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Post by acricketer on Jul 23, 2024 13:56:42 GMT
Picked this up from Not606:
According to L’Equipe, Championship’s side Queens Park Rangers could have the edge on Varane’s deal, as they have submitted a €1.2M proposal to Gijon, with bonuses and a future sale percentage. Having to deal with a restricted budget due to the TV rights turmoil and their relegation to Ligue 2, Metz could have difficulties challenging QPR’s offer.
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Jul 23, 2024 14:15:45 GMT
The Varane story keeps running. QPR having to outbid Metz it seems. Has anyone on here actually seen him play?
Seems expensive for his experience to date, only 22 years old, starting 5 times in a relegated side.
But we obviously like him, so I will keep the faith!
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Post by James1979 on Jul 23, 2024 14:31:26 GMT
The Varane story keeps running. QPR having to outbid Metz it seems. Has anyone on here actually seen him play? Seems expensive for his experience to date, only 22 years old, starting 5 times in a relegated side. But we obviously like him, so I will keep the faith! Shows real intent though. And I trust the current decision makers to make the right choices here. Theyve done brilliantly so far. |
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Jul 23, 2024 16:28:46 GMT
The Varane story keeps running. QPR having to outbid Metz it seems. Has anyone on here actually seen him play? Seems expensive for his experience to date, only 22 years old, starting 5 times in a relegated side. But we obviously like him, so I will keep the faith! Shows real intent though. And I trust the current decision makers to make the right choices here. Theyve done brilliantly so far. From the managers advice to him and reading between the lines … He’s a ball winning midfielder with all the tools to push on and play at a higher level. A manager fighting relegation the previous season would probably stick with experience and not twist with a young player in the engine room and now could be the perfect time to buy! Here’s hoping 🤞🏻 |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 23, 2024 17:11:38 GMT
Two minds about this. Suspect none of us have seen him play. Wonder if we would be quite so enthusiastic but for his last name. We had an amazing win percentage with Haydon who comes with a lot of experience and I assume it is one or the other. But Coleback getting on so maybe we want to balance it with a younger player. On a positive, Varane is young so huge development and sell on potential. And he MIGHT be able to turn and break the lines which our defensive mids really struggled with last season.
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Post by hubble on Jul 23, 2024 19:34:41 GMT
Here's a great analysis of Varane. I gotta say, I like the look of him. A younger, more dynamic version of Isaac Hayden, who fits perfectly into Marti's favoured 4-1-4-1 system.
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Post by hubble on Jul 23, 2024 19:36:32 GMT
Here's how Sam on Twitter sees us lining up assuming Varane joins us.
I love the look of that team, although I'd have Santos on the right wing, not Smyth.
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Post by Corbray on Jul 23, 2024 19:46:04 GMT
by all accounts varane is very highly rated so it is a step in the right direction. seems like a replacement for hayden and someone to fit into our team seemlessly and tbh i'd rather bring in a young player with potential than hayden who while good has had his injury issues and likely high wage demands.
club must have seen something very good in varane as he's turning out to be the story of the summer as we just won't give up on him lol.
one thing i have read about gijon is that they love their big sell on fees so we have to bare that in mind.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 23, 2024 19:54:49 GMT
by all accounts varane is very highly rated so it is a step in the right direction. seems like a replacement for hayden and someone to fit into our team seemlessly and tbh i'd rather bring in a young player with potential than hayden who while good has had his injury issues and likely high wage demands. club must have seen something very good in varane as he's turning out to be the story of the summer as we just won't give up on him lol. one thing i have read about gijon is that they love their big sell on fees so we have to bare that in mind. Given that Hayden is apparently liking so much of our media content he presumably thinks a deal is possible. But it does seem like one of those wage stand offs: his agent pushing for more elsewhere perhaps with a view to coming to us late in window if no other deal emerges. Problem then is he misses pre season. Re a sell on clause, arguably if it allows us to buy a player we otherwise couldn’t afford, why not? If we buy for a million and sell for 10 million, even with a 25% sell on clause, that’s still a 6.5m profit. All conjecture on my part |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jul 23, 2024 20:06:50 GMT
Sell on clauses are encouraging too. If one is being spoken of/negotiated it does suggest a good buy in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2024 9:13:47 GMT
I've seen one very short clip of Varane and read a couple of real newspaper match reports - not twitters.
