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Post by Shania on Mar 6, 2022 9:20:54 GMT
Warburton indicated that communication within the squad was not good enough. I`m not sure what that was about....
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Post by The General on Mar 6, 2022 17:01:55 GMT
Honestly think the players are lacking in belief we don’t need any more bloody players
Just the ones we have to grow some and dig in
The strikers are a total disgrace atm
Austin and Dykes bow your heads you’ve let us down this season embarrassing
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Post by The General on Mar 6, 2022 17:03:36 GMT
Had those strikers performed both of them we would be second or third total rubbish
Also changing the winning team in January diabolical managerial decision that warbs
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Post by The General on Mar 6, 2022 17:04:30 GMT
However it’s not over yet
But boy do they need a massive kick up the arse atm
There blowing it badly
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 6, 2022 17:06:27 GMT
Need to smash Luton for points and confidence boost. Not sure we will.
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Post by West Acton on Mar 6, 2022 17:08:36 GMT
Need to smash Luton for points and confidence boost. Not sure we will. smashed reading and got no boost I think tank is Empty |
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 6, 2022 17:52:34 GMT
Honestly think the players are lacking in belief we don’t need any more bloody players Just the ones we have to grow some and dig in The strikers are a total disgrace atm Austin and Dykes bow your heads you’ve let us down this season embarrassing Have to agree with this re strikers. Absolutely fucking awful the pair of them this season. Gray not far behind in truth. And we didn’t need a striker in January ffs. Ridiculous. |
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Post by West Acton on Mar 6, 2022 17:58:39 GMT
I was at my boys football today and one of the dads is borough fan. Got chatting and he was saying how lucky he thought we were to have Dykes. I offered my opinion on him and he was shocked. I asked why he thought he was good and he said because they big him up on quest tv
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Post by Shania on Mar 6, 2022 18:07:43 GMT
Bring in Daniel Farke on a short term contract. He will get us organised and most likely make use of quick and intelligent midfielders like Amos, Dozzell and Thomas on a regular basis, I feel.
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 6, 2022 18:31:50 GMT
I was at my boys football today and one of the dads is borough fan. Got chatting and he was saying how lucky he thought we were to have Dykes. I offered my opinion on him and he was shocked. I asked why he thought he was good and he said because they big him up on quest tv They also cream their pants over Chair every week - it’s in the script no matter what happens. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 6, 2022 21:06:20 GMT
Need to smash Luton for points and confidence boost. Not sure we will. Someone got nicked for smashing luton at last game |
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Post by 1973ranger on Mar 6, 2022 22:35:15 GMT
Honestly think the players are lacking in belief we don’t need any more bloody players Just the ones we have to grow some and dig in The strikers are a total disgrace atm Austin and Dykes bow your heads you’ve let us down this season embarrassing Have to agree with this re strikers. Absolutely fucking awful the pair of them this season. Gray not far behind in truth. And we didn’t need a striker in January ffs. Ridiculous. Austin needs pulling up regarding his fitness since day one of the season. One fit striker yesterday is absolutely shocking for a team who was going for promotion. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 6, 2022 23:27:49 GMT
Have to agree with this re strikers. Absolutely fucking awful the pair of them this season. Gray not far behind in truth. And we didn’t need a striker in January ffs. Ridiculous. Austin needs pulling up regarding his fitness since day one of the season. One fit striker yesterday is absolutely shocking for a team who was going for promotion. Totally agree. He’s looked crocked since day 1 against Millwall. We’ve got another year of him too. Unfortunately he’s finished. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Mar 6, 2022 23:45:28 GMT
Austin needs pulling up regarding his fitness since day one of the season. One fit striker yesterday is absolutely shocking for a team who was going for promotion. Totally agree. He’s looked crocked since day 1 against Millwall. We’ve got another year of him too. Unfortunately he’s finished. The club need to look at him over the course of the seaaon and also who decided that the three muskerteers up front were good enough to fire us to promotion and not sign another front man. Whoever made that choice has cost us a strong finish to the season |
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Post by acricketer on Mar 7, 2022 0:21:18 GMT
I don't think our strikers are the problem. I think lack of pace starting attacks from the back 3 and ineffectual midfield vison and adventure putting strikers in with a chance.Willock Chair "I know where you are bro as long as it's in a little square nowhere near dangerous attacking territory - have been pretty and ineffectual.
