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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 10, 2022 7:01:12 GMT
Lack of backbone/perspective can be seen as not recognising something is not right and pretending everything is fine. No its not all fine, I realise that, all I question is whether constantly moaning that its not fine helps. Not saying you are moaning, its just my overall impression from seeing some QPR social media today having carefully avoided it for a while. It isn’t moaning, moaning is talking about trying to have a piss at half time if you’re in Ellerslie. If we all just say ‘oh well, never mind’ there would be no debate, or passion, about anything in life - and it is getting like that, blind acceptance or you are a moaner. Me and Bill come from different times when it was acceptable to have a different view to a vocal minority. The criticism of the last few weeks is down to frustration about all the points covered many times. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 10, 2022 7:14:54 GMT
There is a bit of re-writing history that goes on. I’ve never been fully sold on MW - as Westy will testify as he never lets me off lightly - but we needed stability so I understood he was here to stay. Let’s not forget though that he has previous of screwing it up and THE CLUB got him out of trouble Jan last year by bringing in Austin and Johansen when we were shit, heading DOWN the table and couldn’t buy a goal, especially Dykes. He had messed about with team selections and subs Does sound familiar at the moment doesn’t it?
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 10, 2022 7:56:13 GMT
Once again this cannot be understated - constructive criticism and debate is the very lifeblood of forums such as this. It's important to draw a clear distinction between this and so-called 'moaning' for the sake of it. No its not all fine, I realise that, all I question is whether constantly moaning that its not fine helps. Not saying you are moaning, its just my overall impression from seeing some QPR social media today having carefully avoided it for a while. It isn’t moaning, moaning is talking about trying to have a piss at half time if you’re in Ellerslie. If we all just say ‘oh well, never mind’ there would be no debate, or passion, about anything in life - and it is getting like that, blind acceptance or you are a moaner. Me and Bill come from different times when it was acceptable to have a different view to a vocal minority. The criticism of the last few weeks is down to frustration about all the points covered many times. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 10, 2022 8:15:53 GMT
This board has balance, nothing stupid or too outlandish. A good range of different views and ages. Good to air all sides of a debate.
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Post by 1973ranger on Mar 10, 2022 8:38:18 GMT
The bottom line is we were in touching distance of an automatic spot and are now out of the play offs. Team selection, lack of bringing a fit striker in during January and total loss of form have been the causes of our drop down the table. And a question for those using the "we have overachieved" line. Are you happy with the current situation considering where we were?
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Post by sparks on Mar 10, 2022 10:29:28 GMT
I personally found it very odd that Hendrick and Eustace were filmed alone on the pitch during the MW Millwall interview,especially when he talks about the players having clear the air talks in the dressing room. I would suggest MW broke the spine of team togetherness in the dressing room by making immediate wholesale changes to the initial match day squad irrespective of first earning the right to be selected. It’s no coincidence that the likes of Ball,Dozzell,Thomas Amos and Kakay were mentioned in the interview and since been reintroduced but clearly team spirit has been damaged. www.qpr.co.uk/videos/interviews/150222-mark-warburton-reflects-on-millwall-loss/ |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 10, 2022 12:37:01 GMT
There is a bit of re-writing history that goes on. I’ve never been fully sold on MW - as Westy will testify as he never lets me off lightly - but we needed stability so I understood he was here to stay. Let’s not forget though that he has previous of screwing it up and THE CLUB got him out of trouble Jan last year by bringing in Austin and Johansen when we were shit, heading DOWN the table and couldn’t buy a goal, especially Dykes. He had messed about with team selections and subs Does sound familiar at the moment doesn’t it? Don't disagree with anything here. Am not a Warbs fanboy, am sure he makes mistakes. I just think he has done better than any recent manager and as you say has given us that much needed stability. Also managers making unpopular decisions goes with the territory and there is a risk with every decision - if it works the manager is a genius, if it doesn't he's suddenly a moron. As a teenager I used to get irate with Terry Venables for playing Gary Micklewhite instead of Tony Currie and then moving Terry Fenwick from right back to centre half which meant no place for Glenn Roeder - but Venables was one of the best managers in Europe, so what did I know as a fan? |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 10, 2022 12:41:21 GMT
