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Post by 1973ranger on Jan 30, 2023 21:38:09 GMT
Why do they need to own a football club to get into property? Surely cheaper to just do the property game without the noose of a football club Round their neck which is/ has cost them more then you will make. I don’t buy that personally don’t make sense to me. This outfit tried to buy West Ham prior to the olympics and the re development over there so it is not so silly to think that they would do the same with us. What they did not bargain for was how badly then would run the footballing side of things. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Jan 30, 2023 22:33:53 GMT
Why do they need to own a football club to get into property? Surely cheaper to just do the property game without the noose of a football club Round their neck which is/ has cost them more then you will make. I don’t buy that personally don’t make sense to me. Because it’s too late for them and that’s the only thing of value they have connected to QPR. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 31, 2023 8:05:48 GMT
I think Stains has mentioned in another thread that Hoos might improve LR - I thought he said he wouldn’t spend on LR as there would be no return on investment - but assuming Stains had picked up on another comment wouldn’t it be a good idea to throw it out to fans for some suggestions? Out of the 15,000 or so there must be some architects, structural engs or just plain clever dicks amongst us. Hoos might just engage in a bit of window dressing of course. He disproved the old adage that it takes one to know one when he employed the Bealshitter😁
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Post by West Acton on Jan 31, 2023 8:07:08 GMT
I think Stains has mentioned in another thread that Hoos might improve LR - I thought he said he wouldn’t spend on LR as there would be no return on investment - but assuming Stains had picked up on another comment wouldn’t it be a good idea to throw it out to fans for some suggestions? Out of the 15,000 or so there must be some architects, structural engs or just plain clever dicks amongst us. Hoos might just engage in a bit of window dressing of course. He disproved the old adage that it takes one to know one when he employed the Bealshitter😁 I offered you my suggestions on way to reading 🤣😂 |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 31, 2023 8:15:18 GMT
Steady….people will talk
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 31, 2023 8:36:23 GMT
I think Stains has mentioned in another thread that Hoos might improve LR - I thought he said he wouldn’t spend on LR as there would be no return on investment - but assuming Stains had picked up on another comment wouldn’t it be a good idea to throw it out to fans for some suggestions? Out of the 15,000 or so there must be some architects, structural engs or just plain clever dicks amongst us. Hoos might just engage in a bit of window dressing of course. He disproved the old adage that it takes one to know one when he employed the Bealshitter😁 We have a whole thread on it Alan: rfantasyisland.boards.net/thread/2483/improvements-loftus-road |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 31, 2023 9:03:41 GMT
I think Stains has mentioned in another thread that Hoos might improve LR - I thought he said he wouldn’t spend on LR as there would be no return on investment - but assuming Stains had picked up on another comment wouldn’t it be a good idea to throw it out to fans for some suggestions? Out of the 15,000 or so there must be some architects, structural engs or just plain clever dicks amongst us. Hoos might just engage in a bit of window dressing of course. He disproved the old adage that it takes one to know one when he employed the Bealshitter😁 We have a whole thread on it Alan: rfantasyisland.boards.net/thread/2483/improvements-loftus-road I posted this back in December but not sure on new stadium thread. Let’s face it, we are nowhere near having a new stadium and there’s no chance of it being where the fans would want it anyway - so time to think outside the box about LR. For some perspective, the Bus Stop’s oddity cost £70m and Reading, capacity 25k, cost £50m 25 years ago! Granted we probably need to be back in the promise land, and at least be a yo-yo, but LR could be modernised and improved. It would only benefit the fans not the owners although additional capacity would bring in more money over a long period. The place is based on a structural steelwork frame. It wouldn’t take a genius architect and structural engineer to extend the upper tiers deeper if the groundworks are still sound. Additional mezzanine walkways would increase access and there are modern, lightweight roof constructions that would get rid of the pillars. Taller seats would increase legroom - that’s how you get more room in small cars - and all the toilets and bars could be extended with a bit of thought. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 31, 2023 9:37:39 GMT
