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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 14, 2023 10:34:47 GMT
I hear you Jimmy. But IMO: Whether Ramsey's hands have been tied or not, the bottom line here is the appointment hasn't worked. Neither has Belk's. And that's two salaries being taken up. T hree salaries including Ferdinand. Five salaries including Hall and Impey. (Jury seems out on Furlong...) Again, and apologies for sounding like a broken record here, but how is it other similar budget and size clubs have been able to completely overtake us over the last 8+ years, if the above appointments were working out well?Just my personal opinion on things. Point 1) It hasn't worked but my previous points stand. You could have THE best academy manager in the world in charge but if that person can't get the quality of player through the doors then it isn't going to work. We are not an atractive proposition. Point 2) How the man is still here is a joke. The owners deserve all the shit they get by continuing to employ Ferdinand. His business conducted has been nothing short of disgraceful. The amount of money pissed away from transfer fees, wages and terminating contracts must be eye watering. Point 3) This I totally agree on and can only say it's from the top down. When you have idiots running a football club who have no knowledge of the game, no influence over the decision making and no bollox to fire the failures they are paying this is what happens. Hoos & Ferdinand are laughing because they effectively run the club without scrutiny or threat of the sack as the owners clearly don't have any answers. I guarantee if they'd taken us down they would still be in a job for the reasons I just said. Fuck the owners. The useless cunts are not only throwing their money away but they are forcing us to watch absolute dog shit week after week by not making the decisions good owners should be making. We all know they're only here for the real estate side of things. It's crystal clear. Agree with most of this. All I disagree on is saying the owners are here for the real estate. There are much easier ways to make money out of property than lose £2m a month. If real estate was their aim they have got literally nowhere in over a decade. Accepting they have proved clueless at football, presumably they can't be completely stupid at business - that claim just doesn't pass my bullshit test.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 14, 2023 11:49:32 GMT
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Post by jfrabbit on Jun 14, 2023 12:30:15 GMT
Stains exactly what Stan said. They’re very active in that field already.
I see what you’re saying but it’s no secret White City is going to be the next massive gentrification site. Westfields, BBC now hosting rooftop bars, restaurants & spas. White City Village to come, numerous amount of plush residential tower blocks popping up monthly. They are sitting on an absolute fortune at Loftus Rd.
Why would they as you say lose £2m a month or whatever the figure is? It’s not for the love of QPR I know that. Don’t think Fernandes has been at a game for how many years? Mittal once a season, the chubby Thai fella a handful of times and even Amit is conspicuous in his absence.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 14, 2023 23:00:39 GMT
Rabbit and Stan you might be right and I might be the naive one - I just don’t see why they would need QPR to develop an entirely unrelated brownfield site? It’s not like developing a brownfield site is contentious in planning terms. Nor does being a football club seem to carry much weight judging by the knock backs we have received re the new stadium. Where I do agree is I don’t get what they get out of owning a football club anymore, and their lack of engagement is like a cancer at our club. I have tried to defend them over the years but am all out of Ideas now - no idea what the game plan is, if even there is one
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 15, 2023 5:51:09 GMT
Owning QPR is clearly not a means to curry favour. We appear to have had two serious chances of a new stadium site - Car Giant and Linford Christie - and managed to piss off both negotiating parties. I’m not convinced this wasn’t by design tbh. I’d love to know the game they’re playing.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 15, 2023 9:31:25 GMT
Owning QPR is clearly not a means to curry favour. We appear to have had two serious chances of a new stadium site - Car Giant and Linford Christie - and managed to piss off both negotiating parties. I’m not convinced this wasn’t by design tbh. I’d love to know the game they’re playing. My suspicion is pure incompetence. Announcing plans to develop the Car Giant site before you have bought it - or even come close to agreeing a price - is just beyond nuts.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 15, 2023 10:14:37 GMT
QPR are not an attractive proposition for young players at all. You've mentioned this a couple of time Jimmy and I agree with you. But let's explore the reasons for this a bit deeper otherwise I think the debate risks going round in circles. To what extent is this a classic Catch-22 situation? Are we not an attractive proposition because our coaches and recruiters don't command enough respect within the game? How much will Heston improve that situation? And once it's completed how much advantage will other London / South-East clubs still have over us with regard to being an 'attractive proposition' to young talent (aside from the London EPL clubs)? Our academy is Category 2 but it's highly debatable if being Category 1 would improve matters. E.g. Brentford actually downgraded their academy status with successful results. What use is a London based state-of-the-art multi-million new training complex if the employees are not of the necessary standard to match all that technology and infrastructure? What am I missing here, other than the obvious lack of vision, knowledge and direction from our owners? Or is that really the sole problem?
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Post by 2Loftus on Jun 15, 2023 10:25:59 GMT
While we may b a little less of an attractive proposition, with local youngsters looking at Chelsea, Fulham, Brentford first, those academies are going to be be very much harder to get into.
I would say pretty much ANY aspiring young footballer would still love to get into QPR's youth set up - and even more so with the new training centre.
Kids change so much 16-21 and the thing they are going to want more than anything is to develop. Our new set up, and the fact that they'd be training alongside the first team squad, has got to be a big draw.
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Post by Bill on Jun 15, 2023 11:09:43 GMT
We are not an attractive propisition anymore on all fronts due to the incompotence of the board and our slide down the football in terms of finance,product quality,communication,lack of ambition,recruitment,moving with the times and overall lethargy imo as i have said many times. Amit "We will come back stronger" have not seen or heard anything to suggest this. I hope we do but recent history suggests we will just continue to drift towards further obscurity. The alarm bells were deafening last season and quite frankly the boards bullshit is becoming boring.
