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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 28, 2023 16:03:35 GMT
And yet he sanctioned the Hendricks signing instead; and then kept playing him despite how crap he was for all to see? Very fair point. Gawd, hendrick was shit. Vey true, but there may have been some kind of playing time condition as part of the loan deal... |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 28, 2023 16:27:27 GMT
My point was that even if we hadn't signed Hendricks - who I agree was shit and shouldn't have been selected - it wouldn't have provided a single penny towards signing the actual striker that we needed.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Apr 28, 2023 16:43:11 GMT
Maybe warbs did not like dof dumb fucks choice of striker so he told dof that it was not a priority And yet he sanctioned the Hendricks signing instead; and then kept playing him despite how crap he was for all to see? We had not much choice as we had plenty of injuries when he was played. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 28, 2023 17:40:26 GMT
My point was that even if we hadn't signed Hendricks - who I agree was shit and shouldn't have been selected - it wouldn't have provided a single penny towards signing the actual striker that we needed. Agree with that but the point at the time was that we were looking a good bet for a really successful second half of the season but lacked the firepower to realise it. Bringing in a striker - we’re not talking huge millions, others manage it - wouldn’t have mattered financially if the gamble paid off. If it didn’t, sell. Who knows if we had taken that risk? But look at us now. |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 28, 2023 17:43:43 GMT
I’m glad we got rid of Him As things are so so so much better #gooddecision 😁
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 28, 2023 18:08:17 GMT
My point was that even if we hadn't signed Hendricks - who I agree was shit and shouldn't have been selected - it wouldn't have provided a single penny towards signing the actual striker that we needed. Agree with that but the point at the time was that we were looking a good bet for a really successful second half of the season but lacked the firepower to realise it. Bringing in a striker - we’re not talking huge millions, others manage it - wouldn’t have mattered financially if the gamble paid off. If it didn’t, sell. Who knows if we had taken that risk? But look at us now. But selling would have been in the next financial year so would have screwed us for FFP. |
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 28, 2023 18:19:19 GMT
My point was that even if we hadn't signed Hendricks - who I agree was shit and shouldn't have been selected - it wouldn't have provided a single penny towards signing the actual striker that we needed. OK. My take: QPR's staff expenditure is through the roof by comparison with the majority of clubs in the division. Staff with a spectacular record of failure - Les, Belk, etc - are retained. Money could have been better utilised. Unless you manage to join the parachute regiment - or have wealthy owners below championship level - you're fucked in the EFL. Rick Parry himself has said that championship clubs are unsustainable outside of the parachute system. Interestingly, the EFL's own regulations are about to be overhauled The EFL are urging the Prem to abandon para payments, but my personal opinion is that FFP itself needs to be taken apart. All its done throughout Europe is massively sustain the status quo, and created a new one in the second tier over here ie 'chute clubs vs the rest. The chute system and FFP are simply incompatible. It's interesting that the FFP model has not been extended to the lower tiers. I think what you have consistently implied is that us having by some distance the wealthiest owners in the division is irrelevant, because they are hamstrung by FFP. Even allowing for that, you have to question some of the recruitment decisions that have been made and the board's motivation. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Apr 28, 2023 18:37:24 GMT
IF we actually do manage to stay up this season how the hell are we going to sort out this mess at the club There is so many things wrong at the club at the moment Everyones always injured Everyones got depression Players not good enough Manager not good enough Footballs awful There is so much to sort out at the club its a massive task and it takes us months to do anything Huge Job it must be a horror of a club to be at, let alone support. The place is full of gloom and nothing to look forward to each season. we are told to be greatful that the owners are putting the bare minimum in to cover the debts and losses that they themselves have caused. nothing will change with the same heads in place. All it is good for now is to attach the "brand" to local fundraising ventures, along with promoting rainbow laces, trans rights and fucking Ukraine day. while continuing to use the club to promote everything that is trendy, virtue signaling about everything that is in the moment, and all round whoring the club about to any do gooding cause, one eye is not firmly on football but, it is on land, construction and other ventures that the local council have awarded and more in the future to the owners. At least we should be grateful that we have Dave, the haka man from chelmsford. Cheers dave and keep up the good work in the changing room |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 28, 2023 18:50:02 GMT