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Post by James1979 on Mar 7, 2022 7:02:40 GMT
Johansen is vital to us. He’s top quality when on form. Without him, we are not a top 6 side. Add to fact that Chair has to be frank been awful since he came back from Afcon. He should have been out and Thomas or Amos in ages ago.
I don’t believe signing a load of strikers would have made a difference. I don’t think we’re creating enough good chances for us to blame the strikers.
Whilst having a brain fart last time, Sanderson has to come back in when back from suspension. Play Johansen as we need to play him irrespective of form. I’d go with Amos away from home and Thomas at home. Willock and Gray further forward.
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 7, 2022 7:17:10 GMT
I agree we don’t create enough for the strikers but that’s only half the story. We try to play like a second rate Man City but we’re not good enough. We haven’t got enough pace or movement to play a false nine so we need our striker(s) to move defenders around and they don’t. Austin knows how but he’s not fit enough to do it now and he wants a fight all the time. Dykes hasn’t got a clue about pulling defenders out of position and Gray’s game is to make runs across and behind but we rarely hit him quickly.
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 7, 2022 8:14:33 GMT
Johansen is vital to us. He’s top quality when on form. Without him, we are not a top 6 side. Add to fact that Chair has to be frank been awful since he came back from Afcon. He should have been out and Thomas or Amos in ages ago. I don’t believe signing a load of strikers would have made a difference. I don’t think we’re creating enough good chances for us to blame the strikers. Whilst having a brain fart last time, Sanderson has to come back in when back from suspension. Play Johansen as we need to play him irrespective of form. I’d go with Amos away from home and Thomas at home. Willock and Gray further forward. So many points I don't agree with here. 1) 'I don't believe in signing a load of strikers' - No mate just the 1 would have been good. I urge you to check our strikers scoring stats. 2) 'Play Johansen as we need to play him irrespective of form - Haha really? So in one breath you say Chair should be dropped due to form but then say SJ should play irrespective of form? Bit odd that outlook. SJ has been so average it hurts. 3) I don’t think we’re creating enough good chances for us to blame the strikers. - Check the league table before our recent blip. You don't get to 3rd in the table without creating chances. We are so lucky this season we've had midfielders who have chipped in with goals. Our strikers this season have been frankly awful. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 7, 2022 8:32:50 GMT
We haven’t got enough pace or movement to play a false nine so we need our striker(s) to move defenders around and they don’t. Austin knows how but he’s not fit enough to do it now and he wants a fight all the time. Dykes hasn’t got a clue about pulling defenders out of position and Gray’s game is to make runs across and behind but we rarely hit him quickly. You're spot on about the problem with the strikers, but isn't the lack of movement a midfield issue too? Otherwise why are we seeing the back 5 constantly pass it side to side? It seems the whole side looks static when we have possession at the back. If a player ahead is marked then it's their job to make runs, draw their markers, create space for team-mates to run into and receive the ball. I see scant evidence of that with us now. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 7, 2022 9:49:20 GMT
We haven’t got enough pace or movement to play a false nine so we need our striker(s) to move defenders around and they don’t. Austin knows how but he’s not fit enough to do it now and he wants a fight all the time. Dykes hasn’t got a clue about pulling defenders out of position and Gray’s game is to make runs across and behind but we rarely hit him quickly. You're spot on about the problem with the strikers, but isn't the lack of movement a midfield issue too? Otherwise why are we seeing the back 5 constantly pass it side to side? It seems the whole side looks static when we have possession at the back. If a player ahead is marked then it's their job to make runs, draw their markers, create space for team-mates to run into and receive the ball. I see scant evidence of that with us now. City on a different planet to us so NOT making direct comparisons except to say yesterday v Utd was a masterclass on how we TRY to play. They looked like they had 14 on the pitch. They knock it back and across like we do but suddenly there is an explosion of action and there are 3,4,5 of them bearing down on goal. We haven’t got a DeBruyne tho😂 |
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Post by James1979 on Mar 7, 2022 10:40:36 GMT