I posted this back in December but not sure on new stadium thread. Let’s face it, we are nowhere near having a new stadium and there’s no chance of it being where the fans would want it anyway - so time to think outside the box about LR. For some perspective, the Bus Stop’s oddity cost £70m and Reading, capacity 25k, cost £50m 25 years ago! Granted we probably need to be back in the promise land, and at least be a yo-yo, but LR could be modernised and improved. It would only benefit the fans not the owners although additional capacity would bring in more money over a long period. The place is based on a structural steelwork frame. It wouldn’t take a genius architect and structural engineer to extend the upper tiers deeper if the groundworks are still sound. Additional mezzanine walkways would increase access and there are modern, lightweight roof constructions that would get rid of the pillars. Taller seats would increase legroom - that’s how you get more room in small cars - and all the toilets and bars could be extended with a bit of thought. Nice one. Have moved yours and Westy's posts over to it to keep it all in the same topic. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 31, 2023 12:08:45 GMT
Football is not short of middle men fixing these deals. Any buyer can look up the telephone number easy enough if they are so keen to buy us. Suspect problem is owners have now lost so much money but when you factor in all the liabilities and problems, what's the club actually worth? Can't see anyone paying the kind of money the owners will want for it. Then cut their losses and put it up for sale, would be the sensible thing. Unless of course there's any truth in the whole local real estate agenda. What other explanation would there be for them running the footballing side of the business so incompetently over the last dozen years? Think I explained in my original post why they aren't likely to sell |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jan 31, 2023 12:13:45 GMT
Then cut their losses and put it up for sale, would be the sensible thing. Unless of course there's any truth in the whole local real estate agenda. What other explanation would there be for them running the footballing side of the business so incompetently over the last dozen years? Think I explained in my original post why they aren't likely to sell No sale or price can be fixed on this boards mismanagement of the club. The way they are running things will mean in a short time it will be worth nothing at all. At the end of the day the ownership spunked the money away so are the ones who have to take the hit. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 31, 2023 12:24:37 GMT
In fairness although a lot of fans are fixated on the stadium, from a business perspective its very questionable if building a new one would be worth it. In the Premier League almost all the value is derived from TV, gate money now a fraction of income. Its how Bournemouth did well in the Prem for a number of years.
So a new stadium only makes sense if it can over time pay for itself - and given there are loads of major development companies after the same land in West London with a far simpler business model (stuff the space with as many expensive flats as possible) then building a big stadium and making money on it is far from easy. You probably aren't going to see a return on it in decades.
What I think we need to focus on far more is how we emulate the likes of Brentford and Brighton.
Is it too late to follow their data driven approach to recruitment as presumably everyone is at it? That was what gave them the success to contemplate building new stadiums.
Or how do we do it better? Or what is our big idea instead?
Re the board, they can't be both evil schemers looking for a land deal and totally stupid, surely?
If I had to choose I would say their running of the club has been more incompetent than cynical, though they have improved hugely in recent years and have been very unlucky IMHO (Beale being a traitor, some seemingly very promising players not progressing).
If they were just after selling Loftus Rd for money they probably would have done it a decade ago and become tenants somewhere else.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 31, 2023 12:27:10 GMT
Think I explained in my original post why they aren't likely to sell No sale or price can be fixed on this boards mismanagement of the club. The way they are running things will mean in a short time it will be worth nothing at all. At the end of the day the ownership spunked the money away so are the ones who have to take the hit. They have already taken a massive hit - but they aren't going to give away an asset which is still worth tens of millions of pounds for nothing. As I've already said, if anyone wants to buy it, they know the number, make Tony and co an offer. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 31, 2023 12:32:56 GMT
£1
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Post by 2Loftus on Jan 31, 2023 12:47:18 GMT
I think this kind of sums up how I feel about our situation, taken from another fan forum:
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Post by Hitman34 on Jan 31, 2023 15:20:19 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Jan 31, 2023 15:21:38 GMT
saw that earlier but how has that fella managed to turn that into possible sale? |
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Post by Hitman34 on Jan 31, 2023 15:44:48 GMT
God knows.
Like some of us, we are clutching at any straw.
I just want them gone.
