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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 23, 2022 9:04:12 GMT
Plenty of discussion here on what we would do but what do we think the board will do? That's what counts as it's their money. Fan pressure counts for so much but ultimately they will act in what they see is in the club's best interests and not just for the club but their own financial investments.
As for how they reach such a decision, Hoos is a suit and a bean counter, he's not a football man and neither is anyone on the board. The only football person close to the board is the DoF so is the only one they can consult on footballing matters. Ferdinand in turn will turn to the likes of Chris Ramsay and Andy Belk.
The present owners are the custodians of our great club however, and with that comes some fiscal responsibility.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 23, 2022 9:14:19 GMT
Debate the in/outs of current situation. Explore the financial complexities of what’s happened. Take a good hard look at the man and growing hostile feelings inbound and come to the conclusion of giving him a contract for life.
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 10:02:19 GMT
Not unusual for owners to seek the mood and advice of the players when making decisions on the future of the manager.
Can’t say I have ever read any articles from any players praising him as a manager or coach.
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Post by Shania on Mar 23, 2022 10:24:24 GMT
For what it`s worth, Stefan J. was impressed by Warburton`s training methods in a meeting on teams with the Norwegian R`s a few weeks back.
Ps. It must be a problem that the Board doesn`t have at least one member with experience from the top-flight?
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 10:35:56 GMT
Can you give a description of what Johansen said Shania
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Post by Tarbie on Mar 23, 2022 11:02:25 GMT
For what it`s worth, Stefan J. was impressed by Warburton`s training methods in a meeting on teams with the Norwegian R`s a few weeks back. Ps. It must be a problem that the Board doesn`t have at least one member with experience from the top-flight? Perhaps Stefan should show up for a game or 2 and save Warburton his job then. Him and Austin have been shocking this season. Funny how players lose form when they get their 2 year bumper contracts. |
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Post by Shania on Mar 23, 2022 11:19:42 GMT
Stefan himself really praised his boss and he specifically said that Warburton was very well liked within the group. According to him, the spirit in the camp was good. He did also mention that it seemed like other teams were now better prepared ahead of matches against QPR, the system we played etc, but that the players and staff still had the play-off as their aim this season. He did also mention that it really wasn`t much time to prepare for matches now when they played two or three matches a week.
From the top of my head this is what he said.
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Post by Shania on Mar 23, 2022 11:23:05 GMT
For what it`s worth, Stefan J. was impressed by Warburton`s training methods in a meeting on teams with the Norwegian R`s a few weeks back. Ps. It must be a problem that the Board doesn`t have at least one member with experience from the top-flight? Perhaps Stefan should show up for a game or 2 and save Warburton his job then. Him and Austin have been shocking this season. Funny how players lose form when they get their 2 year bumper contracts. Stefan`s knee is a problem, I think. Not officially... |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 23, 2022 11:46:37 GMT
I don’t buy this no time to prepare rubbish - same for all teams. Other teams just know what to expect from us now.
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Post by Hitman34 on Mar 23, 2022 11:53:57 GMT
br]The only football person close to the board is the DoF, so if they need to make a decision he's the only one they can possibly turn to for consultation/advice. Was it not the media man who advised bungle to hire hollowhead as manager? |
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 23, 2022 12:01:14 GMT
Other teams just know what to expect from us now. Exactly what Stefan said in his interview, according to Shania. Was it not the media man who advised bungle to hire hollowhead as manager? I thought that was more urban myth? |
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Post by hal9thou on Mar 23, 2022 12:09:33 GMT
Other teams just know what to expect from us now. Exactly what Stefan said in his interview, according to Shania. Everyone has known for months, problem is there has been no workable plan B. That's down to the manager. Transitions still way too slow, still can't handle energy and pressing. Pathetic. |
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Post by 1qprdk on Mar 23, 2022 14:02:49 GMT
Other teams just know what to expect from us now. Exactly what Stefan said in his interview, according to Shania. Was it not the media man who advised bungle to hire hollowhead as manager? I thought that was more urban myth?No, true story. Here's a clip from TF's own book: Attachments:
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Post by West Acton on Mar 23, 2022 14:09:54 GMT
Fortunately I think this board have learned from the flip flop knee jerk way of operating of the past
Personally don’t think there is any chance of him going as they will recognise he’s not prefect but he is a good fit. I would say he gets next season to continue the progression. At the end of next season I think is the key time. Are we genuinely challenging (not necessarily going up but firm fixture in promotion chase)
The big question from me I think they need ask themselves is not do we change manager but are they willing challenge themselves as owners to say do we twist a tiny bit within reason and get few more players of top end quality to supplement what we have and do we reject any offers ( if we get any not convinced me will) for players we would prefer to retain. Willock aside I’m not sure any of our other big names are in demand And I’m not convinced anyone outside a side coming down from prem would want Willock.
Think we start next season with what we finish with,in the main, but are we willing to add the quality to the squad to bring us up to realistic challengers.
