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Post by West Acton on Mar 23, 2022 18:24:58 GMT
Where did I say I expect board to bail anyone out?
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 18:32:39 GMT
Wrong choice of words.
You suggested a few more top quality players needed ?
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 18:39:36 GMT
Other than Willock and perhaps Dunne don’t realistically see too much profit if any in any player MW has brought in during his reign.
Being a successful manager is all well and good but if a club in our situation is not making money on transfers then questions are bound to asked by owners and fans.
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Post by The General on Mar 23, 2022 19:08:13 GMT
For what it`s worth, Stefan J. was impressed by Warburton`s training methods in a meeting on teams with the Norwegian R`s a few weeks back. Ps. It must be a problem that the Board doesn`t have at least one member with experience from the top-flight? Perhaps Stefan should show up for a game or 2 and save Warburton his job then. Him and Austin have been shocking this season. Funny how players lose form when they get their 2 year bumper contracts. Top post this so true |
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Post by Rangers77 on Mar 24, 2022 0:24:20 GMT
FFP won't apply to the Euro Super League Blue, Red and White cunts, will it?
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Post by hal9thou on Mar 24, 2022 19:30:29 GMT
Rumours that new FFP rules expected will be more stringent based on 70% of income allowed on expenditure You have already stated you expect no players to leave for significant fees but you want the board to bail him out again. It don’t make sense as if we don’t sell we’re going to break FFP rules. What people need to understand is that not going up and staying within FFP is going to cost us massively, we're loosing money as is. Under those circs, there was a strong argument for investing more during the window, as previously discussed. It wouldn't surprise me if what they want really want upstairs is a buy out. That way they minimise costs to the point where we can just stay in this division, job done. Then it's a waiting game. That is the only possible explanation of the way those guys are doing business. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 24, 2022 19:57:37 GMT
I doubt we’ll ever get to the bottom of ‘January’ Hal. How a class striker like our DOF could ever agree we didn’t need a striker or how astute businessmen let the the chance of £160m slip and why we panicked last minute to bring in a pointless loan will remain mysteries.
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Post by Tarbie on Mar 24, 2022 20:23:30 GMT
Don't think there is any big mystery to what happened in the January window. Attacking players for what we wanted to pay were thin on the ground and the club didn't feel as strongly as most on here that we needed one. Convinced ourself that an extra midfielder and a supposed defensive upgrade would do us. Obviously with hindsight we look a bit daft, but hindsight is 20/20.
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 24, 2022 20:49:34 GMT
Can’t believe ‘the club’ didn’t want a striker and can’t believe there isn’t a decent fringe player out there looking for his break who would have come for what we are wasting on Hendrick.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 24, 2022 22:32:26 GMT
I doubt we’ll ever get to the bottom of ‘January’ Hal. How a class striker like our DOF could ever agree we didn’t need a striker or how astute businessmen let the the chance of £160m slip and why we panicked last minute to bring in a pointless loan will remain mysteries. You talk about “astute businessmen” but what they are probably weighing up and you - it seems from this post - are not is that signing x striker does not guarantee 160m. They are not stupid. Of course they wd sign such a striker if it did. Don’t insult their intelligence by making out it is so simple. It guarantees no such thing. WBA paid way more for a striker in Jan than we cd have afforded. Has that guaranteed them 160m? Er, thought not |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 24, 2022 22:46:07 GMT
I doubt we’ll ever get to the bottom of ‘January’ Hal. How a class striker like our DOF could ever agree we didn’t need a striker or how astute businessmen let the the chance of £160m slip and why we panicked last minute to bring in a pointless loan will remain mysteries. You talk about “astute businessmen” but what they are probably weighing up and you - it seems from this post - are not is that signing x striker does not guarantee 160m. They are not stupid. Of course they wd sign such a striker if it did. Don’t insult their intelligence by making out it is so simple. It guarantees no such thing. WBA paid way more for a striker in Jan than we cd have afforded. Has that guaranteed them 160m? Er, thought not No coincidence that every team that brought someone in has pushed on largely at our expense. Some may not have scored but the overall impact of strengthening a team benefits all players. As for astute businessmen and what I don’t understand, I didn’t say anything about guaranteeing £160m just giving themselves more of a chance. Do you understand the difference between a chance and a guarantee? I see you haven’t jumped on my reasoning about bringing someone in - if it works the money doesn’t matter, if it doesn’t they go back anyway. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 24, 2022 22:55:13 GMT
And we can do without ‘Er, thought not’ this isn’t a playground, we’re adults.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 24, 2022 23:37:44 GMT