Until these problems are addressed i will not be going to be mugged off anymore.
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Post by Corbray on Jun 15, 2023 11:26:54 GMT
idk, i feel like having heston will really help us in attracting young players. as a parent would you rather your kid be a big fish in a small pond or to be lost in the shuffle?
it takes time to build up a reputable academy and imo we were onto a good thing a few years ago but it seems to have dried up. crewe have been masters of the academy system for years and are always churning out players, in many respects you could liken their regional position to ours but the only difference is that they have the reputation to attract budding prospects.
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 15, 2023 12:39:25 GMT
I think you all have a point.
Would QPR being interested in you/your son/daughter make your eyes light up? Absolutely. Kids would jump at the chance to get signed up to QPR. No doubt.
But would they pick us over a Premier League outfit? Doubt it. But that's natural and to be expected.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jun 15, 2023 13:01:41 GMT
I think you all have a point. Would QPR being interested in you/your son/daughter make your eyes light up? Absolutely. Kids would jump at the chance to get signed up to QPR. No doubt. But would they pick us over a Premier League outfit? Doubt it. But that's natural and to be expected. We (any Championship club) are always going to lose out to Prem clubs for the very best young players. But then, who's to know, in their teens, just who are the 'very best'? They'll develop at different rates - good players can lose their way, slower developers can really push on. It's a lottery - but at least we are giving ourselves the best chance we can to attract youngsters.
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 15, 2023 13:37:03 GMT
I remember Antonio from West Ham saying that he was good. But when he went professional and was training all the time, that's when he really kicked on.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 15, 2023 14:37:06 GMT
These recent posts are precisely why I was critical of Head of Operations saying we could rent out Heston before he thought of the far more important aspect of being more attractive to parents than a prem outfit. Not saying it isn’t a good idea, not saying we can’t do both, just that we seem such a random organisation that lacks leadership and a common purpose. Comes from the top. It’s all sound bites and lip service.
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Post by Hitman34 on Jun 15, 2023 15:24:08 GMT
And there was me, thinking that this man was scouring every skip in England, looking for players.
At least we know where the season ticket money is going.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 15, 2023 15:30:16 GMT
Shocking tailoring. Cheap suit from Matalan. No doubt he’ll be mug enough to buy it given his record.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jun 15, 2023 15:34:52 GMT
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!?
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 15, 2023 16:05:42 GMT
I think you all have a point. Would QPR being interested in you/your son/daughter make your eyes light up? Absolutely. Kids would jump at the chance to get signed up to QPR. No doubt. But would they pick us over a Premier League outfit? Doubt it. But that's natural and to be expected. We (any Championship club) are always going to lose out to Prem clubs for the very best young players. But then, who's to know, in their teens, just who are the 'very best'? They'll develop at different rates - good players can lose their way, slower developers can really push on. It's a lottery - but at least we are giving ourselves the best chance we can to attract youngsters. Some top strikers have come to the game late from non-league. Ian Wright and Jamie Vardy to name just two. (You just have to get out and look for them Les)
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 15, 2023 16:11:59 GMT
While we may b a little less of an attractive proposition, with local youngsters looking at Chelsea, Fulham, Brentford first, those academies are going to be be very much harder to get into. I would say pretty much ANY aspiring young footballer would still love to get into QPR's youth set up - and even more so with the new training centre. Kids change so much 16-21 and the thing they are going to want more than anything is to develop. Our new set up, and the fact that they'd be training alongside the first team squad, has got to be a big draw. I think training alongside the first team and occasionally bringing some youngsters in to actually train with the grown ups was Moley’s idea. I hope we stick with it, that’s a terrific way forward for any aspiring young player.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jun 15, 2023 16:23:50 GMT
And there was me, thinking that this man was scouring every skip in England, looking for players. At least we know where the season ticket money is going. What an awful colour. And cloth. Clown suit.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jun 15, 2023 16:24:45 GMT
Fucking rag is pulling across the chest where it buttons 😂
Sold shit like that by a salesman like him, isn't surprising.
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Post by jfrabbit on Jun 15, 2023 17:17:39 GMT
News pending......
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Post by Rangers77 on Jun 15, 2023 17:26:46 GMT
So it seems. And Warbs back? 🙏🏻🙏🏻
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Post by jfrabbit on Jun 15, 2023 17:28:24 GMT
Heard Les getting turfed.
Warbs rumour ties in doesn't it.
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Post by West Acton on Jun 15, 2023 17:32:08 GMT
seen few people on Twitter saying news due out.
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Post by West Acton on Jun 15, 2023 17:33:00 GMT
Heard Les getting turfed. Warbs rumour ties in doesn't it. this one? Woukd be shocked if he came back DOF but chuffed.
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Post by sparks on Jun 15, 2023 17:43:36 GMT
Really don’t see Warburton back with us, he’s got bigger fish to fry.
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Post by jfrabbit on Jun 15, 2023 17:45:51 GMT
Heard Les getting turfed. Warbs rumour ties in doesn't it. this one? Woukd be shocked if he came back DOF but chuffed. Ooooohhhh
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Post by sparks on Jun 15, 2023 18:16:15 GMT
Ferdinand needs to go but better news would be a hands on chairman
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 15, 2023 21:53:43 GMT
Really don’t see Warburton back with us, he’s got bigger fish to fry. Has he though? If he wants to be a DOF?
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