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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 12:40:15 GMT
We're not the only reference point from the past 🙂 We need to form our own identity. I hope and think this is 1) playing good passing football and 2) identifying good young talent and developing that talent. I’d much rather we did that then build a team for now. We need to find our own image but the best QPR sides were always influenced by others. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 13:47:32 GMT
Don’t think anyone is saying the board has been anything but utter shite - clearly our predicament is largely their fault (and a bit previous managers). But just because the board are useless doesn’t change the fact that the board as of today can’t do anything. Loads of fans were saying FFP isn’t a problem/ it’s reset etc and that was clearly utter bollocks. No wonder they have gone quiet on that point! Very easy running a football club from a message board with other peoples money. The fact we have already broken FFP and in a major way would also probably be a factor in the legal advice they probably took saying the EFL would now throw the book at us if we went a penny over If i am correct FFP is irrelevant as we may be in league 1 or retain champiinship status. Either way the ultimate goal is money for Reuben a takeover by whoever for better or WORSE.Its collateral damage if we go down or no,please try to understand this. FFP just gives Reuben etc the ideal line to take,it wasnt our mismanagement,it wasnt our choice of players and it wasnt all the rubbish decisions we have made. It was FFP cause we had to stay in those guidelines. We all know different but the average supporter will accept that. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 13:49:06 GMT
We need to form our own identity. I hope and think this is 1) playing good passing football and 2) identifying good young talent and developing that talent. I’d much rather we did that then build a team for now. We need to find our own image but the best QPR sides were always influenced by others. We lost our image soul etc ages ago imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 13:50:59 GMT
We need to find our own image but the best QPR sides were always influenced by others. We lost our image soul etc ages ago imo. Totally agree. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 13:58:34 GMT
Fair enough,life experiences tend to form your trust. For me it’s about giving benefit of doubt to people involved at my football club. I think we should all be like that. Fair enough James. Giving the benefit of the doubt is very difficult for me. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 13, 2024 14:11:35 GMT
Don’t think anyone is saying the board has been anything but utter shite - clearly our predicament is largely their fault (and a bit previous managers). But just because the board are useless doesn’t change the fact that the board as of today can’t do anything. Loads of fans were saying FFP isn’t a problem/ it’s reset etc and that was clearly utter bollocks. No wonder they have gone quiet on that point! Very easy running a football club from a message board with other peoples money. The fact we have already broken FFP and in a major way would also probably be a factor in the legal advice they probably took saying the EFL would now throw the book at us if we went a penny over If i am correct FFP is irrelevant as we may be in league 1 or retain champiinship status. Either way the ultimate goal is money for Reuben a takeover by whoever for better or WORSE.Its collateral damage if we go down or no,please try to understand this. FFP just gives Reuben etc the ideal line to take,it wasnt our mismanagement,it wasnt our choice of players and it wasnt all the rubbish decisions we have made. It was FFP cause we had to stay in those guidelines. We all know different but the average supporter will accept that. why is it irrelevant? please try to understand the point Westy already explained - if we signed the players to stay up we would most likely get a massive points deduction (and fine) which would send us down. And if we signed the player and were relegated anyway what would have been the point? |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 14:47:27 GMT
If i am correct FFP is irrelevant as we may be in league 1 or retain champiinship status. Either way the ultimate goal is money for Reuben a takeover by whoever for better or WORSE.Its collateral damage if we go down or no,please try to understand this. FFP just gives Reuben etc the ideal line to take,it wasnt our mismanagement,it wasnt our choice of players and it wasnt all the rubbish decisions we have made. It was FFP cause we had to stay in those guidelines. We all know different but the average supporter will accept that. why is it irrelevant? please try to understand the point Westy already explained - if we signed the players to stay up we would most likely get a massive points deduction (and fine) which would send us down. And if we signed the player and were relegated anyway what would have been the point? Its about the money,come on keep up |
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Post by hal9thou on Jan 13, 2024 15:55:04 GMT
why is it irrelevant? please try to understand the point Westy already explained - if we signed the players to stay up we would most likely get a massive points deduction (and fine) which would send us down. And if we signed the player and were relegated anyway what would have been the point? Its about the money,come on keep up Stains is correct on this one. Had we been at the other end of the table, spent the money, gone up and managed to stay there, that would have been a different story albeit still a risky strategy. The real test for this board will come with relegation, because then they are not restrained by FFP considerations. Then we'll see if they are prepared to spend a few quid in the market. The risk with that one is less media rights money, less gate money etc which might make us less attractive to any potential investors. What is undeniably true is that we have a huge wage bill off the park which some of us have been urging the club to remedy for years. Had we set about doing that five years ago, we would have saved enough to at least invest something this January (including the increased income from rights, the Beale GR payoff etc etc.) Never mind player recruitment, our fiscal management has been abysmal. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 13, 2024 16:48:28 GMT
why is it irrelevant? please try to understand the point Westy already explained - if we signed the players to stay up we would most likely get a massive points deduction (and fine) which would send us down. And if we signed the player and were relegated anyway what would have been the point? Its about the money,come on keep up You do talk some shit bill |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 13, 2024 16:51:48 GMT
Its about the money,come on keep up Stains is correct on this one. Had we been at the other end of the table, spent the money, gone up and managed to stay there, that would have been a different story albeit still a risky strategy. The real test for this board will come with relegation, because then they are not restrained by FFP considerations. Then we'll see if they are prepared to spend a few quid in the market. The risk with that one is less media rights money, less gate money etc which might make us less attractive to any potential investors. What is undeniably true is that we have a huge wage bill off the park which some of us have been urging the club to remedy for years. Had we set about doing that five years ago, we would have saved enough to at least invest something this January (including the increased income from rights, the Beale GR payoff etc etc.) Never mind player recruitment, our fiscal management has been abysmal. Spot on Hal. The sad thing is that the first year we went down we halved the wage bill, then second year we halved it again. So there was real progress there (albeit from crazy levels of expenditure). But then the board got all excited and thought they were in with a chance of promotion (which in hindsight looks naive at best) and since then the wage bill has been going up and up, mainly on shit players too. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 13, 2024 17:15:48 GMT
If you cant or dont want to believe my shit as you put it fine.
