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Post by spongeparr on Aug 22, 2024 8:46:05 GMT
It is too early to say if Nourry will be a success. Probably won't know for a couple of years at least.
But the initial noises are positive. Got the right manager in, cleared backroom staff who aren't good enough. Re structured the staff as well.
Player wise, we have opened up the scouting, using data like never before (for us) and not just people that have been worked/coached but someone we know. So on paper, doing everything right. Plus giving the School End back to QPR so it appears to be going in the right direction.
Of course, all of these players might flop. We might break FFP. School end might be empty. We might have sacked the wrong people. As of yet, too early to know but the noises so far are good. Hopefully that comes through to the actuals of the club.
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Post by jfrabbit on Aug 22, 2024 9:52:47 GMT
He is doing something right.
Naming rights all over the stadium, training kit etc, significant fees being payed for players and what not.
If I was taking a calculated guess, I'd say a lot of this is Eze money that they hope and think will come in at some stage.
I genuinely don't think it's investment money or FFP free cash, I think we're holding onto the hope Eze will go for big money and we'll recoup £8-10m
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 22, 2024 10:12:28 GMT
He is doing something right. Naming rights all over the stadium, training kit etc, significant fees being payed for players and what not. If I was taking a calculated guess, I'd say a lot of this is Eze money that they hope and think will come in at some stage. I genuinely don't think it's investment money or FFP free cash, I think we're holding onto the hope Eze will go for big money and we'll recoup £8-10m If it is the Eze money, then that would worry me. There are zero guarantees that Eze will be sold. He could get another bad injury at the wrong time and then decide to run his contract down etc. How often was Zaha linked with a massive move to Arsenal etc only to then go on a free. I think he will be sold next year, but as a CEO you shouldn't (in my mind) be spending money that isn't there or in your own control. |
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Post by acricketer on Aug 22, 2024 10:34:54 GMT
We’ve had an experienced man at the top - full of corporate bullshit - and anyone who wanted an old head as manager was dismissed as out of touch and ‘we don’t need a dinosaur’………so we’ve got what many wanted, a foreign coach and a stats man. Brentford R Us. Exactly - my only complaint is we should have done this at least 5 years ago, if not 10! I think getting him in at 16 would be pushing it. |
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Post by hal9thou on Aug 22, 2024 11:04:41 GMT
He is doing something right. Naming rights all over the stadium, training kit etc, significant fees being payed for players and what not. If I was taking a calculated guess, I'd say a lot of this is Eze money that they hope and think will come in at some stage. I genuinely don't think it's investment money or FFP free cash, I think we're holding onto the hope Eze will go for big money and we'll recoup £8-10m If it is the Eze money, then that would worry me. There are zero guarantees that Eze will be sold. He could get another bad injury at the wrong time and then decide to run his contract down etc. How often was Zaha linked with a massive move to Arsenal etc only to then go on a free. I think he will be sold next year, but as a CEO you shouldn't (in my mind) be spending money that isn't there or in your own control. good post from the sponge. i too would be worried if we were financing the club on a hypothetical sale. Especially one involving a footballer as opposed to property or equities. For example. |
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Post by jfrabbit on Aug 22, 2024 12:02:18 GMT
He is doing something right. Naming rights all over the stadium, training kit etc, significant fees being payed for players and what not. If I was taking a calculated guess, I'd say a lot of this is Eze money that they hope and think will come in at some stage. I genuinely don't think it's investment money or FFP free cash, I think we're holding onto the hope Eze will go for big money and we'll recoup £8-10m If it is the Eze money, then that would worry me. There are zero guarantees that Eze will be sold. He could get another bad injury at the wrong time and then decide to run his contract down etc. How often was Zaha linked with a massive move to Arsenal etc only to then go on a free. I think he will be sold next year, but as a CEO you shouldn't (in my mind) be spending money that isn't there or in your own control. Fully agree and only a guess but this money has to be coming from somewhere. |
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Post by awin on Aug 22, 2024 12:45:52 GMT
If it is the Eze money, then that would worry me. There are zero guarantees that Eze will be sold. He could get another bad injury at the wrong time and then decide to run his contract down etc. How often was Zaha linked with a massive move to Arsenal etc only to then go on a free. I think he will be sold next year, but as a CEO you shouldn't (in my mind) be spending money that isn't there or in your own control. Fully agree and only a guess but this money has to be coming from somewhere. I can only think we are using amortization on all purchases over long contracts to mitigate initial costs. |
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 22, 2024 12:49:07 GMT
We have money from naming rights, training ground rent, a few play sales, money off the books (wages), plus more Sky money so I think that would account for what we have spent.