My point was that even if we hadn't signed Hendricks - who I agree was shit and shouldn't have been selected - it wouldn't have provided a single penny towards signing the actual striker that we needed. OK. My take: QPR's staff expenditure is through the roof by comparison with the majority of clubs in the division. Staff with a spectacular record of failure - Les, Belk, etc - are retained. Money could have been better utilised. Unless you manage to join the parachute regiment - or have wealthy owners below championship level - you're fucked in the EFL. Rick Parry himself has said that championship clubs are unsustainable outside of the parachute system. Interestingly, the EFL's own regulations are about to be overhauled The EFL are urging the Prem to abandon para payments, but my personal opinion is that FFP itself needs to be taken apart. All its done throughout Europe is massively sustain the status quo, and created a new one in the second tier over here ie 'chute clubs vs the rest. The chute system and FFP are simply incompatible. It's interesting that the FFP model has not been extended to the lower tiers. I think what you have consistently implied is that us having by some distance the wealthiest owners in the division is irrelevant, because they are hamstrung by FFP. Even allowing for that, you have to question some of the recruitment decisions that have been made and the board's motivation. Agree with much of that and interesting about the possible overhaul, I wasn't aware, wonder what impact it would have. I would be very pleasantly surprised if the Premier League agreed to end parachute payments because a club relegated from the Prem is still stuck with a squad of players on 100k a week, and even if they sell their big stars they still have huge financial obligations. You might say "their problem" but (sadly) without spending big how can they possibly hope to compete in the Prem? I do very much question the recruitment decisions. I have been saying for ages we should be deciding on data, not because the manager knows the player (or agent?). I was simply referring to that particular window. Agree tho that generally the same money could have been much better spent. |
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 28, 2023 19:16:32 GMT
My point was that even if we hadn't signed Hendricks - who I agree was shit and shouldn't have been selected - it wouldn't have provided a single penny towards signing the actual striker that we needed. OK. My take: QPR's staff expenditure is through the roof by comparison with the majority of clubs in the division. Staff with a spectacular record of failure - Les, Belk, etc - are retained. Money could have been better utilised. Unless you manage to join the parachute regiment - or have wealthy owners below championship level - you're fucked in the EFL. Rick Parry himself has said that championship clubs are unsustainable outside of the parachute system. Interestingly, the EFL's own regulations are about to be overhauled The EFL are urging the Prem to abandon para payments, but my personal opinion is that FFP itself needs to be taken apart. All its done throughout Europe is massively sustain the status quo, and created a new one in the second tier over here ie 'chute clubs vs the rest. The chute system and FFP are simply incompatible. It's interesting that the FFP model has not been extended to the lower tiers. And maybe that’s precisely what it was designed to do…? |
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Post by 1qprdk on Apr 29, 2023 0:06:19 GMT
Switched it off after hearing him talk about players ability, don’t trust him and he looks too scruffy to be a CEO. I thought his remit was based on financial, while dof dumb fuck is supposed to be about football matters. Why is the financial guy talking about players ability? And when the questions are about finances, eg. value of shares etc., he knows fuck all. He's just regurgitating same bs year in year out. |
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Post by spongeparr on May 5, 2023 10:02:30 GMT
Did anyone else pick up on discussions about what can be done at LR? He previously shot this down before the question even finished but this time he has said that they are working with the council about what could be done here.
Strange 180 change of stance if nothing has changed
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Post by alanwycombe on May 5, 2023 11:20:31 GMT
He says what he thinks we want to hear. He’s a bullshitter. I wouldn’t trust a word he says. All window dressing. Keeping the natives happy.
