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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 1, 2023 14:29:23 GMT
We’ve done another 180 flip. Gone from wanting bring in young players to develop and sell on for profit to bringing in 30+ players will no resale value. We literally have no strategy the club is dysfunctional says one thing then does another. Well, I guess everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Needs must... And actually, they're not mutually exclusive. Having the likes of Begovic and Colback in the squad week-in, week-out, can only help the youngsters develop. A healthy balance from 18 to 35 year olds is essential IMO. Every team needs a couple of older & wiser heads. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2023 14:48:03 GMT
We’ve done another 180 flip. Gone from wanting bring in young players to develop and sell on for profit to bringing in 30+ players will no resale value. We literally have no strategy the club is dysfunctional says one thing then does another. Well, I guess everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Needs must... And actually, they're not mutually exclusive. Having the likes of Begovic and Colback in the squad week-in, week-out, can only help the youngsters develop. no problem with the individuals just opposite of what we were sold. Think begovic and colback solid additions. But if the strategy is to sell players to stay afloat signing older players not going achieve that and we’re storing up trouble. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2023 14:48:41 GMT
Well, I guess everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Needs must... And actually, they're not mutually exclusive. Having the likes of Begovic and Colback in the squad week-in, week-out, can only help the youngsters develop. A healthy balance from 18 to 35 year olds is essential IMO. Every team needs a couple of older & wiser heads. agree but where are the 19-23 year olds coming in for balance. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 1, 2023 14:57:08 GMT
Knee jerk reactions, they react when things have happened with no thought of the action they take. Absolutely no long term plan. How any of this mob got rich is amazing
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Post by James1979 on Aug 1, 2023 15:06:03 GMT
Well, I guess everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Needs must... And actually, they're not mutually exclusive. Having the likes of Begovic and Colback in the squad week-in, week-out, can only help the youngsters develop. no problem with the individuals just opposite of what we were sold. Think begovic and colback solid additions. But if the strategy is to sell players to stay afloat signing older players not going achieve that and we’re storing up trouble. That’s true but we’ve got to stabilise first. |
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Post by Shania on Aug 1, 2023 15:09:46 GMT
I think most agents, young players and their clubs are sitting on the fence as far as QPR are concerned. And not entirely because of Ainsworth I presume.
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 1, 2023 15:58:14 GMT
A healthy balance from 18 to 35 year olds is essential IMO. Every team needs a couple of older & wiser heads. agree but where are the 19-23 year olds coming in for balance. Maybe the 'strategy', if I can dare to use that word, is to give youth a chance this season. Indeed he may have no choice in the matter. This could turn out to be either exciting or calamitous. I've not seen much of pre-season so don't know how much he's tested some of them out. Results overall haven't been too bad other than the disastrous mauling on Saturday. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2023 16:29:07 GMT
no problem with the individuals just opposite of what we were sold. Think begovic and colback solid additions. But if the strategy is to sell players to stay afloat signing older players not going achieve that and we’re storing up trouble. That’s true but we’ve got to stabilise first. I agree with this but there is a big BUT. We were stable under Warburton I would add whilst he’s a rat we would have remained stable under Beale. We done the hard work getting stability four years back and have decided undo all that hard work. The appointment of Ainsworth undone all the previous work as nothing he brought aligns with what went before or what they had built towards. It’s like self harm what they have done. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 1, 2023 16:35:55 GMT
Be interested to know if there was a club way to play policy under previous bosses. And are the youth upto reserve teams still playing it
Look at that a serious question with some forethought 😀
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 1, 2023 16:52:40 GMT
We’ve done another 180 flip. Gone from wanting bring in young players to develop and sell on for profit to bringing in 30+ players will no resale value. We literally have no strategy the club is dysfunctional says one thing then does another. Didn't really work though did it mate? I'm sure we'll bring in a new DoF with a new strategy of how build a sustainable club and all that. For now though, it's do what you can to stay in the division. Gotta be honest, in my opinion this period of pain is a direct result of Les being fucking useless in recent seasons. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2023 16:56:55 GMT
We’ve done another 180 flip. Gone from wanting bring in young players to develop and sell on for profit to bringing in 30+ players will no resale value. We literally have no strategy the club is dysfunctional says one thing then does another. Didn't really work though did it mate? I'm sure we'll bring in a new DoF with a new strategy of how build a sustainable club and all that. For now though, it's do what you can to stay in the division. Gotta be honest, in my opinion this period of pain is a direct result of Les being fucking useless in recent seasons. because it’s working now Tarbs |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 1, 2023 16:59:20 GMT
Depends on your idea of working mate. It's needs must at the moment. No money, no pipeline of youngsters. Reminds me on Holloway's first summer after admin. Scraping together a team with pocket change.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2023 17:02:45 GMT
Unless I’m reading you wrong you’re suggesting we were not in stable position before and we are now? Stability is the point I’m making nor managers or style of plsy but stable position.