You talk about “astute businessmen” but what they are probably weighing up and you - it seems from this post - are not is that signing x striker does not guarantee 160m. They are not stupid. Of course they wd sign such a striker if it did. Don’t insult their intelligence by making out it is so simple. It guarantees no such thing. WBA paid way more for a striker in Jan than we cd have afforded. Has that guaranteed them 160m? Er, thought not No coincidence that every team that brought someone in has pushed on largely at our expense. Some may not have scored but the overall impact of strengthening a team benefits all players. As for astute businessmen and what I don’t understand, I didn’t say anything about guaranteeing £160m just giving themselves more of a chance. Do you understand the difference between a chance and a guarantee? I see you haven’t jumped on my reasoning about bringing someone in - if it works the money doesn’t matter, if it doesn’t they go back anyway. I do understand chance of gain but do you understand chance of loss - ie another 40m fine (prob more for a second offence) for breaking financial fair play? The only reason we managed to avoid FFP fines last year was by selling Eze for 17m. hand on heart have we got another player worth 17m? (It would actually need to be more this time due to lower gate receipts as a result of Covid). Yet you are saying the board are not astute because they didn’t spend even more above our means and risk even greater financial shit? |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 24, 2022 23:42:08 GMT
You make it sound like it was a purely zero sum game with no possible downside to spending that money. As I pointed out with the example of WBA (or Derby County, or Reading in terms of sanctions) that is clearly not the case.
But so many fans just think about the possible prize this season and ignore the massive booby trap with high explosives sitting right in front of it.
That might be inconvenient to you because it stops you getting what you want but don’t criticise the boards for weighing up the downsides as well as the upsides.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 24, 2022 23:47:39 GMT
By the way even if it works it does matter.
We are not Man City - sooner or later we will be relegsted.
Even if it’s 20 years later the FFP fine will be imposed.
And then if you have to explain to a child or a nephew some
years down the line that we might no longer have a club to support because some fans insisted we buy players we couldn’t afford, how would you justify the logic of those demands?
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Post by 1qprdk on Mar 25, 2022 1:16:45 GMT
Certainly will be interesting to see how close we are/were to the ffp limits this season. Until then you may both be right stainrodisalegend and alanwycombe. Either way there's still a solid argument that we wasted a healthy chunk of wages on an imposter and a mophead doofus, but that's easy to say now. I just remember thinking: 'oh no, I wish they hadn't', when we signed JH, but was hoping he would prove me wrong. Alas, he didn't. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Mar 25, 2022 1:32:10 GMT
Who thinks the JH signing was just Eustace helping out his mate from the Derby days?
#eustaceout
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Post by West Acton on Mar 25, 2022 6:27:20 GMT
And we can do without ‘Er, thought not’ this isn’t a playground, we’re adults. who made you headmaster? 😂 |
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Post by West Acton on Mar 25, 2022 6:31:31 GMT
I’m sure it will all come out at some point
Perhaps would be a good question for next fans forum instead of some of the pathetic non questions asked which can be simply brushed off
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 25, 2022 8:09:21 GMT
And we can do without ‘Er, thought not’ this isn’t a playground, we’re adults. who made you headmaster? 😂 Trying to make me look a twat is your job |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 25, 2022 8:19:08 GMT
You make it sound like it was a purely zero sum game with no possible downside to spending that money. As I pointed out with the example of WBA (or Derby County, or Reading in terms of sanctions) that is clearly not the case. But so many fans just think about the possible prize this season and ignore the massive booby trap with high explosives sitting right in front of it. That might be inconvenient to you because it stops you getting what you want but don’t criticise the boards for weighing up the downsides as well as the upsides. We lose money all the time that’s why we’re lucky to have our owners and why we have to sell players. Your spending argument doesn’t stack up because we’re spending unnecessarily on Hendrick. I would like you to have the courtesy to not tell me what I think - I don’t do that to people and don’t base opinion of me on what Westy posts, he’d argue with me if I said it gets dark at night. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 25, 2022 8:23:44 GMT
You make it sound like it was a purely zero sum game with no possible downside to spending that money. As I pointed out with the example of WBA (or Derby County, or Reading in terms of sanctions) that is clearly not the case. But so many fans just think about the possible prize this season and ignore the massive booby trap with high explosives sitting right in front of it. That might be inconvenient to you because it stops you getting what you want but don’t criticise the boards for weighing up the downsides as well as the upsides. I don’t know what you read but I’ve never criticised this board - quite the opposite….many times. Jumping on posts is one of the reasons this board was set up as an alternative to WATRBs. It doesn’t happen here. Except Westy on mine and most people have worked out I don’t give a shit. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 25, 2022 8:32:24 GMT
Can’t believe ‘the club’ didn’t want a striker and can’t believe there isn’t a decent fringe player out there looking for his break who would have come for what we are wasting on Hendrick. Just repeating this for stainrod (and my mate) so he can see I wasn’t suggesting we put ourselves in any jeopardy more than the pointless move for Hendrick. Thanks for the like Shania. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 25, 2022 8:35:55 GMT
I’m sure it will all come out at some point Perhaps would be a good question for next fans forum instead of some of the pathetic non questions asked which can be simply brushed off You should go next time |
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Post by West Acton on Mar 25, 2022 8:51:47 GMT
who made you headmaster? 😂 Trying to make me look a twat is your job I gave up that job age’s ago your’re doing grand job all alone 😁 |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 25, 2022 9:01:05 GMT
None taken.