According to what I have seen /read he is a very solid in defence winning and retaining the ball rather than hoofing into the stands or giving away a foul. He is good on the ball, an accurate and intelligent passer and good going forward and behind a front man. Sounds the perfect match end to end player and a lot younger than Hayden. He should fit straight into the team once he has learnt Marti's requirements.
His coach says another season and he will be ready for the PL - maybe a tactic to keep him - but this makes me think that at his age if he is really that good a wizz kid he would already be on the books and playing for a good French or Spanish PL team. On the other hand if his coach is right and we can pick him up for 3 million or so we could get a couple of good seasons out of him and sell him at 5 or 10 times what we paid for him.
No real proof of any of that and it may well be that there is more than a bit of game playing to try to get the price up. Buying lower with a sell on clause would be our best option imo as we are covered both ways. If he went to Metz he would be going to a league generally weaker than the Championship and not really a step forward in his career and if we cannot outbid Metz we are struggling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2024 12:11:11 GMT
I've seen one very short clip of Varane and read a couple of real newspaper match reports - not twitters. According to what I have seen /read he is a very solid in defence winning and retaining the ball rather than hoofing into the stands or giving away a foul. He is good on the ball, an accurate and intelligent passer and good going forward and behind a front man. Sounds the perfect match end to end player and a lot younger than Hayden. He should fit straight into the team once he has learnt Marti's requirements. His coach says another season and he will be ready for the PL - maybe a tactic to keep him - but this makes me think that at his age if he is really that good a wizz kid he would already be on the books and playing for a good French or Spanish PL team. On the other hand if his coach is right and we can pick him up for 3 million or so we could get a couple of good seasons out of him and sell him at 5 or 10 times what we paid for him. No real proof of any of that and it may well be that there is more than a bit of game playing to try to get the price up. Buying lower with a sell on clause would be our best option imo as we are covered both ways. If he went to Metz he would be going to a league generally weaker than the Championship and not really a step forward in his career and if we cannot outbid Metz we are struggling. Agree with most of this but can't see us being able to spend anything like 3m up front without Eze moving (or at the very least Dykes). We must have already spent a lot (more than we got for Armstrong) on Cellar. I know FFP pressures have eased this year and we have got quite a lot of dead wood off the wage bill but we can't go crazy as FFP is calculated in a three year cycle and we need to avoid finding ourselves in the same financial fix we were last year. For context our star signing last window was Paul Smyth from Orient! Agreed and probably my fault for stating 3 million which is more of a clickbait number coming out of Spain. More reliable sources in France say we have bid 1.2 million (and sorry I think in euro) plus add ons but may have to increase that a bit. Having said that our FFP situation is now far better than this time last year as the big loss of 3 years ago is now out of the equation so we have more room to move. Plus if we are getting these younger players on longer term contracts their cost is amortised over a longer period so says 2 million player on a 4 year contract is down to 500k per season. We are only a couple of players short of being a reasonable force in the championship so using a bit of spending power sensibly to complete the picture will put us on a good footing to grow over the next few seasons. |
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Jul 24, 2024 12:25:01 GMT
Yeah, agree with that.
I read that the 3 year figure was increased to £42m over 3 years (£14m per year) to cover inflation, but cannot find a link now. Perhaps I am going mad and imagined it.. but if so, it all helps.
Our priority seems to be Varane and I think Hayden as well. Perhaps Marti thinks that Colback cannot be trusted. He does a job for the team, but he is a card waiting to happen, and once booked deprives Marti of options.