Once again this cannot be understated - constructive criticism and debate is the very lifeblood of forums such as this. It's important to draw a clear distinction between this and so-called 'moaning' for the sake of it. It isn’t moaning, moaning is talking about trying to have a piss at half time if you’re in Ellerslie. If we all just say ‘oh well, never mind’ there would be no debate, or passion, about anything in life - and it is getting like that, blind acceptance or you are a moaner. Me and Bill come from different times when it was acceptable to have a different view to a vocal minority. The criticism of the last few weeks is down to frustration about all the points covered many times. Yes indeed and 99% of the criticism on this site at least is well reasoned, less so on Twitter. But sometimes the debates even here can become a bit repetitive ("why oh why didn't we buy a striker in Jan?") and there comes a point when neither side is going to change their mind, there is nothing that can be done about it anyway, all the arguments have been gone over and its just best to move on. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 10, 2022 12:52:43 GMT
Re Hendrix, I questioned the signing at the time and just didn't see the point of it. But equally I had never heard of Jimmy Dunne and wasn't massively excited about his arrival, yet look how he has turned out. Every club makes transfers that don't work. With Hendrix he isn't a bad player - we have signed a hell of a lot worse - and he hasn't done badly, its more that he does much the same as several players we already have. He plays miles too deep for me but then so does Stef most of the time, so is it the player or the coaching? Whether he has had a disruptive effect we don't know, that is very much speculation. Before he arrived we won several matches very, very narrowly not playing brilliantly either. Am not convinced our form has massively trailed off on the whole (we have had some very bad performances like at Blackburn, but I'm talking overall), its more that whereas those famous "fine margins" were working in our favour they are now working against us. And obvs after a few defeats confidence drops. It could just as easily have happened pre-Christmas IMHO.
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 10, 2022 13:03:55 GMT
Am not a Warbs fanboy, am sure he makes mistakes. I just think he has done better than any recent manager All things in perspective, I posted here the other day that he's been our best manager in 10 years (Warnock Mk1), and noted that not one person disagreed. Can he be frustrating at times? Can he make mistakes and inexplicable decisions? Yes, undoubtedly. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 10, 2022 15:12:01 GMT
Shut up you big bunch of tarts. Squabbling like bints in Primark. We could have worse fortunes, there’s people a hell of a lot worse off and plenty plenty hard days to come. Have u cants seen Kent!
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 10, 2022 15:27:40 GMT
Shut up you big bunch of tarts. Squabbling like bints in Primark. We could have worse fortunes, there’s people a hell of a lot worse off and plenty plenty hard days to come. Have u cants seen Kent! Hahahaha! God's own county. If the QE2 Bridge collapsed it would do us all a favour. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 10, 2022 17:18:21 GMT
We going for independence in Essex. We shall fund our services by putting up the coke that u all sniff that comes through gods own land.
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 10, 2022 18:36:41 GMT
Spot on Bill, alanwycombe and 1973ranger . The thing is it's so easy and convenient to say we've 'overachieved' after the event. To me that's just succumbing to Inferiority Complex based on us being a smaller club - a trap that many of us fall into. I understand it's probably a comforting way for a fan to reconcile their feelings on it, but that doesn't make it true. No, we did NOT overachieve. We got there wholly on merit and were playing some very entertaining football in the process. We then imploded from the beginning of February (reasons for which we've all discussed in other posts). It's a bitter pill to swallow but in my view that's the harsh reality. You just hope the club can learn from this. Ginger makes a fair point about the huge difference in expenditure between us and other teams around us, to which I argue, historically that has always been the QPR way. Historically QPR is a smaller club that has always punched above its weight, and at times have achieved incredible feats through that adversity. |
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Post by West Acton on Mar 10, 2022 18:51:54 GMT
alanwycombe think when you said different time you could have said pre historic when loftus road was situated in the old continent Pangaea
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 10, 2022 19:16:02 GMT
alanwycombe think when you said different time you could have said pre historic when loftus road was situated in the old continent Pangaea When the call up papers go out Wycombe and bill have last laugh when u on front line and they too old |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 10, 2022 20:14:19 GMT
alanwycombe think when you said different time you could have said pre historic when loftus road was situated in the old continent Pangaea When the call up papers go out Wycombe and bill have last laugh when u on front line and they too old We’ve done our bit, we grew up in the late 60s/70s….that wasn’t easy 😂 |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 10, 2022 20:27:52 GMT
I think people forget the owners when we talk about missing an opportunity. It’s not just about the fans, I’m sure the owners would like some big money coming back in for a change. We are lucky to have the owners we’ve got. As for a new stadium, I reckon you can forget that as long as we are in the championship. Not exactly a hot topic anymore is it?
