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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 9:21:21 GMT
Fascinating thread. Was idly musing today about how better off we might have been if Derby had beaten us at Wembley....... But even knowing how shit it's been since, who would forfeit that amazing Zamora moment? Hubs makes some sense, however. I'd have stopped being a Man City fan the minute they started buying success. Give me Dennis Tueart or Colin Bell any day over whichever globalists they have playing in their position today. I would have rather not had that Zamora moment. Where we should look back at the rich boys and that period with complete disdain and embarrassment we have a moment which is celebrated every year as if it was a huge achievement. It was a moment where a significantly financially doped team scraped by the play offs, no more, no less. Which leads me on to buying success. Fulham fans accused us of being green eyed when al Fayed bankrolled their success and many people made statements about walking away if it happened to us as it wasn't the QPR way... where was all that altruism when we bought the Championship in 2010/11 and when we cheated our way through the next 4 seasons?
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Post by Corbray on Jan 9, 2024 9:41:55 GMT
Fascinating thread. Was idly musing today about how better off we might have been if Derby had beaten us at Wembley....... But even knowing how shit it's been since, who would forfeit that amazing Zamora moment? Hubs makes some sense, however. I'd have stopped being a Man City fan the minute they started buying success. Give me Dennis Tueart or Colin Bell any day over whichever globalists they have playing in their position today. I would have rather not had that Zamora moment. Where we should look back at the rich boys and that period with complete disdain and embarrassment we have a moment which is celebrated every year as if it was a huge achievement. It was a moment where a significantly financially doped team scraped by the play offs, no more, no less. Which leads me on to buying success. Fulham fans accused us of being green eyed when al Fayed bankrolled their success and many people made statements about walking away if it happened to us as it wasn't the QPR way... where was all that altruism when we bought the Championship in 2010/11 and when we cheated our way through the next 4 seasons? i agree with most of what you say but did we really 'buy' the championship title? we had a team largely made up of cheap championship journeymen and experienced players. kenny, hill, connolly, gorkss, derry, mackie and helguson all came pretty cheap over the years and even adel only cost us a million from spurs. the only irreguality was faurlin as his signing was a bit of a dodgey one as payments were made to various third parties but even then he was only 3.5m or so. from what i remember of the 09/10 and 10/11 seasons bernie and flavio had largely given up with their 4 year plan dream and had turned over the reigns to amit as they wanted out. amit was frugal and made a smart appointment in warnock and good signings but without adel we were probably no more than a top half championship side. lots of clubs have outright 'bought' the title. fulham and wolves spring to mind as mediocre teams who were bankrolled to success and who signed players who'd normally be well out of their reach. even the adel signing was one within reason for us given his then small reputation on the pitch. now the years preceeding our title win we certainly did try and buy the title numerous times by signing up big championship names and erratic appointments. for me though that 10/11 season will always be a what if. if the mittals were able to buy up the club at the end of the season like they wanted then i think we'd have been in a much better position that we are now. warnock would have probably never been sacked, we'd never have had that ageurooooo moment and we'd probably have been relegated but financially we'd have been a lot better off. i think the only real time we tried to buy the title was under redknapp tbh.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jan 9, 2024 9:44:34 GMT
Without Eccelestone and Fernandes we would probably now have played 20 years in League One so Zamora moment is invaluable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 10:16:17 GMT
I would have rather not had that Zamora moment. Where we should look back at the rich boys and that period with complete disdain and embarrassment we have a moment which is celebrated every year as if it was a huge achievement. It was a moment where a significantly financially doped team scraped by the play offs, no more, no less. Which leads me on to buying success. Fulham fans accused us of being green eyed when al Fayed bankrolled their success and many people made statements about walking away if it happened to us as it wasn't the QPR way... where was all that altruism when we bought the Championship in 2010/11 and when we cheated our way through the next 4 seasons? i agree with most of what you say but did we really 'buy' the championship title? we had a team largely made up of cheap championship journeymen and experienced players. kenny, hill, connolly, gorkss, derry, mackie and helguson all came pretty cheap over the years and even adel only cost us a million from spurs. the only irreguality was faurlin as his signing was a bit of a dodgey one as payments were made to various third parties but even then he was only 3.5m or so. from what i remember of the 09/10 and 10/11 seasons bernie and flavio had largely given up with their 4 year plan dream and had turned over the reigns