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Post by Corbray on Mar 23, 2022 14:44:42 GMT
Fortunately I think this board have learned from the flip flop knee jerk way of operating of the past Personally don’t think there is any chance of him going as they will recognise he’s not prefect but he is a good fit. I would say he gets next season to continue the progression. At the end of next season I think is the key time. Are we genuinely challenging (not necessarily going up but firm fixture in promotion chase) The big question from me I think they need ask themselves is not do we change manager but are they willing challenge themselves as owners to say do we twist a tiny bit within reason and get few more players of top end quality to supplement what we have and do we reject any offers ( if we get any not convinced me will) for players we would prefer to retain. Willock aside I’m not sure any of our other big names are in demand And I’m not convinced anyone outside a side coming down from prem would want Willock. Think we start next season with what we finish with,in the main, but are we willing to add the quality to the squad to bring us up to realistic challengers. it does make you wonder when they plan to give eustace a crack at the job too though. he's already turned down an interview with blackpool and did a u-turn on the swansea job. he's obviously a very highly rated coach and by all accounts did well at kidderminster plus has aspirations of being a manager himself one day. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 23, 2022 15:07:27 GMT
Fortunately I think this board have learned from the flip flop knee jerk way of operating of the past Personally don’t think there is any chance of him going as they will recognise he’s not prefect but he is a good fit. I would say he gets next season to continue the progression. At the end of next season I think is the key time. Are we genuinely challenging (not necessarily going up but firm fixture in promotion chase) The big question from me I think they need ask themselves is not do we change manager but are they willing challenge themselves as owners to say do we twist a tiny bit within reason and get few more players of top end quality to supplement what we have and do we reject any offers ( if we get any not convinced me will) for players we would prefer to retain. Willock aside I’m not sure any of our other big names are in demand And I’m not convinced anyone outside a side coming down from prem would want Willock. Think we start next season with what we finish with,in the main, but are we willing to add the quality to the squad to bring us up to realistic challengers. Him getting next season worries me but I have to agree with the points you make. The time for them to challenge themselves was January to push on. They did it last year to stop our slide towards the relegation fight, why not this year with a massive pay day possible. A couple of decent loans in, if we go up the money doesn’t matter. If we miss out they’ve at least rolled the dice and they go back. |
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Post by Bill on Mar 23, 2022 15:24:42 GMT
One word continuity.
MW will stay and we go again is what i am expecting.
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 23, 2022 15:45:13 GMT
Fortunately I think this board have learned from the flip flop knee jerk way of operating of the past As I said yesterday: Considering what was at stake this season, how long the board will tolerate this rapid decline is very difficult to predict, going by their track record. As generally they tend to stick by managers longer than what's in the club's best interests, and we/they only end up ruing not being more decisive sooner. So what I really think you're referring to is their predecessor owners. It's therefore arguable that it's a "fortunate" lesson, or even that they "have learned", as there is rather a middle ground which they haven't yet reached. If anything they went too far the other way that it's cost them. Agree with all your other points. |
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Post by West Acton on Mar 23, 2022 15:48:42 GMT
Suppose if they were defending themselves they would say they done everything everyone asked in summer signing all loan players.
Suppose nature of football is we’re always going want one more and one more after that but if you own a club part of your job is managing that expectation or risk with the manager
One area I think they need look at (board and coaching staff) is this decision that Warburton likes to work with a small squad. I get the logic and like it but it’s great whilst everyone stays fit and healthy but as soon as you pick up knocks you feel it.
Add to that the fact the squad although average age is still in late 20s it is above others and since Feb the fixtures do appear to be showing in the legs and performances then factor in with the small squad the fact two or three of them are injury prone the squad really does become light and stretched. If your going with tight squad Think you have remove the risk of injury prone players and ensure those you have are hyper fit and able to play from august through to May (example Austin or Wallace never going to achieve that)
Think that all needs be factored into any end of season lessons learned exercise
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 23, 2022 15:52:36 GMT
Exactly what Stefan said in his interview, according to Shania. I thought that was more urban myth?No, true story. Here's a clip from TF's own book: Yes of course. Thanks for the reminder. Unbelievable - and the gall to actually admit it too. No words 🤦♂️ |
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 16:10:08 GMT
Although Holloway lost it in his second spell I would still credit him/ and Penrice with an ability to spot a talented player.I sincerely hope MW can do similar.
Eze,BOS,Freeman,Smithies,Chair Furlong and Dieng.
Successful manager whatever way you may look at it by gaining promotion to the Prem twice and bringing us back from the dead.
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Post by West Acton on Mar 23, 2022 16:32:40 GMT
Why does Holloway get credit for Penrice scouting?
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 16:36:18 GMT
Why does Holloway get credit for Penrice scouting? Don’t manager get final say ? |
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 16:38:26 GMT
MW has already been given opportunity to sign top class players in Johansen,Austin,Gray and Hendricks.
How many chasing clubs in championship looking for play off spot have had so many ex Premiership players in their squad.
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Post by spongeparr on Mar 23, 2022 16:59:45 GMT
MW has already been given opportunity to sign top class players in Johansen,Austin,Gray and Hendricks. How many chasing clubs in championship looking for play off spot have had so many ex Premiership players in their squad. All of them bar Luton. |
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Post by West Acton on Mar 23, 2022 17:22:58 GMT
Why does Holloway get credit for Penrice scouting? Don’t manager get final say ? might as well give credit TFor other board members then as they sign cheques so final say is theirs |
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 17:37:32 GMT
That’s an odd answer.
Holloway picked which players played and earned the club transfer fees,don’t you think Holloway was responsible for bringing Eze from his ex club Millwall ?
Remind me what transfer profits has MW made for the club ?
Remind me how he fucked up the BOS transfer fee ?
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Post by West Acton on Mar 23, 2022 17:51:01 GMT
You in the holloway fan club I assume?
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 17:53:32 GMT
No I already said he lost it
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Post by sparks on Mar 23, 2022 18:02:47 GMT
Rumours that new FFP rules expected will be more stringent based on 70% of income allowed on expenditure
You have already stated you expect no players to leave for significant fees but you want the board to bail him out again.
It don’t make sense as if we don’t sell we’re going to break FFP rules.
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