with even basic DoF experience.. Les has had to learn on t'job. The first five years haven't been a glowing endorsement.. MEMO=WE-ALL-HAVE-TO-LOOK-FORWARD-NOW.   |
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Post by esoxlucius on May 24, 2019 20:33:04 GMT
As an aside; are those who think Les is a waste of of space at QPR the same who think Eze is a lazy fücker?
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Post by acricketer on May 24, 2019 22:15:57 GMT
Esox! You're allowed to spell fucker on here!
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Post by esoxlucius on May 25, 2019 6:16:14 GMT
Esox! You're allowed to spell fucker on here! I was showing off my knowledge of diacritics |
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Post by esoxlucius on May 25, 2019 6:16:42 GMT
As an aside; are those who think Les is a waste of of space at QPR the same who think Eze is a lazy fücker? You're not going all Flo Lloyd Hughes on us, are you? What does that mean? |
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Post by Corbray on May 25, 2019 7:00:58 GMT
You're not going all Flo Lloyd Hughes on us, are you? What does that mean? she's on the qpr podcast. i can't remember exactly what she said but it was along the lines of people not liking les because they're prejudice/racist |
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Post by dunraven on May 25, 2019 7:46:28 GMT
As an aside; are those who think Les is a waste of of space at QPR the same who think Eze is a lazy fücker? And those who think Freeman is overrated and Smith is a lump are also guilty of some sort of 'ism'? |
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Post by esoxlucius on May 25, 2019 11:51:02 GMT
Ah OK. I have never listened to a podcast.
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Post by West Acton on May 25, 2019 12:25:03 GMT
She does come out with what appears some intentionally inflammatory comments
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