to amit as they wanted out. amit was frugal and made a smart appointment in warnock and good signings but without adel we were probably no more than a top half championship side. lots of clubs have outright 'bought' the title. fulham and wolves spring to mind as mediocre teams who were bankrolled to success and who signed players who'd normally be well out of their reach. even the adel signing was one within reason for us given his then small reputation on the pitch. now the years preceeding our title win we certainly did try and buy the title numerous times by signing up big championship names and erratic appointments. for me though that 10/11 season will always be a what if. if the mittals were able to buy up the club at the end of the season like they wanted then i think we'd have been in a much better position that we are now. warnock would have probably never been sacked, we'd never have had that ageurooooo moment and we'd probably have been relegated but financially we'd have been a lot better off. i think the only real time we tried to buy the title was under redknapp tbh. Sadly that's the myth about 2010/11. The reality is very different and we bought 'success'. www.thescratchingshed.com/2012/04/championship-clubs-financial-results-2010-11/Each to their own - and all that - and if some were comfortable with that approach then that's up to them but I must admit I find it frustrating that we can't put our hands up and admit it was a hollow 'success' and not one achieved the QPR way.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 9, 2024 10:46:59 GMT
OldR, your own source says: "It’s clear that simply throwing money at the team does not create success. While QPR’s whopping £30m budget allowed Neil Warnock’s team to run away with the league, it took good management to harness these resources"So not really.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 10:53:00 GMT
OldR, your own source says: "It’s clear that simply throwing money at the team does not create success. While QPR’s whopping £30m budget allowed Neil Warnock’s team to run away with the league, it took good management to harness these resources"So not really. The source admits in the same paragraph that the budget allowed us to walk away with the league... We can sugar-coat this as much as we want and although Warnock still had to galvanise the team he was given more money than any QPR manager to date and effectively a blank cheque book. We bought success and cheated.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 9, 2024 10:58:24 GMT
OldR, your own source says: "It’s clear that simply throwing money at the team does not create success. While QPR’s whopping £30m budget allowed Neil Warnock’s team to run away with the league, it took good management to harness these resources"So not really. The source admits in the same paragraph that the budget allowed us to walk away with the league... We can sugar-coat this as much as we want and although Warnock still had to galvanise the team he was given more money than any QPR manager to date and effectively a blank cheque book. We bought success and cheated. And yet we could never have "walked away with the league" without Warnock. So that's the full context here. That's not "sugar-coating", it's just reality. Furthermore, Warnock did not ONLY "galvanise" the team, he pretty much assembled and orchestrated it too. So again, that's the full context you're omitting.
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Post by spongeparr on Jan 9, 2024 10:58:41 GMT
Fascinating thread. Was idly musing today about how better off we might have been if Derby had beaten us at Wembley....... But even knowing how shit it's been since, who would forfeit that amazing Zamora moment? Hubs makes some sense, however. I'd have stopped being a Man City fan the minute they started buying success. Give me Dennis Tueart or Colin Bell any day over whichever globalists they have playing in their position today. I would have rather not had that Zamora moment. Where we should look back at the rich boys and that period with complete disdain and embarrassment we have a moment which is celebrated every year as if it was a huge achievement. It was a moment where a significantly financially doped team scraped by the play offs, no more, no less. Which leads me on to buying success. Fulham fans accused us of being green eyed when al Fayed bankrolled their success and many people made statements about walking away if it happened to us as it wasn't the QPR way... where was all that altruism when we bought the Championship in 2010/11 and when we cheated our way through the next 4 seasons? Tbf, football changed a lot in that time. Fulham were spending bigger than Premier League teams and owners throwing money at it wasn't all that common. Since then, pretty much every club in the top 2 tiers have had rich owners trying to uy success.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 11:03:11 GMT
The source admits in the same paragraph that the budget allowed us to walk away with the league... We can sugar-coat this as much as we want and although Warnock still had to galvanise the team he was given more money than any QPR manager to date and effectively a blank cheque book. We bought success and cheated. And yet we could never have "walked away with the league" without Warnock. So that's the full context here. That's not "sugar-coating", it's just reality. Furthermore, Warnock did not ONLY "galvanise" the team, he pretty much assembled and orchestrated it too. So again, that's the full context you're omitting. Do we win the league without Warnock but with the money? Probably. Do we win the league without the money but with Warnock? No.
