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Post by sparks on Jan 13, 2024 8:30:26 GMT
Looking back it’s clear that on Thursday some fans were made aware that a new CEO was going to be announced.
When I woke up this morning I can’t help but feel like I should check my belongings and pockets to see if I lost something or had it stolen yesterday.
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Jan 13, 2024 10:03:00 GMT
Why? People have been screaming for change for months, if not years. It’s often said, “Be careful what you wish for…” - and now we have it. Could be an absolute disaster, or it could be brilliant. Eff all we can do about it either way. I'm not wholly convinced, but am quite excited by it and slightly more optimistic about our prospects than I was yesterday. They're purposely getting us relegated, surely that must raise a bit of concern in you? How are they doing that? If there's no wiggle room in the ffp calculations,not much else they can do to raise money apart from selling players and there's no queue of clubs after our players. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 13, 2024 10:52:05 GMT
This is peak QPR - bringing in the data guru many of have been calling for these last few years - at the very point we don't even have the resources to recruit anyone on a free.... I raised this issue with Hoos nearly two years ago at a Supporters Consultation Committee meeting. Hal did the same more recently at the last fans forum. So perhaps he finally sat up and took notice.  |
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Post by James1979 on Jan 13, 2024 11:13:37 GMT
Yep the new man has confirmed it. We definitely aren't going to be active in this window. We're going down unless there's some sort of miracle. Massive, reckless gamble. Shameful if true. It’s not shameful. Were are clearly very close to breaching FFP. That’s basically what Hoos and now new guy are saying. “Decisions over last 3 years have meant…..” FFP concerns. What are the owners, CEO and Marti supposed to do? |
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Post by James1979 on Jan 13, 2024 11:18:31 GMT
Genuinely puzzled by some of the responses here, including from posters I like and respect. Do you really think it is a choice? Its obviously that they can't. You might not like that brute fact but that's clearly the reason. I get your point but there are free agents out there who don’t require a fee. Yes they need wages obviously but if we can’t get in a free transfer to help us we are in the mud. Big time. It must be precarious otherwise I’m sure we would. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 13, 2024 11:34:08 GMT
They're purposely getting us relegated, surely that must raise a bit of concern in you? How are they doing that? If there's no wiggle room in the ffp calculations,not much else they can do to raise money apart from selling players and there's no queue of clubs after our players. exactly. if they wanted go down why not just keep Ainsworth? Why incur the cost of paying of Ainsworth and Dobson when they were going the relegation intention perfectly and bring in more cost in Marti and calm Makes zero sense and is a total load of shite. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 11:34:30 GMT
I get your point but there are free agents out there who don’t require a fee. Yes they need wages obviously but if we can’t get in a free transfer to help us we are in the mud. Big time. It must be precarious otherwise I’m sure we would. Ask yourself who put us in the position we are in? Not the fans. Not the players many have said we are not good enough. Oh wait could it be the board along with those who have suddenly jumped ship. Its obvious really. We appoint Marti who looks/looked promising. However yes you get a new manager bounce,that is gone and when the rot is set in it appears again. We here nothing for a while then suddenly we get a new CEO who has never held the position before. Why come here,what promises have been made if it goes pear shaped,brown envelope time? The same can be said for Marti what promises have been made,why would he come here,brown envelope time? Nobody knows 100% but i dont trust this lot and i am a little confused why some of you chaps do. Unbelieveable,out of love,loyalty,rose tinted glasses or just plain blindness. This lot are very good at polishing turds on the money front but sadly hopelees on football. The one real asset is the Loftus Rd the land. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 11:39:09 GMT
How are they doing that? If there's no wiggle room in the ffp calculations,not much else they can do to raise money apart from selling players and there's no queue of clubs after our players. exactly. if they wanted go down why not just keep Ainsworth? Why incur the cost of paying of Ainsworth and Dobson when they were going the relegation intention perfectly and bring in more cost in Marti and calm Makes zero sense and is a total load of shite. To appease the fans for a while because it was getting a bit hot. These people will do what it takes to achieve their goal,the idea they care has long departed for me. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 11:41:32 GMT
When and if this happens they have the perfect excuse.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 13, 2024 11:42:48 GMT
What is the actual penalty of breaching FFP.
Surely part of the decision making process has to be the impact of going down versus the impact of breach penalty.