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Post by coneysboots on May 5, 2023 11:25:52 GMT
Surely anything that could have been done to Loftus Road, would have been done by now. Unless we get permission to knock down the houses in Ellerelie Road, Loftus Road, and the schoool, nothing doing.
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Post by Stanley75 on May 5, 2023 12:33:27 GMT
Did anyone else pick up on discussions about what can be done at LR? He previously shot this down before the question even finished but this time he has said that they are working with the council about what could be done here. Strange 180 change of stance if nothing has changed I raised this with him at the last supporters meeting. I mentioned suggestions fans have made about the school end. He totally dodged the topic at the meeting...but seemed to have listened as maybe this has something to do with it... |
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Post by alanwycombe on May 5, 2023 13:05:31 GMT
One thing Hoos has said that makes sense is that there is no return on investment at LR. Unfortunately. The owners would have to be shelling out purely for the love of the club - and us lot - and I can’t see that happening. If the capacity is raised to 25/26k would we fill it and would they get their money back? Would we pay a premium ticket rate? No. Permission for events is very unlikely to be granted as there are restrictions these days around access, parking, noise, crowds, you name it. We’d never comply in our location.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 5, 2023 13:18:55 GMT
We could turn it in to a refugee hotel, make a fortune
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Post by alanwycombe on May 5, 2023 15:23:54 GMT
We could turn it in to a refugee hotel, make a fortune They’d complain about the conditions |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 15, 2023 12:32:16 GMT
I’m positive that I hate Sky and I'm positive that I feel negative about QPR. Last season has simply confirmed what we all knew. It's to do with decision making - inc. non decision making - at the highest level. That is why we're looking at mediocrity, at best. It's a shame: we've got a great fanbase out there, potentially a bear pit of a stadium and we're central London. Sad state of affairs. Hal, people will argue with you that we are hamstrung because "we have no money". My question in response to that is did Millwall, Luton and Coventry have larger budgets than us this and last season? And did Brighton, Brentford, Palace etc have larger budgets in previous years? |
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Post by Greg1882 on May 15, 2023 13:10:56 GMT
and I'm positive that I feel negative about QPR. Last season has simply confirmed what we all knew. It's to do with decision making - inc. non decision making - at the highest level. That is why we're looking at mediocrity, at best. It's a shame: we've got a great fanbase out there, potentially a bear pit of a stadium and we're central London. Sad state of affairs. Hal, people will argue with you that we are hamstrung because "we have no money". My question in response to that is did Millwall, Luton and Coventry have larger budgets than us this and last season? And did Brighton, Brentford, Palace etc have larger budgets in previous years? Nope they are just properly run, have a proper professional scouting network, don’t spunk millions up the wall on the likes of Washington and bonne, stick to budget and don’t waste money on ridiculous levels of staff and or have academies that return absolutely fuck all |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 16, 2023 21:58:50 GMT
Luton going to Wembley. A team and manager absolutely streets ahead of ours and no doubt on 50% of our budget.
Fucking shameful how this club has been run for the last how many years. Again, I keep hearing people say "we have no money". So Luton must have 50% of zero by that metric. And, as you say, look where they are. It's becoming increasingly difficult to keep buying this excuse for our situation. So we obviously have SOME money but are just CRAP at spending it. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 17, 2023 6:36:05 GMT
Most clubs not lumping out every season ffp fine, that’s owners get out of jail card they use
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Post by jfrabbit on May 17, 2023 7:02:10 GMT
Luton going to Wembley. A team and manager absolutely streets ahead of ours and no doubt on 50% of our budget.
