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Post by Bill on May 18, 2024 17:02:15 GMT
Or is it going to be the same old summer transfer strategy.
I sincerely hope not
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Post by James1979 on May 18, 2024 19:27:02 GMT
I agree with what you guys are saying and in some ways I’d love him to stay. For me, he was player of the season. But our philosophy has to be 1) good football ie. Opposite to Ainsworth and Holloway ball 2) develop players and sell, then reinvest. We’ve had history of not selling at the right time.
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Post by alanwycombe on May 18, 2024 21:31:35 GMT
If you want to keep Marti I think you need to build a team to challenge at the top. If we sell to make profits we’ll be looking for a new manager all the time too. Club needs to have ambition to be an attractive proposition. If we sell JCS we need to have a genuine prospect lined up to replace him.
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Post by Stanley75 on May 18, 2024 21:59:21 GMT
Keep him and we have a genuine opportunity next season to challenge.
Sell him and it's yet another step into the unknown, and probably yet another season of treading water.
Keep him and you also match Marti's ambitions.
Sell him and Marti probably thinks "what's the point in this"
I get we need the money, but we need the players too. There's absolutely no guarantees that a replacement will a) be as good and b) will hit the ground running.
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Post by James1979 on May 18, 2024 22:10:04 GMT
Sell him and get 2 strikers and a goalie in
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Post by Greg1882 on May 19, 2024 4:44:55 GMT
Selling him does not show a lack of ambition. Selling him at the wrong time or for the wrong price shows a lack of ambition. The financial constraints the club have to work against are well documented. Anyone who thinks picking up an injury prone player for free and selling them for north of 5 million on the back of one good season is something we shouldn’t be doing baffles me. It’s exactly what we should be doing. Part of the money received is reinvested and part banked for a rainy day. Rinse and repeat. It doesn’t mean we can’t and won’t be successful. How do we know the replacement might not be a better option? The club has a history of not selling when the stock is high, ie Chris willock. Other clubs have been promoted and stayed there on the back of that model, why can’t we? . He’s got 2 years left and is one injury away from not being a sellable asset. I like him and if he had longer on the contract then great but presently he doesn’t and unless that changes we should be looking to sell when the stock is high and reinvest. That’s my 2 pence worth anyway.
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Post by alanwycombe on May 19, 2024 6:31:26 GMT
Good points. All about balancing objectives and hinges on how good the new guy is at identifying replacements. Breaking up best defensive partnership for a few years is a pisser tho.
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Post by Timmy Doc on May 19, 2024 6:31:38 GMT
Should have taken 3m from Dykes, should accept 3m for JCS. We are bottom half team anyway. Don't get carried away.
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Post by alanwycombe on May 19, 2024 6:34:47 GMT
3m for JCS is having our pants pulled down again. 3m for Dykes is pulling someone else’s down.
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Post by Greg1882 on May 19, 2024 6:49:08 GMT
Good points. All about balancing objectives and hinges on how good the new guy is at identifying replacements. Breaking up best defensive partnership for a few years is a pisser tho. Yeah I get it personally I really like jcs but if we step away and take the rose tinted specs off 5m plus for someone with his injury record(not just with us) who isn’t tied down to a long term deal(that changes everything) and who we picked up for nothing is exactly the sort of business we’ve been crying out for the club to do and makes absolute sense. It’s how we improve. We always hold onto players too long when there is interest to appease the support but to the clubs financial detriment. BOS was another one. Long term deal and come for the ride or look to find a buyer because you can be absolutely certain another injury or a contract run down and that figure keeps getting smaller then we will be saying “why didn’t you sell him for decent money when you had the chance”. I don’t see it as a small club mentality or the club saying we aren’t ambitious and want to improve it’s just reality and how we need to operate and how we should operate. |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 19, 2024 7:59:19 GMT
Not saying we shouldn't sell, but sell if the price is right and not be held over a barrel. Alternatively, extending his contract is always an option if the budget is there. I of course understand the selling model but you still have to take into account the disruption (to team spirit, bedding in new players) that can cause to the continuity we've built up with this squad and Marti. All I'm arguing for is some sensible flexibility to the approach.
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Post by Greg1882 on May 19, 2024 8:04:37 GMT
Not saying we shouldn't sell, but sell if the price is right without being held over a barrel. Alternatively, extend his contract is always an option if the budget is there. I of course understand the selling model but you still have to take into account the disruption (to team spirit, bedding in new players) that can cause to the continuity we've built up with this squad. All I'm arguing for is some sensible flexibility to the approach. 100% agreed. This nourey doesnt strike me as a mug which I have felt previous people in that role have been. Trust him to do what’s best for the football club |
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Post by Corbray on May 19, 2024 8:35:44 GMT
always a balance around sales. we could end up selling him for £7m or so to a prem club only for him to go on and play for england next year and have us all kicking ourselves at being robbed. on the flip side he could completely flop or pick up injuries and we'd all celebrate lol.
way i look at it is £7m would go a long way to improving our squad as it's been hinted at in the media that we have some money to spend anyway due to the recent TV deals etc. imagine what nourry and marti could do with £10m or so. we have the spine of a team there but just need a few quality tweaks to mould the side into what marti wants.