For me if the penalty is transfer embargo next season I would be tempted to do transfer business this window to carry you through next season in the hope you go up. That’s a gamble and massive risk but something they should have been weighing up.
On the counter if points deduction this season is the penalty that defo sends us down so I can see why they would do everything to avoid it and hope we have enough to stay up and stay inline.
Only other pen is a fine, who pays that club or owners.
On the three year FFP ruling people saying it resets end of season, that surely can’t be right it must be a rolling three years not a fixed and start again or that makes it very easy for clubs to duck and dive.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 13, 2024 11:45:28 GMT
exactly. if they wanted go down why not just keep Ainsworth? Why incur the cost of paying of Ainsworth and Dobson when they were going the relegation intention perfectly and bring in more cost in Marti and calm Makes zero sense and is a total load of shite. To appease the fans for a while because it was getting a bit hot. These people will do what it takes to achieve their goal,the idea they care has long departed for me. afraid that makes no sense to me Bill. If we go down will it be there fault absolutely I can see that argument, is it however their intention and hope we go down as suggested no. Relegation will be consequence of there past poor decisions not their target at the start of the season. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 11:46:46 GMT
I understand its a rolling contract.
I may be wrong.
FFP is the key.
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 11:47:45 GMT
So their line/excuse is allthough lame Westy?
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 11:50:09 GMT
FFP
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Post by James1979 on Jan 13, 2024 11:53:39 GMT
It must be precarious otherwise I’m sure we would. Ask yourself who put us in the position we are in? Not the fans. Not the players many have said we are not good enough. Oh wait could it be the board along with those who have suddenly jumped ship. Its obvious really. We appoint Marti who looks/looked promising. However yes you get a new manager bounce,that is gone and when the rot is set in it appears again. We here nothing for a while then suddenly we get a new CEO who has never held the position before. Why come here,what promises have been made if it goes pear shaped,brown envelope time? The same can be said for Marti what promises have been made,why would he come here,brown envelope time? Nobody knows 100% but i dont trust this lot and i am a little confused why some of you chaps do. Unbelieveable,out of love,loyalty,rose tinted glasses or just plain blindness. This lot are very good at polishing turds on the money front but sadly hopelees on football. The one real asset is the Loftus Rd the land. Because Id rather look at these changes in positive light. If I think it’s all bullshit and they’re lieing to us and fooling us, it’s depressing. Let’s stay optimistic for as long as we can. We wanted change we have that. No Les, Hoos, Ainsworth and Ramsey. We’ve gone for younger and forward looking people. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 11:56:49 GMT
Ask yourself who put us in the position we are in? Not the fans. Not the players many have said we are not good enough. Oh wait could it be the board along with those who have suddenly jumped ship. Its obvious really. We appoint Marti who looks/looked promising. However yes you get a new manager bounce,that is gone and when the rot is set in it appears again. We here nothing for a while then suddenly we get a new CEO who has never held the position before. Why come here,what promises have been made if it goes pear shaped,brown envelope time? The same can be said for Marti what promises have been made,why would he come here,brown envelope time? Nobody knows 100% but i dont trust this lot and i am a little confused why some of you chaps do. Unbelieveable,out of love,loyalty,rose tinted glasses or just plain blindness. This lot are very good at polishing turds on the money front but sadly hopelees on football. The one real asset is the Loftus Rd the land. Because Id rather look at these changes in positive light. If I think it’s all bullshit and they’re lieing to us and fooling us, it’s depressing. Let’s stay optimistic for as long as we can. We wanted change we have that. No Les, Hoos, Ainsworth and Ramsey. We’ve gone for younger and forward looking people. James do you trust them? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 11:59:34 GMT
Ask yourself who put us in the position we are in? Not the fans. Not the players many have said we are not good enough. Oh wait could it be the board along with those who have suddenly jumped ship. Its obvious really. We appoint Marti who looks/looked promising. However yes you get a new manager bounce,that is gone and when the rot is set in it appears again. We here nothing for a while then suddenly we get a new CEO who has never held the position before. Why come here,what promises have been made if it goes pear shaped,brown envelope time? The same can be said for Marti what promises have been made,why would he come here,brown envelope time? Nobody knows 100% but i dont trust this lot and i am a little confused why some of you chaps do. Unbelieveable,out of love,loyalty,rose tinted glasses or just plain blindness. This lot are very good at polishing turds on the money front but sadly hopelees on football. The one real asset is the Loftus Rd the land. Because Id rather look at these changes in positive light. If I think it’s all bullshit and they’re lieing to us and fooling us, it’s depressing. Let’s stay optimistic for as long as we can. We wanted change we have that. No Les, Hoos, Ainsworth and Ramsey. We’ve gone for younger and forward looking people. Going younger comes with the risk that everything is based on theory, not experience. Forward thinking comes with the risk that we don't look to the past for guidance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 12:00:58 GMT
Because Id rather look at these changes in positive light. If I think it’s all bullshit and they’re lieing to us and fooling us, it’s depressing. Let’s stay optimistic for as long as we can. We wanted change we have that. No Les, Hoos, Ainsworth and Ramsey. We’ve gone for younger and forward looking people. James do you trust them? It wouldn't surprise me if we're put into administration on 2nd Feb if we haven't sold Chair and/or Willock... |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 12:01:16 GMT
I would go to the next supporters meeting but i would need someone to go with me to keep me calm.