Fucking shameful how this club has been run for the last how many years. Again, I keep hearing people say "we have no money". So Luton must have 50% of zero by that metric. And, as you say, look where they are. It's becoming increasingly difficult to keep buying this excuse for our situation. So we obviously have SOME money but are just CRAP at spending it. Stan I asked the question a few weeks back but should probably look myself. How many players have we bought for decent money, got fuck all out of and given away for free? It's a travesty. Luton have about 5 strikers ffs! How can the owners see this and just carry on as if all is ticketyboo?! Lets not even start on the cost of the managerial mess we've had over the last few years. |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 18, 2023 7:55:02 GMT
What are the owners' incentives to keep pumping £12million into a failing club year after year, whilst watching their competitors with similar budgets continually leap-frog them?
And what are their incentives to keep employing an unaccountable and failing DoF after eight long years?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 18, 2023 8:06:44 GMT
What are the owners' incentives to keep pumping £12million into a failing club year after year, whilst watching their competitors with similar budgets continually leap-frog them? And what are their incentives to employ an unaccountable and failing DoF after eight long years? Got to be tax or other way they do it for |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 18, 2023 8:16:01 GMT
What are the owners' incentives to keep pumping £12million into a failing club year after year, whilst watching their competitors with similar budgets continually leap-frog them? And what are their incentives to employ an unaccountable and failing DoF after eight long years? Got to be tax or other way they do it for You're not the first on here to reach that conclusion. It makes no fiscal/business sense otherwise. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 18, 2023 8:24:54 GMT
Their accountants will know how to off set a huge chunk of that dosh, loans shares tax laundering etc
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Post by sparks on May 18, 2023 8:41:00 GMT
When researching the roles of a CEO or a Chairman at a football club it appears that the CEO holds the prime responsibility and authority to drive the club forward by making the correct decisions.
We have a DOF that has no say in manager or transfer selection and recently the Chairman in Batiha being quoted as being responsible for selecting Ainsworth.
That alone sums up why Hoos and Ferdinand need to be moved on.
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Post by Stanley75 on May 18, 2023 10:26:14 GMT
The Coventry Luton game really does highlight how badly run we are. We’re not making unrealistic comparisons. They’ve had their share of adversity - shit/no ground, small gates, points deductions etc. - yet have risen above by being organised and professional, which we are far from being. If this doesn’t strike a chord with our owners we really are in trouble. Hoos, Les, his mates and a questionable medical/fitness team and we’ll just press ‘repeat’. We don’t work and the owners have had long enough to see that. At what point does the penny drop that they've been employing incompetent people to run their football club? Exactly when does that lightbulb epiphanic moment strike them? Unless, like others here have said, the downfall has been their cunning business plan all along and the club instead is being used as some kind of giant tax write off. |
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Post by Corbray on May 18, 2023 10:47:07 GMT
The Coventry Luton game really does highlight how badly run we are. We’re not making unrealistic comparisons. They’ve had their share of adversity - shit/no ground, small gates, points deductions etc. - yet have risen above by being organised and professional, which we are far from being. If this doesn’t strike a chord with our owners we really are in trouble. Hoos, Les, his mates and a questionable medical/fitness team and we’ll just press ‘repeat’. We don’t work and the owners have had long enough to see that. At what point does the penny drop that they've been employing incompetent people to run their football club? Exactly when does that lightbulb epiphanic moment strike them? Unless, like others here have said, the downfall has been their cunning business plan all along and the club instead is being used as some kind of giant tax write off. tbh i just don't know why they would do that as the potential returns on a premier league club surely outweighs being no more than a tax write off, plus they have reinvested money like the eze deal. to add to that they're also the ones paying for our FFP deal. look at brentford, a few years ago they were in our shoes. they've turned over millions in profit for their owner and could no doubt now be sold for upwards of 150m+. i think that the owners have been placated by les and co into believing that he is the best man for the job. i have no doubt that les truely believes that and that he cares about the club but i reckon he's constantly pointing to our overheads and running costs as justification for why we're in the situation we're in when in reality the owners should be pointing to him and asking "why are other clubs on our budget able to achieve far greater success?" |
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