Would you prefer our current position over previous years?
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Post by sparks on Aug 1, 2023 17:05:42 GMT
The strategy was correct, just needs to be done better.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2023 17:06:54 GMT
I would love to know what the strategy is now Sparks I no longer see one.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 1, 2023 17:07:26 GMT
I'd prefer we'd been wiser with our money in the past mate. I think Les did a very good job of steadying the ship in his first year or two. In the years since he's overseen a steady decline, culminating in backing Warbs to get us promoted with money we didn't have. Resulting in the shite we've got to endure now.
Is what it is. We've gotta just take it on the chin and hope we can a.) stay up and b.) develop a few players that sell for decent money.
Ain't all doom and gloom though. I genuinely believe half this division is having similar problems.
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Post by sparks on Aug 1, 2023 17:16:06 GMT
I’m in the same boat as you West Acton.
I saw a couple of U21 games towards the end of last season, I’m saw the youngsters play hoofball.
The last game of the season against Wigan I saw 2 of our players subbed off and only 1 sub replaced them (the bench not Ainsworth, he was sitting in SA Rd stand) nobody realised except for commentator we were a man down , it took 5mins before anyone realised to put another on, it was organised chaos. We lost by a big margin maybe 4 or 5 to 1
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Post by Bill on Aug 1, 2023 17:32:58 GMT
What's the point of all pre-season and creating team spirit there and then signing half of the starting 11 afterwards? Agree |
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Post by Bill on Aug 1, 2023 17:33:25 GMT
I would love to know what the strategy is now Sparks I no longer see one. Agree |
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Post by Bill on Aug 1, 2023 17:34:26 GMT
Knee jerk reactions, they react when things have happened with no thought of the action they take. Absolutely no long term plan. How any of this mob got rich is amazing Agree |
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Post by Bill on Aug 1, 2023 17:35:30 GMT
Well, I guess everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. Needs must... And actually, they're not mutually exclusive. Having the likes of Begovic and Colback in the squad week-in, week-out, can only help the youngsters develop. I admire your optimism, West is bang on - the club have thrown the whole 'philosophy' we had been building out the window. We were playing a certain brand of football which was consistent through Warburton, Beale & Critchley appointments, and have totally disregarded that in appointing Ainsworth. Likewise the proposed plan of developing youngsters to sell on is clearly on the back burner now with short term visions engaged. Don't get me wrong, I think Begovic & Colback are both decent players and an improvement on what we have/had.... but in terms of the clubs structure we are a shambles. Agree |
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Post by Bill on Aug 1, 2023 17:36:46 GMT
We’ve done another 180 flip. Gone from wanting bring in young players to develop and sell on for profit to bringing in 30+ players will no resale value. We literally have no strategy the club is dysfunctional says one thing then does another. Agree |
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Post by Bill on Aug 1, 2023 17:40:00 GMT
Between 5-7 new players expected in according to David McIntyre If that’s true, no one can say ainsworth isn’t being backed 5-7 is that the odds on us going down. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2023 18:03:52 GMT
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 1, 2023 18:12:47 GMT
That’s true but we’ve got to stabilise first. I agree with this but there is a big BUT. We were stable under Warburton I would add whilst he’s a rat we would have remained stable under Beale. We done the hard work getting stability four years back and have decided undo all that hard work. The appointment of Ainsworth undone all the previous work as nothing he brought aligns with what went before or what they had built towards. It’s like self harm what they have done. Agreed, he's undone all the previous work, but the moment he was appointed we knew what kind of manager he was. So should we now be in the slightest bit surprised at the type of players he's brought in? |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2023 18:14:32 GMT
This is intriguing wonder if better option has presented itself
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Post by Corbray on Aug 1, 2023 18:18:32 GMT
my guess is forino is on his way
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Post by Shania on Aug 1, 2023 18:49:12 GMT
Forino still looks way off the pace according to some posters on their message board. It`s not problem in the long run, but we need a CB in who can start now (probably). This Looks like a sustainable longterm project obviously.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Aug 1, 2023 18:49:20 GMT
Bob hazel has said he come back,
#rightageknowsclub
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Post by West Acton on Aug 1, 2023 19:10:42 GMT
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