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Post by West Acton on Mar 10, 2022 20:55:12 GMT
When the call up papers go out Wycombe and bill have last laugh when u on front line and they too old We’ve done our bit, we grew up in the late 60s/70s….that wasn’t easy 😂 60/70s ungroomed hairy beevers 🤢 |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 10, 2022 21:11:54 GMT
Westy,you shouldn't mock them. You try doing national service in jungle of Malaya in huge flared combat trousers.
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 10, 2022 21:20:20 GMT
We’ve done our bit, we grew up in the late 60s/70s….that wasn’t easy 😂 60/70s ungroomed hairy beevers 🤢 True😁 |
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Post by 1973ranger on Mar 10, 2022 22:18:17 GMT
I would question the expenditure side of things as Willock cost us 700k or so and his wages are bound to be less than Austin's. My point is we have bought well and found a gems who have proven to be the equal to a lot of higher paid and profile players. So we have really underachieved more scouted and invested well.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 10, 2022 22:53:55 GMT
alanwycombe think when you said different time you could have said pre historic when loftus road was situated in the old continent Pangaea When the call up papers go out Wycombe and bill have last laugh when u on front line and they too old And you too short |
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Post by 1qprdk on Mar 10, 2022 22:54:24 GMT
Spot on Bill , alanwycombe and 1973ranger . The thing is it's so easy and convenient to say we've 'overachieved' after the event. To me that's just succumbing to Inferiority Complex based on us being a smaller club - a trap that many of us fall into. I understand it's probably a comforting way for a fan to reconcile their feelings on it, but that doesn't make it true. No, we did NOT overachieve. We got there wholly on merit and were playing some very entertaining football in the process. We then imploded from the beginning of February (reasons for which we've all discussed in other posts). It's a bitter pill to swallow but in my view that's the harsh reality. You just hope the club can learn from this. Ginger makes a fair point about the huge difference in expenditure between us and other teams around us, to which I argue, historically that has always been the QPR way. Historically QPR is a smaller club that has always punched above its weight, and at times have achieved incredible feats through that adversity. Think most on here expected the team to be in or at least flirting wth the playoffs, which is also the impression you get, when looking through the season prediction thread here: rfantasyisland.boards.net/thread/2039/2021-22-qpr-predictionsThis optimism was for most of us probably based on our strong second half of last season, and then seeing we kept the squad together. Now most of the important players to that strong finish, have been disappointing this season, eg. Stef, Chaz, Dykes, Gizmo (sent on loan ffs), but somehow we've managed to be up there anyway, which tells me I was right to expect a top 6 finish from this team. Another strange thing was that I was personally very concerned about the impact of AFCON on our January, but it turned out to be our best month so far! So for me it is quite frustrating that we may have fucked it up yet again, when we looked to have come through the challenge of January even stronger, and were set up perfectly for chasing 2nd. If we end up outside the playoffs I will be thoroughly disappointed, but still proud of what the club has achieved these last years on a very modest budget. U R's |
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Post by Shania on Mar 10, 2022 23:02:36 GMT
If the coaches can teach Chair, the most obvious excample, to run with his head up and release the ball when he should, there`s a good chance that we can get back on track again..
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Post by BrightonR on Mar 11, 2022 7:24:24 GMT
Being behind Luton after 35 games isn’t in any way, shape or form what could be classed as over achieving.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 11, 2022 8:23:58 GMT
Being behind Luton after 35 games isn’t in any way, shape or form what could be classed as over achieving. Rumours abound that a lot of this Ukraine war footage of damage isn’t actually Ukraine, but fake news filmed in Luton. |
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