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Post by 1qprdk on Jan 9, 2024 11:05:54 GMT
Boro same season bigger budget not even playoffs.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 9, 2024 11:06:05 GMT
And yet we could never have "walked away with the league" without Warnock. So that's the full context here. That's not "sugar-coating", it's just reality. Furthermore, Warnock did not ONLY "galvanise" the team, he pretty much assembled and orchestrated it too. So again, that's the full context you're omitting. Do we win the league without Warnock but with the money? Probably.Do we win the league without the money but with Warnock? No. Definitely not "probably". Countless examples of owners chucking money at a situation without it paying off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 11:10:31 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree on this.
For me it was a slap in the face against all our traditions and very un-QPR.
I would have rather been relegated and/or formed AFC QPR than do what we did but each to their own 👍
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Post by 1qprdk on Jan 9, 2024 11:16:00 GMT
OldR, your own source says: "It’s clear that simply throwing money at the team does not create success. While QPR’s whopping £30m budget allowed Neil Warnock’s team to run away with the league, it took good management to harness these resources"So not really. The source admits in the same paragraph that the budget allowed us to walk away with the league... We can sugar-coat this as much as we want and although Warnock still had to galvanise the team he was given more money than any QPR manager to date and effectively a blank cheque book. We bought success and cheated.We may have bought success, but don't get why you label it as cheating. FFP rules not in place until 2011-2012. To cheat you need to violate some existing set of rules, and we did no such thing.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 9, 2024 11:17:18 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree on this. For me it was a slap in the face against all our traditions and very un-QPR. I would have rather been relegated and/or formed AFC QPR than do what we did but each to their own 👍 I can see where you're coming from there, but happy to agree to disagree on it.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 9, 2024 15:02:33 GMT
OldR, your own source says: "It’s clear that simply throwing money at the team does not create success. While QPR’s whopping £30m budget allowed Neil Warnock’s team to run away with the league, it took good management to harness these resources"So not really. The source admits in the same paragraph that the budget allowed us to walk away with the league... We can sugar-coat this as much as we want and although Warnock still had to galvanise the team he was given more money than any QPR manager to date and effectively a blank cheque book. We bought success and cheated. Bet you enjoyed it at the time though 😉
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Post by itsonlyagame on Jan 9, 2024 15:08:32 GMT
And yet we could never have "walked away with the league" without Warnock. So that's the full context here. That's not "sugar-coating", it's just reality. Furthermore, Warnock did not ONLY "galvanise" the team, he pretty much assembled and orchestrated it too. So again, that's the full context you're omitting. Do we win the league without Warnock but with the money? Probably. Do we win the league without the money but with Warnock? No. Plenty of teams have spent and failed, including us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 15:20:19 GMT
The source admits in the same paragraph that the budget allowed us to walk away with the league... We can sugar-coat this as much as we want and although Warnock still had to galvanise the team he was given more money than any QPR manager to date and effectively a blank cheque book. We bought success and cheated. Bet you enjoyed it at the time though 😉 Nope, and on record on here saying how much I hated it.
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Post by itsonlyagame on Jan 9, 2024 16:08:10 GMT
Bet you enjoyed it at the time though 😉 Nope, and on record on here saying how much I hated it. What about the season we went up under Warnock, did you celebrate promotion or indeed any of our victories that season?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 16:21:42 GMT
Nope, and on record on here saying how much I hated it. What about the season we went up under Warnock, did you celebrate promotion or indeed any of our victories that season? I boycotted most of it to be honest, I'm not a hypocrite. I fucking hate chequebook football and always will do. I'm a QPR purist and struggle to understand how any long term fan could have turned a blind eye to the manner in which we 'achieved' our 'success'.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 9, 2024 17:01:26 GMT
I’ve been coming since ‘63, Bill since ‘62 and a mate who sits next to me dates back to the 50s - can you explain what a QPR purist is please? Is it from when Jim Gregory used to have his petty cash tin handy? Hardly the way things should have been done even in those days. Did the great team of the 70s not cost money? All relative of course, but same principle. Did we not buy success then? Isn’t that how it works?
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 9, 2024 17:04:53 GMT
Bet you enjoyed it at the time though 😉 Nope, and on record on here saying how much I hated it. You mean to tell me we went unbeaten for 19 games, had 25 clean sheets in total, came top of the league and lifted a trophy for the first time in years and you didn't enjoy any of it? Pull the other one mate 🤣 load of bollocks.