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Post by Rangers77 on May 19, 2024 10:02:00 GMT
Finances will decide things. I'd keep the squad, especially him, minus Willock and Dykes, who I'd flog. Resign Hayden and tear heaven and earth apart trying to find two strikers. And go for top six.
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Post by alanwycombe on May 19, 2024 10:41:49 GMT
Might have to get some money in though☹️
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Post by James1979 on May 19, 2024 10:57:19 GMT
Finances will decide things. I'd keep the squad, especially him, minus Willock and Dykes, who I'd flog. Resign Hayden and tear heaven and earth apart trying to find two strikers. And go for top six. You don’t fear another Johansen if we sign Hayden? His wages will likely be high. |
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Post by Bill on May 19, 2024 11:21:24 GMT
So 2 years ago Carter Vickers goes to Celtic 7 mill a fringe player at Spurs.
Surely JCS is worth more than that.
3 mill is laughable and 2 strikers and a keeper for 7 is frankly not going to happen.
If we are serious about challenging top six we have to do much better than that and sign some quality.
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Post by alanwycombe on May 19, 2024 11:35:30 GMT
Finances will decide things. I'd keep the squad, especially him, minus Willock and Dykes, who I'd flog. Resign Hayden and tear heaven and earth apart trying to find two strikers. And go for top six. You don’t fear another Johansen if we sign Hayden? His wages will likely be high. Hayden has more miles left in him than Stefan plus half of him won’t keep wishing he was still at Fulham. Wages will probably depend on who else wants him. |
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Post by Rangers77 on May 19, 2024 11:57:25 GMT
Finances will decide things. I'd keep the squad, especially him, minus Willock and Dykes, who I'd flog. Resign Hayden and tear heaven and earth apart trying to find two strikers. And go for top six. You don’t fear another Johansen if we sign Hayden? His wages will likely be high. At least he has his legs. And there are grown ups in charge now 🙏🏻 |
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Post by spongeparr on May 20, 2024 9:47:30 GMT
Finances will decide things. I'd keep the squad, especially him, minus Willock and Dykes, who I'd flog. Resign Hayden and tear heaven and earth apart trying to find two strikers. And go for top six. You don’t fear another Johansen if we sign Hayden? His wages will likely be high. Younger than he was though, right? And Johansen wasn't a bad signing, it was just made to look worse when the whole season went to shit. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 25, 2024 9:54:53 GMT
What’s up with him?
Simply early season playing himself in?
Head turned by transfer speculation?
Huge ability but has looked average at best so far this campaign.
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 25, 2024 11:15:56 GMT
What’s up with him? Simply early season playing himself in? Head turned by transfer speculation? Huge ability but has looked average at best so far this campaign. Totally agree think he has been very poor by his standards of last season. The version we have seen so far should be sold if there are teams wanting him. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2024 12:10:16 GMT
What’s up with him? Simply early season playing himself in? Head turned by transfer speculation? Huge ability but has looked average at best so far this campaign. Totally agree think he has been very poor by his standards of last season. The version we have seen so far should be sold if there are teams wanting him. How does that help?. Second half of last season once he got over his injuries he was close to being our player of the season and his partnership with Cook was a key in keeping us up. We have all seen his ability and importance to the team so now we should sell him because he has had 3 mediocre games?. Great then who do we play. Fox Injured, Morrison never played at JCS level before. Move Dunne over and hope Santos makes it at RB. Drop Field back to CB and leave the defensive midfield weakened.? We have spent the summer cleaning out the dross and building a better squad that will take time to settle and after only 3 games people want to sell our better players with no ability to replace them before January. If we sell everyone who has a couple of bad games we will not have a team left by the end of January. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 25, 2024 12:14:20 GMT
Below par JCS is still our best option with Cook as CBs. Form fluctuates but he’s still a top player at this level. Far bigger problems than JCS.
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 25, 2024 14:16:22 GMT
The point is if we are a club who buys cheap and sells on then now is the time to sell. Do not make the same mistake with JCS as we did Dickie and to a degree Willock. Yes on his day he is our best option but right now he is not at his best so if there is interest and it makes sense cash in same with Paal.
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Post by systemsguy on Aug 25, 2024 15:13:03 GMT
You can only sell what someone wants to buy.... Everyone seemingly says JCS and Paal sell sell sell
However I'm not seen anything concrete in interest for either and QPR fans have this deluded idea how much our players are worth...
Whoever goes (Dykes and Chair?) I'll be glad when the window shuts at the end of the week, players can then focus on playing for QPR
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Post by The General on Aug 25, 2024 15:35:23 GMT
Chair injured not going anywhere
Jcs would be gone by now
Dykes will be gone hopefully
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Post by EGRanger on Aug 25, 2024 15:38:46 GMT
It feels like there will be some more activity buying and selling this week - if JCS is sold this week it will be the price offered and not the way he has played this season
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Post by Shania on Aug 25, 2024 15:47:38 GMT
When we start to set our chances and the midfield start to function I think JCS will cheer up. Cook also.
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Post by 1973ranger on Aug 25, 2024 16:03:30 GMT
It feels like there will be some more activity buying and selling this week - if JCS is sold this week it will be the price offered and not the way he has played this season . And if there is interest and it makes sense financially then sell to then re invest. |
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