You can only spread the costs over 4 years anyway I believe, rather than a whole length of contract (not that I can see doing a Chelsea with contract lengths anyway)
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Post by awin on Aug 22, 2024 12:52:08 GMT
We have money from naming rights, training ground rent, a few play sales, money off the books (wages), plus more Sky money so I think that would account for what we have spent. You can only spread the costs over 4 years anyway I believe, rather than a whole length of contract (not that I can see doing a Chelsea with contract lengths anyway) You can amortize over the full length of contract, if you extend the contract (ie Kelman), you can amortize the rest owing over the new length of contract. |
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Post by James1979 on Aug 22, 2024 13:00:58 GMT
If it is the Eze money, then that would worry me. There are zero guarantees that Eze will be sold. He could get another bad injury at the wrong time and then decide to run his contract down etc. How often was Zaha linked with a massive move to Arsenal etc only to then go on a free. I think he will be sold next year, but as a CEO you shouldn't (in my mind) be spending money that isn't there or in your own control. Fully agree and only a guess but this money has to be coming from somewhere. I think our wage bill must be down from last 2 years and revenue up. Just depends how much they’ve got a wage bill down but the transfer fees over a few years will help. So with Armstrong money too, I’d say we have a bit of headroom to spend. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 22, 2024 13:03:28 GMT
Fully agree and only a guess but this money has to be coming from somewhere. I can only think we are using amortization on all purchases over long contracts to mitigate initial costs. Is why Chelsea offer long contracts |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 22, 2024 14:28:07 GMT
If it is the Eze money, then that would worry me. There are zero guarantees that Eze will be sold. He could get another bad injury at the wrong time and then decide to run his contract down etc. How often was Zaha linked with a massive move to Arsenal etc only to then go on a free. I think he will be sold next year, but as a CEO you shouldn't (in my mind) be spending money that isn't there or in your own control. good post from the sponge. i too would be worried if we were financing the club on a hypothetical sale. Especially one involving a footballer as opposed to property or equities. For example. Agreed. Would be amazed and horrified in equal measure if we were doing that. But one suggestion was we got x amount for Eze playing for England. It’s also conceivable - I put it no more strongly than that - Nourry might have agreed to tear up the sell on clause in return for a smaller, and guaranteed, amount now. The naming rights, the amortisations, the emphasis on youth, all suggest to me a management very conscious of the financial pressures now. But of course we are QPR and the previous CEO assured us that the Warbs spending spree was well within budgets only for it to emerge later that we came within a whisker of going over FFP limits. So every QPR fan is entitled to be cautious and concerned, but at the same time let’s not automatically assume this regime is necessarily as hopeless as the last one. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 22, 2024 15:46:42 GMT
We’ve had an experienced man at the top - full of corporate bullshit - and anyone who wanted an old head as manager was dismissed as out of touch and ‘we don’t need a dinosaur’………so we’ve got what many wanted, a foreign coach and a stats man. Brentford R Us. so what is he the stats man or CEO? More to running a club then Just signing players, reasonable start from him so far but if we’re being honest as a CEO I’m guessing he has as much experience in the role as Les had as a DOF. I’m impressed so far but not going fall on my knees just yet. As sponge says if it’s Eze money being spent in advance of the egg hatching that’s dangerous!!! I genuinely don’t think we would do that which begs question where has money come from. Good thread and debate 👍🏽 |
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 22, 2024 15:54:11 GMT
Not bothered where it’s come from as long as it doesn’t lead to a points deduction.
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Post by hal9thou on Aug 22, 2024 16:03:31 GMT
We’ve had an experienced man at the top - full of corporate bullshit - and anyone who wanted an old head as manager was dismissed as out of touch and ‘we don’t need a dinosaur’………so we’ve got what many wanted, a foreign coach and a stats man. Brentford R Us. I genuinely don’t think we would do that which begs question where has money come from. I agree that they wont be banking on Eze money, but we've banked a bit of dosh. Armstrong. Increased media rights deal. Willock off the wage bill. Position in FFP cycle favourable relatively speaking, which doesn't give us anything except a little more leeway in the market place. It also sounds like we've picked up sponsorship for everything including the tea lady, and there maybe increased season ticket sales to chuck in. |
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Post by West Acton on Aug 22, 2024 16:05:31 GMT
Not bothered where it’s come from as long as it doesn’t lead to a points deduction. well if it goes wrong won’t be expecting to see any complaints from yourself. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 22, 2024 16:10:00 GMT
Read elsewhere that dev squad players don't count towards FFP. Don't know how strictly that is applied (eg if a dev squad player makes some sub appearances, does he still stay outside FFP?). But could explain why we are signing a lot of dev squad players who seem right on the cusp of the first team, and perhaps a bit older, like this 19-year-old Brazilian we are being linked with. Clever ruse to get round the spend cap?