It’s time to bring some hope and life back into the club
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Post by hal9thou on Jan 31, 2023 15:49:04 GMT
I think this kind of sums up how I feel about our situation, taken from another fan forum: Yet another post which makes the mistake of conflating success with vast expenditure. Less wealthy owners in similarly placed clubs turned mediocrity into success by using data analysis etc properly and totally updated their scouting system. Which means their targets didn't break the bank but were good enough to get them into the parachute regiment. I think swapping owners could very easily make a massive difference. As said elsewhere, it could go wrong, it could be worse, but doing nothing equates to loosing a lot of money every year. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 31, 2023 17:30:13 GMT
People saying they want the board gone. What that document actually shows is they are guaranteeing the club stays afloat till March. What happens after that? All those people wanting the board gone I just say #bewarewhatyouwishfor
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Post by Bill on Jan 31, 2023 17:34:08 GMT
People saying they want the board gone. What that document actually shows is they are guaranteeing the club stays afloat till March. What happens after that? All those people wanting the board gone I just say #bewarewhatyouwishfor Ground share ? |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jan 31, 2023 17:35:55 GMT
People saying they want the board gone. What that document actually shows is they are guaranteeing the club stays afloat till March. What happens after that? All those people wanting the board gone I just say #bewarewhatyouwishfor Ground share ? slough town said we not enough fans to make it worth their while |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jan 31, 2023 17:48:31 GMT
People saying they want the board gone. What that document actually shows is they are guaranteeing the club stays afloat till March. What happens after that? All those people wanting the board gone I just say #bewarewhatyouwishfor Good point. The question I have is where is the progress going to come from? As for them propping us up it is solely down to them that we are in the mess we are in. |
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Post by Corbray on Jan 31, 2023 18:08:56 GMT
People saying they want the board gone. What that document actually shows is they are guaranteeing the club stays afloat till March. What happens after that? All those people wanting the board gone I just say #bewarewhatyouwishfor 10 years ago maybe but when was the last time a club comparable to ours was fucked around by new owners? birmingham? barnsley maybe? there's money to be made from owning a football club. all the big clubs owners pay themselves very well from the clubs. i don't think new owners would be amiss as we're being run into the ground atm. i'm a big time happy clapper too but this is the most pesimistic i've ever felt about the club. |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jan 31, 2023 18:16:38 GMT
People saying they want the board gone. What that document actually shows is they are guaranteeing the club stays afloat till March. What happens after that? All those people wanting the board gone I just say #bewarewhatyouwishfor 10 years ago maybe but when was the last time a club comparable to ours was fucked around by new owners? birmingham? barnsley maybe? there's money to be made from owning a football club. all the big clubs owners pay themselves very well from the clubs. i don't think new owners would be amiss as we're being run into the ground atm. i'm a big time happy clapper too but this is the most pesimistic i've ever felt about the club. Corbs. Happy Clapper or not no Rangers fan can disagree with being run into the ground part.. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 31, 2023 19:35:01 GMT
People saying they want the board gone. What that document actually shows is they are guaranteeing the club stays afloat till March. What happens after that? All those people wanting the board gone I just say #bewarewhatyouwishfor Good point. The question I have is where is the progress going to come from? As for them propping us up it is solely down to them that we are in the mess we are in. I'm not asking you to have sympathy for them, or even to have much faith in their their ability to improve our current position, just to acknowledge that things could be a whole lot worse in the absence of a spare billionaire driving down South Africa Rd with an open cheque book. |
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Post by The General on Jan 31, 2023 19:43:24 GMT
They are are just confirming that they will
Support the club till the end if the finacial year
Like a tax return
I font think we should just be grateful just to
Exist what is that all about then
From a great historical club
To happy to exist
Im sorry thats crap
Invest or Sell Up
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Post by The General on Jan 31, 2023 20:15:43 GMT
Its not even like we are looking for huge
Investment just to show some intent
There is no intent atm
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 31, 2023 20:16:57 GMT
I don't think anyone any better would take us on. What is needed is a restructure from the top down. The combination of Hoos, Les and Ramsey doesn't work. It's also serious overkill for a club of our size. We need to bring in a team with some more modern ways of doing things who do not require the hefty salaries that these 3 currently command. Tarbs. Nothing wrong with having a DOF if he's actually any good at his job. Our one has been worse than shit for the last eight years. That's the problem mate: Can they finally start to get their heads around this? Everyone else has been doing it for years, literally: A DOF makes sense if we could employ a proper one like Rasmus Ankersen, or someone with similar credentials. Otherwise it's just a waste of money. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 31, 2023 23:15:30 GMT
How the fuck can we operate like this If Jamal Lowe gets injured
We will no proven striker to play Crazy embarressing situation How is this possible ? And he's not even a number 9 Could not make this up! Stan help me with this as really cannot see any logic in what is going on right now , I just put it down to sheer incompetence. No more no less. Tonight I watched the Moneyball video that Hal posted yesterday. Have you seen it? It's amazing that Brentford have been using this tried and tested approach for the last 10 years with such incredible success, and we have simply ignored it. Why has that not been the club's blueprint would be my first question? |
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Post by jfrabbit on Jan 31, 2023 23:26:38 GMT
I don’t give a shit about be careful what you wish for. I want this lot to sell up.
They blew £250,000,000 and we became WORSE! Just think about that. A quarter of a billion fucking pounds and we can’t buy a £50k striker to help us out. Fucking disgraceful ownership.
Damn right they are propping us up. It’s their fucking doing!
In the wise words of Graham Taylor…
‘You got us in this shit now you fucking get us out of it’
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