Johansen is vital to us. He’s top quality when on form. Without him, we are not a top 6 side. Add to fact that Chair has to be frank been awful since he came back from Afcon. He should have been out and Thomas or Amos in ages ago. I don’t believe signing a load of strikers would have made a difference. I don’t think we’re creating enough good chances for us to blame the strikers. Whilst having a brain fart last time, Sanderson has to come back in when back from suspension. Play Johansen as we need to play him irrespective of form. I’d go with Amos away from home and Thomas at home. Willock and Gray further forward. So many points I don't agree with here. 1) 'I don't believe in signing a load of strikers' - No mate just the 1 would have been good. I urge you to check our strikers scoring stats. 2) 'Play Johansen as we need to play him irrespective of form - Haha really? So in one breath you say Chair should be dropped due to form but then say SJ should play irrespective of form? Bit odd that outlook. SJ has been so average it hurts. 3) I don’t think we’re creating enough good chances for us to blame the strikers. - Check the league table before our recent blip. You don't get to 3rd in the table without creating chances. We are so lucky this season we've had midfielders who have chipped in with goals. Our strikers this season have been frankly awful. 1) Our formation is 1 up front. To have a striker that can play that role well and score loads of goals costs shed loads. Each of the three bring different strengths and weaknesses when playing that position. I’d say Gray is best finisher but Dykes is probably best all round option. To get the striker you are craving is unrealistic for us as a club. Got to manage what we have. 2) ha ha ha…yes. The chair position is covered by Thomas and Amos. I don’t think in the squad we have a player who can do what Johansen does and brings to our team. Got to get him back firing. 3) Playing our formation is about the forward up front running the channels and making chances and creating space for likes of Willock to score. Far too simplistic to look at stats. I say again, a forward who can play as 1 striker and scores loads of goals costs a fortune and difficult to come by. |
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Post by spongeparr on Mar 7, 2022 11:22:34 GMT
It's a bit of everything but it's also a bit chicken and egg.
Against Cardiff, we played with a lot of pace and purpose to start with, and we looked good. Looked like we should but then we went to shit in the second half.
I have said so many times that our wing backs aren't offering enough. Moses (prob the best we have?) is constantly so far forward that he can't get the ball and is then out of position. Rather than building up with the ball and then running in behind rather than it being a punt.
Gray is our best striker, but we don't do enough through balls. Everything, and literally everything, goes out wide. Either to Chair or Willock. Neither slip a ball through to the striker who is running of the shoulder.
Id love us to mix it up and play 4 at the back, but I know we wont. But we need more energy in the middle. Field sits and does it well. Johansen gets around which is good but then you need someone else doing it as well. We look best with Amos in there as he does also get around and has a bit about him.
You look at other teams, and they get men in the box. We don't. We get a striker in there (sometimes) and then we have all the midfielders queing on the edge of the box wanting the cut back. We are really predictable especially when we don't do it at pace and you don't have anyone breaking in behind making runs.
People above talk about City. City get men running in behind. We have no one, other than Gray, who runs behind a man wanting the ball. It's all to feet or all out wide and then cut back onto the right foot.
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Post by jfrabbit on Mar 7, 2022 11:33:15 GMT
So many points I don't agree with here. 1) 'I don't believe in signing a load of strikers' - No mate just the 1 would have been good. I urge you to check our strikers scoring stats. 2) 'Play Johansen as we need to play him irrespective of form - Haha really? So in one breath you say Chair should be dropped due to form but then say SJ should play irrespective of form? Bit odd that outlook. SJ has been so average it hurts. 3) I don’t think we’re creating enough good chances for us to blame the strikers. - Check the league table before our recent blip. You don't get to 3rd in the table without creating chances. We are so lucky this season we've had midfielders who have chipped in with goals. Our strikers this season have been frankly awful. 1) Our formation is 1 up front. To have a striker that can play that role well and score loads of goals costs shed loads. Each of the three bring different strengths and weaknesses when playing that position. I’d say Gray is best finisher but Dykes is probably best all round option. To get the striker you are craving is unrealistic for us as a club. Got to manage what we have. 2) ha ha ha…yes. The chair position is covered by Thomas and Amos. I don’t think in the squad we have a player who can do what Johansen does and brings to our team. Got to get him back firing. 3) Playing our formation is about the forward up front running the channels and making chances and creating space for likes of Willock to sco re. Far too simplistic to look at stats. I say again, a forward who can play as 1 striker and scores loads of goals costs a fortune and difficult to come by.1) Missing the point again. No one would expect the all round striker you're describing. We would have been happy with A striker. A striker that would have given a different option and skill set to the group as our own 3 are clearly struggling. 2) Exactly my point. He isn't firing and hasn't all season so deserves to be dropped. For me Thomas / Ball / Dozzell deserve more game time as I personally think they bring more than SJ does. 3) It does make me laugh I'll be honest the way you've tried to dress it up. Stats for a striker is literally what counts when it comes to goals. I wouldn't mind if ours were offering loads in terms of assists or bringing others into play, they're not! Hence why Les Ferdinand has gone on record to say a forward was offered to MW who said he was happy with what we had. Very odd. Anyway always good to get differing opinions. |