Might be talking utter bollox here but potentially an example of the club finally being a bit more savvy about all this FFP stuff which is enabling it to spend more than we expected.
I do get Westy's reservations about not getting carried away on Nourry (as he and I both warned about Boil Face) but the fact we do have an Oxford graduate in the building who probably has the brains to actually sit down and read the regulations rather than some old lag like Hoos who prob just followed what everyone else was doing - that has to be a bonus, surely?
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Post by 901rsfandan on Aug 22, 2024 17:17:53 GMT
I genuinely don’t think we would do that which begs question where has money come from. I agree that they wont be banking on Eze money, but we've banked a bit of dosh. Armstrong. Increased media rights deal. Willock off the wage bill. Position in FFP cycle favourable relatively speaking, which doesn't give us anything except a little more leeway in the market place. It also sounds like we've picked up sponsorship for everything including the tea lady, and there maybe increased season ticket sales to chuck in. And I did my part in the superstore this summer LOL! But on that note, it must be nice to be some of the "bigger" clubs who get to rake it in on jersey sales alone. There are so many ManU, Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, Barcelona, Bayern etc. jerseys being worn here in the states, and most of those folks could not even point to any of those places on a map! But they dropped the $85 anyway. |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 22, 2024 18:44:02 GMT
I agree that they wont be banking on Eze money, but we've banked a bit of dosh. Armstrong. Increased media rights deal. Willock off the wage bill. Position in FFP cycle favourable relatively speaking, which doesn't give us anything except a little more leeway in the market place. It also sounds like we've picked up sponsorship for everything including the tea lady, and there maybe increased season ticket sales to chuck in. And I did my part in the superstore this summer LOL! But on that note, it must be nice to be some of the "bigger" clubs who get to rake it in on jersey sales alone. There are so many ManU, Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, Barcelona, Bayern etc. jerseys being worn here in the states, and most of those folks could not even point to any of those places on a map! But they dropped the $85 anyway. americans are weird. love the underdogs but will always gravitate towards the best teams regardless. that being said i did meet an american QPR supporting family a few years ago at the ground back when i used to get the train in (they needed directions so i walked with them there). dad was a houston dynamo fan and his favourite player was geoff cameron so he kept an eye on his career. son took a liking to football and started supporting QPR due to geoff cameron lol, really sweet kid though who knew everything about our clubs history and was excitedly rattling off facts about the club to me at an endless rate! when the family visited london the son demanded that they go to a QPR game so there they were for a midweek game against swansea. nice family. |
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Post by The General on Aug 22, 2024 19:17:21 GMT
Think we actually have something that has been
missing for a long long time
Ambition
Both Marti and Christian have this and I’m loving it
For a change I think give it a few games we will
suprise a few in the division
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Post by leehawkins on Aug 27, 2024 20:02:19 GMT
Ok
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Post by acricketer on Aug 27, 2024 20:04:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2024 21:15:01 GMT
Some development players are close to making it but in the end do not. Parents blame Nourry or Marti or anyone but it’s a hard life. |
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Post by leehawkins on Aug 27, 2024 22:50:01 GMT
Not yet
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 28, 2024 7:11:08 GMT
Be careful
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Post by jfrabbit on Sept 4, 2024 20:45:06 GMT
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Post by Rangers77 on Sept 4, 2024 21:51:56 GMT
Adult in the room. An anti Les. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Sept 5, 2024 4:45:16 GMT
Speaks very well. Time and patience are required, that's for sure.
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Post by surreychad on Sept 5, 2024 6:58:36 GMT
I rrally like this bloke, diesnt smell like the same Bull we used to get from the other bloke
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Post by alanwycombe on Sept 5, 2024 8:04:04 GMT
Definitely sounds competent enough, let’s see how it pans out. The £25m a year loss is still worrying given our ‘valuable’ players are still here and Eze hasn’t moved. How long will this guy be here if he’s the real deal? Interesting comments about our improved injury record and “rebuilding” the club. Nice reference to the fans. Covered all bases without saying too much.
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