If you read my theory in full you may just grasp it.
If you dont i will just have to assume respectfully its to complicated for you.
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Post by James1979 on Jan 14, 2024 8:06:55 GMT
If you cant or dont want to believe my shit as you put it fine. If you read my theory in full you may just grasp it. If you dont i will just have to assume respectfully its to complicated for you. If we went to League 1, the value of the club would drop significantly. So, if you believe owners are not spending due to greed rather than FFP, it doesn’t really make sense |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jan 14, 2024 11:31:59 GMT
If you cant or dont want to believe my shit as you put it fine. If you read my theory in full you may just grasp it. If you dont i will just have to assume respectfully its to complicated for you. If we went to League 1, the value of the club would drop significantly. So, if you believe owners are not spending due to greed rather than FFP, it doesn’t really make sense Indeed, it up there with Bill Gates created covid and Elvis is alive and well on the moon |
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Post by Bill on Jan 14, 2024 14:55:22 GMT
If we went to League 1, the value of the club would drop significantly. So, if you believe owners are not spending due to greed rather than FFP, it doesn’t really make sense Indeed, it up there with Bill Gates created covid and Elvis is alive and well on the moon You just crack on. |
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Post by MattyRangers on Jan 14, 2024 15:33:44 GMT
Geeza next to me today reckons this new CEO is 26 years old?!
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Post by West Acton on Jan 14, 2024 16:00:58 GMT
Geeza next to me today reckons this new CEO is 26 years old?! think that is correct |
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Post by MattyRangers on Jan 14, 2024 16:53:16 GMT
Fucking he’ll. I mean he’s clearly a clever cookie but having a CEO that young is a risky move ain’t it?
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Post by Corbray on Jan 14, 2024 16:55:02 GMT
Fucking he’ll. I mean he’s clearly a clever cookie but having a CEO that young is a risky move ain’t it? could be risky or a brilliant move. he's clearly got something about him given he's climbed the ranks so fast and he came across as very intelligent and mature in his interview. he might have a wealth of new ideas and a different outlook, who knows. |
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Post by MattyRangers on Jan 14, 2024 16:57:07 GMT
Fucking he’ll. I mean he’s clearly a clever cookie but having a CEO that young is a risky move ain’t it? could be risky or a brilliant move. he's clearly got something about him given he's climbed the ranks so fast and he came across as very intelligent and mature in his interview. he might have a wealth of new ideas and a different outlook, who knows. Yea I guess but there’s certain roles you need more behind you than some polished interview skills and grand plans. Surely CEO you need some level of life experience. The meetings / negotiations they’re holding you want somebody with some gravitas? Hopefully it’s a great acquisition and such concerns are unfounded anyway. Surely can’t be worse than the previous …. lol |
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Post by Corbray on Jan 14, 2024 17:04:01 GMT
could be risky or a brilliant move. he's clearly got something about him given he's climbed the ranks so fast and he came across as very intelligent and mature in his interview. he might have a wealth of new ideas and a different outlook, who knows. Yea I guess but there’s certain roles you need more behind you than some polished interview skills and grand plans. Surely CEO you need some level of life experience. The meetings / negotiations they’re holding you want somebody with some gravitas? Hopefully it’s a great acquisition and such concerns are unfounded anyway. Surely can’t be worse than the previous …. lol he was working with some of the biggest clubs in europe so he must have picked up how to negotiate and the like. on face value i'd rather have him as our chairman than some trust fund kid who's daddy bought them a club to play around with as at least nourry has had to work his way up. but like you said, surely can't be worse than the previous regime lol. i feel like our new CEO is an incredibly ambitious person though who views us as a stepping stone. i've never heard of someone so young taking on such a high profile and high pressure job. if he was actually involved in the marti appointment then he's already off to a good start lol |
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Post by sparks on Jan 14, 2024 17:26:45 GMT
Ferdinand role as DOF was roundly criticised and rightly so due to his previous lack of hands on experience, yet we are doing similar with a completely unknown individual.