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Post by Corbray on Jan 9, 2024 17:05:03 GMT
What about the season we went up under Warnock, did you celebrate promotion or indeed any of our victories that season? I boycotted most of it to be honest, I'm not a hypocrite. I fucking hate chequebook football and always will do. I'm a QPR purist and struggle to understand how any long term fan could have turned a blind eye to the manner in which we 'achieved' our 'success'. ironically i was a chelsea fan until roman bought them out and stopped supporting them due to the cheque book football lol. only chose QPR as i liked the name, they were a local small club and holloway was funny. my dad's a big fulham fan and i have said many times his biggest failing as a parent is not getting his only son to support his team. i think people liked the big names because of what it represents, glitz, glamour and fame. whenever we had a big name in the past it was always someone in the twilight of their career ala ray wilkins and it was rare that we ever signed a household name in their prime. i'm sure there's been a couple but we either signed players on the way up, or the way down even in our heyday. so you see these big names on TV, the rio's, the champions league regulars, the international icons etc and you think "man, what a player. we'll never see any of that ilk with us!" only for them to then rock up at LR it does bring an element of excitement to it. but i'll agree too that i did feel a bit disilusioned with the club during those moneybag years too, some great moments and starstruck excitement for sure but it was a rather shallow time. at the same time though you can't blame fans for getting excited after 20+ years of shit being served up.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 9, 2024 17:05:59 GMT
I’ve been coming since ‘63, Bill since ‘62 and a mate who sits next to me dates back to the 50s - can you explain what a QPR purist is please? Is it from when Jim Gregory used to have his petty cash tin handy? Hardly the way things should have been done even in those days. Did the great team of the 70s not cost money? All relative of course, but same principle. Did we not buy success then? Isn’t that how it works? Apparently its a QPR fan who finds no joy in supporting QPR 🤣
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Post by Bill on Jan 9, 2024 17:42:30 GMT
The source admits in the same paragraph that the budget allowed us to walk away with the league... We can sugar-coat this as much as we want and although Warnock still had to galvanise the team he was given more money than any QPR manager to date and effectively a blank cheque book. We bought success and cheated. Bet you enjoyed it at the time though 😉 Some of the most entertaining football by a Rangers side ever. We deserved that title no question,poetic justice if you like when an offside goal at Norwich robbed us of our biggest prize ever We didnt cheat and we did not buy the title. Think you need to lay off the sherberts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 17:50:51 GMT
Nope, and on record on here saying how much I hated it. You mean to tell me we went unbeaten for 19 games, had 25 clean sheets in total, came top of the league and lifted a trophy for the first time in years and you didn't enjoy any of it? Pull the other one mate 🤣 load of bollocks. We bought it mate. There was absolutely no authenticity in it at all. It was hollow 'success' and if you enjoyed it great but it was so far removed from being 'achieved' in the manner in which I believe QPR should be that I found the whole experience gaudy and embarrassing. On a slight tangent, please never forget that whilst you were celebrating there were a number of good QPR fans who had been priced out of Loftus Road by the new owners who were wealthy enough to fund 'success' but not the keep ticket costs down so all historical fans could attend.... At least I had a choice whether to attend the boutique club games or not...
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Jan 9, 2024 17:51:28 GMT
Apparently, according to KingAustin(is he springbok)? On Watrb club is going to be hit with a 10 point deduction very soon. Can't see it myself,but then again you never know with those clowns that run the club.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 9, 2024 17:52:47 GMT
Assuming your’re still boycotting games
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 17:52:49 GMT
Bet you enjoyed it at the time though 😉 Some of the most entertaining football by a Rangers side ever. We deserved that title no question,poetic justice if you like when an offside goal at Norwich robbed us of our biggest prize ever We didnt cheat and we did not buy the title. Think you need to lay off the sherberts. Oh yeah, didn't buy the title? So how did we acquire 'success' Bill?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 17:53:47 GMT
Assuming your’re still boycotting games Your boutique dream died mate and I returned... 👍
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Post by Shania on Jan 9, 2024 17:56:17 GMT
Apparently, according to KingAustin(is he springbok)? On Watrb club is going to be hit with a 10 point deduction very soon. Can't see it myself,but then again you never know with those clowns that run the club. No wonder we aren't signing any players if this true.
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