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Post by 72bus on Mar 7, 2022 11:56:21 GMT
Feel sometimes that willock and chair both play in a 10 roll and get in eachothers way . As said stop the constant cutting back with the ball . Drive forward and take risks
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 7, 2022 12:13:24 GMT
It went wrong when we got relegated
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 7, 2022 12:30:45 GMT
It's a bit of everything but it's also a bit chicken and egg. Against Cardiff, we played with a lot of pace and purpose to start with, and we looked good. Looked like we should but then we went to shit in the second half. I have said so many times that our wing backs aren't offering enough. Moses (prob the best we have?) is constantly so far forward that he can't get the ball and is then out of position. Rather than building up with the ball and then running in behind rather than it being a punt. Gray is our best striker, but we don't do enough through balls. Everything, and literally everything, goes out wide. Either to Chair or Willock. Neither slip a ball through to the striker who is running of the shoulder. Id love us to mix it up and play 4 at the back, but I know we wont. But we need more energy in the middle. Field sits and does it well. Johansen gets around which is good but then you need someone else doing it as well. We look best with Amos in there as he does also get around and has a bit about him. You look at other teams, and they get men in the box. We don't. We get a striker in there (sometimes) and then we have all the midfielders queing on the edge of the box wanting the cut back. We are really predictable especially when we don't do it at pace and you don't have anyone breaking in behind making runs. People above talk about City. City get men running in behind. We have no one, other than Gray, who runs behind a man wanting the ball. It's all to feet or all out wide and then cut back onto the right foot. All that is bang on. We’ve been sussed from earlier in season. You say we started well then faded - that’s because teams know if they can resist we run out of ideas. 72 mentions two no. 10s - maybe that’s why we were good without Chair, it was doing something DIFFERENT having been forced to do so. This kept our momentum going until we reverted to what teams expect when he came back. Totally agree Amos point. |
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Post by Bill on Mar 7, 2022 12:37:53 GMT
All i see is excuse after excuse.
Its the managers fault for this current run end of.
For reasons i have outlined before.
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Post by Rangers77 on Mar 7, 2022 12:38:46 GMT
Feel sometimes that willock and chair both play in a 10 roll and get in eachothers way . As said stop the constant cutting back with the ball . Drive forward and take risks That is a very good point. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 7, 2022 12:42:44 GMT
All i see is excuse after excuse. Its the managers fault for this current run end of. For reasons i have outlined before. You tell em, warbs a cant |
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Post by BrightonR on Mar 7, 2022 12:44:38 GMT
1) Our formation is 1 up front. To have a striker that can play that role well and score loads of goals costs shed loads. Each of the three bring different strengths and weaknesses when playing that position. I’d say Gray is best finisher but Dykes is probably best all round option. To get the striker you are craving is unrealistic for us as a club. Got to manage what we have. 2) ha ha ha…yes. The chair position is covered by Thomas and Amos. I don’t think in the squad we have a player who can do what Johansen does and brings to our team. Got to get him back firing. 3) Playing our formation is about the forward up front running the channels and making chances and creating space for likes of Willock to sco re. Far too simplistic to look at stats. I say again, a forward who can play as 1 striker and scores loads of goals costs a fortune and difficult to come by.1) Missing the point again. No one would expect the all round striker you're describing. We would have been happy with A striker. A striker that would have given a different option and skill set to the group as our own 3 are clearly struggling. 2) Exactly my point. He isn't firing and hasn't all season so deserves to be dropped. For me Thomas / Ball / Dozzell deserve more game time as I personally think they bring more than SJ does. 3) It does make me laugh I'll be honest the way you've tried to dress it up. Stats for a striker is literally what counts when it comes to goals. I wouldn't mind if ours were offering loads in terms of assists or bringing others into play, they're not! Hence why Les Ferdinand has gone on record to say a forward was offered to MW who said he was happy with what we had. Very odd. Anyway always good to get differing opinions. In fairness to Warburton, I guess it very much depends on WHO was offered. I’ve seen us play several, where it’s debatable as to if they are any better than me.😂 |
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