Only our incredibly inept owners can be repeatedly fleeced and look so stupid with their appointments.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 14, 2024 18:05:23 GMT
Ferdinand role as DOF was roundly criticised and rightly so due to his previous lack of hands on experience, yet we are doing similar with a completely unknown individual. Only our incredibly inept owners can be repeatedly fleeced and look so stupid with their appointments. Are we though? If this new guy is up there on all the new tech and ideas he must be an improvement? |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 14, 2024 18:08:20 GMT
Is there a prize for the being the worst run club in England...?
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Post by Bill on Jan 14, 2024 18:20:40 GMT
Ferdinand role as DOF was roundly criticised and rightly so due to his previous lack of hands on experience, yet we are doing similar with a completely unknown individual. Only our incredibly inept owners can be repeatedly fleeced and look so stupid with their appointments. Are we though? If this new guy is up there on all the new tech and ideas he must be an improvement? Just find the timing weird. Will either sink or swim or another novice like LF. |
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Post by Bill on Jan 14, 2024 18:24:16 GMT
Yea I guess but there’s certain roles you need more behind you than some polished interview skills and grand plans. Surely CEO you need some level of life experience. The meetings / negotiations they’re holding you want somebody with some gravitas? Hopefully it’s a great acquisition and such concerns are unfounded anyway. Surely can’t be worse than the previous …. lol he was working with some of the biggest clubs in europe so he must have picked up how to negotiate and the like. on face value i'd rather have him as our chairman than some trust fund kid who's daddy bought them a club to play around with as at least nourry has had to work his way up. but like you said, surely can't be worse than the previous regime lol. i feel like our new CEO is an incredibly ambitious person though who views us as a stepping stone. i've never heard of someone so young taking on such a high profile and high pressure job. if he was actually involved in the marti appointment then he's already off to a good start lol Hasnt proved anything in the role he has been employed for,strange appt for me,timing is strange. |
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Post by sparks on Jan 14, 2024 18:46:51 GMT
Ferdinand role as DOF was roundly criticised and rightly so due to his previous lack of hands on experience, yet we are doing similar with a completely unknown individual. Only our incredibly inept owners can be repeatedly fleeced and look so stupid with their appointments. Are we though? If this new guy is up there on all the new tech and ideas he must be an improvement? The argument he must be an improvement is all ifs and buts with nothing concrete to back it up Alan? Do you really see Real Madrid, Roma and all these other successful clubs seeking the help of the Nourry and the company that he runs with less than 10 employees? How many coaches or managers do you hear that contact clubs like those already mentioned and ask to be allowed access to see how things operate, I’m guessing that’s probably the sum of his work experience. It seems to me easy to jump on the bandwagon of new tech and stats rather than focus on having good experienced coaches and scouts as a good baseline. Maybe I’m old but I don’t want kids as an academy director with next to no coaching experience such as Alex Carroll and a new CEO/DOF like Nourry with no previous hands on experience in the role. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 14, 2024 18:47:30 GMT
LF had precisely zero experience
This guy has worked with Real Madrid, Roma and Athletic Bilbao.
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Post by sparks on Jan 14, 2024 19:04:04 GMT
LF had precisely zero experience This guy has worked with Real Madrid, Roma and Athletic Bilbao. Do we actually know what he did there though Stan? Marti doesn’t seem entirely convinced by Nourry yet reading Dan Evans article. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 14, 2024 20:11:01 GMT
LF had precisely zero experience This guy has worked with Real Madrid, Roma and Athletic Bilbao. Marti doesn’t seem entirely convinced by Nourry yet reading Dan Evans article. Not in any great detail. I'd be interested to learn more about it On the point of his age, I agree with Marti's comments on that. Richard Thompson was even younger (24) when he became QPR owner. Some rated him, others didn't. |
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Post by Corbray on Jan 14, 2024 21:22:54 GMT
he was working with some of the biggest clubs in europe so he must have picked up how to negotiate and the like. on face value i'd rather have him as our chairman than some trust fund kid who's daddy bought them a club to play around with as at least nourry has had to work his way up. but like you said, surely can't be worse than the previous regime lol. i feel like our new CEO is an incredibly ambitious person though who views us as a stepping stone. i've never heard of someone so young taking on such a high profile and high pressure job. if he was actually involved in the marti appointment then he's already off to a good start lol Hasnt proved anything in the role he has been employed for,strange appt for me,timing is strange. is a very strange and left field appointment and one that makes me think that the board won't be selling up anytime soon. otherwise you'd think that they'd have simply asked hoos to stay on until a buyer is found. my only guess is nourry made such a good show of himself during his attatchment to the club that they had no choice but to offer him the CEO role. i like that he's a data driven football guy but there's more to being a CEO than just understanding the product. for all hoos' failings he was a numbers guy and knew how to keep his head above water. |
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