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Post by James1979 on Jan 13, 2024 12:02:17 GMT
Because Id rather look at these changes in positive light. If I think it’s all bullshit and they’re lieing to us and fooling us, it’s depressing. Let’s stay optimistic for as long as we can. We wanted change we have that. No Les, Hoos, Ainsworth and Ramsey. We’ve gone for younger and forward looking people. James do you trust them? I always trust people until proved otherwise. Call me naive but just way I am. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 13, 2024 12:04:03 GMT
In the end - Ipswich went for a young unproven manager and look at how that went.
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 12:06:10 GMT
I always trust people until proved otherwise. Call me naive but just way I am. Fair enough,life experiences tend to form your trust. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 12:06:54 GMT
In the end - Ipswich went for a young unproven manager and look at how that went. [b Fair point,however this is QPR. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 12:26:24 GMT
If lofts rd is sold, we will protest and riot. Those cunts should not be given an easy ride Won't happen. People will give it large on message boards and social media but no protest will actually ever take place. Yes sign of the times? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 12:28:47 GMT
In the end - Ipswich went for a young unproven manager and look at how that went. Everyone is unproven until they are not... |
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Post by James1979 on Jan 13, 2024 12:31:09 GMT
Because Id rather look at these changes in positive light. If I think it’s all bullshit and they’re lieing to us and fooling us, it’s depressing. Let’s stay optimistic for as long as we can. We wanted change we have that. No Les, Hoos, Ainsworth and Ramsey. We’ve gone for younger and forward looking people. Going younger comes with the risk that everything is based on theory, not experience. Forward thinking comes with the risk that we don't look to the past for guidance. The past? I wouldn’t look too much into our past (unless you mean 90s and before) for guidance. We needed some fresh blood and fresh ideas. |
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Post by James1979 on Jan 13, 2024 12:32:19 GMT
I always trust people until proved otherwise. Call me naive but just way I am. Fair enough,life experiences tend to form your trust. For me it’s about giving benefit of doubt to people involved at my football club. I think we should all be like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 12:32:42 GMT
Going younger comes with the risk that everything is based on theory, not experience. Forward thinking comes with the risk that we don't look to the past for guidance. The past? I wouldn’t look too much into our past (unless you mean 90s and before) for guidance. We needed some fresh blood and fresh ideas. We're not the only reference point from the past 🙂 |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 13, 2024 12:36:20 GMT
Don’t think anyone is saying the board has been anything but utter shite - clearly our predicament is largely their fault (and a bit previous managers). But just because the board are useless doesn’t change the fact that the board as of today can’t do anything. Loads of fans were saying FFP isn’t a problem/ it’s reset etc and that was clearly utter bollocks. No wonder they have gone quiet on that point! Very easy running a football club from a message board with other peoples money. The fact we have already broken FFP and in a major way would also probably be a factor in the legal advice they probably took saying the EFL would now throw the book at us if we went a penny over
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Post by James1979 on Jan 13, 2024 12:36:26 GMT
The past? I wouldn’t look too much into our past (unless you mean 90s and before) for guidance. We needed some fresh blood and fresh ideas. We're not the only reference point from the past 🙂 We need to form our own identity. I hope and think this is 1) playing good passing football and 2) identifying good young talent and developing that talent. I’d much rather we did that then build a team for now. |
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