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Post by 2Loftus on Mar 25, 2022 9:07:58 GMT
Trying to make me look a twat is your job I gave up that job age’s ago your’re doing grand job all alone 😁 Boys, boys, settle down or you'll be seeing me in my office after school... |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 25, 2022 9:47:00 GMT
Certainly will be interesting to see how close we are/were to the ffp limits this season. Until then you may both be right stainrodisalegend and alanwycombe . Either way there's still a solid argument that we wasted a healthy chunk of wages on an imposter and a mophead doofus, but that's easy to say now. I just remember thinking: 'oh no, I wish they hadn't', when we signed JH, but was hoping he would prove me wrong. Alas, he didn't. I certainly agree on Hendrix. Posted here on transfer deadline night I didn't see the point of it. I don't think there were funds to buy an out and out striker of the quality that would transform our season. And Lawrence was clearly too expensive. But I do wonder if the one who got away was Paterson. He is no world beater and maybe more a number 10 than an out and out striker but did have a good goals/ assist record in the first half the season. Its easy to be wise in hindsight as the manager wasn't to know Chair would lose form and Willock would lose form/ get injured but our decline has prob been as much due to the fall off in performance from that "number 10" role as lack of goals from a "number 9" so might have given us that forward momentum and spark we have been lacking. All ifs and maybes of course but wonder just how much more expensive he would have been than Hendrix (I guess he would have come with a modest transfer fee but prob would have demanded a two or three year contract, whereas Hendrix we can send packing at the end of the season thank god). Newcastle have loads of money now, could be we got him for very little as Newcastle just wanted him in the shop window. In hindsight it was still a mistake even if he was free as for whatever reason he has disrupted the squad. But there's so much that goes on that we as fans don't know about which is why I think we should be a little careful of giving the club both barrels. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 25, 2022 9:52:28 GMT
You make it sound like it was a purely zero sum game with no possible downside to spending that money. As I pointed out with the example of WBA (or Derby County, or Reading in terms of sanctions) that is clearly not the case. But so many fans just think about the possible prize this season and ignore the massive booby trap with high explosives sitting right in front of it. That might be inconvenient to you because it stops you getting what you want but don’t criticise the boards for weighing up the downsides as well as the upsides. We lose money all the time that’s why we’re lucky to have our owners and why we have to sell players. Your spending argument doesn’t stack up because we’re spending unnecessarily on Hendrick. I would like you to have the courtesy to not tell me what I think - I don’t do that to people and don’t base opinion of me on what Westy posts, he’d argue with me if I said it gets dark at night. Apologies if you think I was trying to tell you what to think. Am not one for keyboard warfare, especially with fellow fans. As my post just now I agree about the waste of money on Hendrix but for the reasons stated not convinced he was what stood in the way of getting that striker you wanted. Might be wrong and he might have cost us an absolute fortune but think it unlikely. |
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Post by spongeparr on Mar 25, 2022 10:35:24 GMT
You make it sound like it was a purely zero sum game with no possible downside to spending that money. As I pointed out with the example of WBA (or Derby County, or Reading in terms of sanctions) that is clearly not the case. But so many fans just think about the possible prize this season and ignore the massive booby trap with high explosives sitting right in front of it. That might be inconvenient to you because it stops you getting what you want but don’t criticise the boards for weighing up the downsides as well as the upsides. I agree with you on this. You can add Sheffield Wednesday, Bristol City to that. Villa were 1 game away from being screwed. Could the window have been better? Of course it could. Hendrick doesn't add anything to what we didn't have and that time could have been spent finding someone else. Likewise our pursuit of Lawrence and Patterson were going no where so we should have left them earlier than we did. |
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