Not sure we have addressed the lack of pace in the team as yet (unless Daniel Bennie is part of the solution), but I suspect that after Varane and possibly Hayden, we move on to like for like changes. Paal, Dykes and Clarke-Salter if they go will need to be replaced. If the right bids not received then we go with what we have.
May take a time for all these changes to settle though, patience may be required for a very long season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 7:59:35 GMT
Varane in, Dykes out to rangers would be a good move.
Probably close to a wash on the transfer fees if we can get rangers to give us 2 million for Dykes. Surprised they would buy anyone from us after conning them into giving us 1.5million for Mr Bean.
Chair not featured in any pre-season games yet unless I missed it. Bad back apparently - or avoiding injury for a move?
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Post by Hertfordshire Ranger on Jul 27, 2024 8:13:42 GMT
Varane in, Dykes out to rangers would be a good move. Probably close to a wash on the transfer fees if we can get rangers to give us 2 million for Dykes. Surprised they would buy anyone from us after conning them into giving us 1.5million for Mr Bean. Chair not featured in any pre-season games yet unless I missed it. Bad back apparently - or avoiding injury for a move? The Varane transfer is drawn out. I was surprised to read that Colback is 35 in October, I knew he was 'senior' but at 35, how many starts will he get this season? So I guess that Varane is a pretty important need for the spine of the team. Presumably, Celar will get some game time today at Reading. Be interesting to see if Paal, Dykes and Chair feature today. Find it hard to take the Dykes to Rangers tale seriously. It reads like clickbait, and probably is clickbait. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 10:42:56 GMT
Varane in, Dykes out to rangers would be a good move. Probably close to a wash on the transfer fees if we can get rangers to give us 2 million for Dykes. Surprised they would buy anyone from us after conning them into giving us 1.5million for Mr Bean. Chair not featured in any pre-season games yet unless I missed it. Bad back apparently - or avoiding injury for a move? The Varane transfer is drawn out. I was surprised to read that Colback is 35 in October, I knew he was 'senior' but at 35, how many starts will he get this season? So I guess that Varane is a pretty important need for the spine of the team. Presumably, Celar will get some game time today at Reading. Be interesting to see if Paal, Dykes and Chair feature today. Find it hard to take the Dykes to Rangers tale seriously. It reads like clickbait, and probably is clickbait. Personal opinion only but I would say the Varane deal is the most likely to go through probably closely followed by Paal. I like Paal and would not like to see him go but his contract situation will be the deciding factor. If he does not want to extend we will cash in but I think that weakens the squad. Chair I think will stay especially with the new players we are adding which will help him. Dykes to rangers I'm 50/50 on. The Scottish fans seem to like him, he has played up there before and against weaker defences than the Championship could get a few goals. Then with Cantwell wanting out they will be looking for a replacement with not too much cash to spend. Of course the whole lot could be clickbait and still a month of the window to go so who knows. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 29, 2024 16:37:38 GMT
wolves and palace both being linked with JCS again. varane looks to be almost done too. Where did you read about Varane Corbay? Good news if so. I read we were shifting our attentions to the Korean lad as he was cheaper? |
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Post by The General on Jul 29, 2024 18:22:55 GMT
Varane has a great name but can he play
Can he play on hard pitches
Only the old uns will understand that lol
Does anyone know if he s a catch
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Post by James1979 on Jul 29, 2024 20:12:14 GMT
For us these days the reported sum is a chunky fee. if Hayden doesn’t come, guessing Varane slots into the first team and that’s a lot of expectation on a player who has only started a tiny number of matches. We must really see something in him. Re Lakarche, must now assume club looking to off-load Cannon. Dunne seems to be first choice now and Marti says Santos signed as right back - and a USA international is not going to want to be third choice. Think it’s more that at 22, if he develops, we should Make a profit. With Hayden, doesn’t matter how he does, we’re unlikely to get money for him. |
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Post by qprcelona on Jul 30, 2024 8:23:10 GMT
Varane looks technically decent from the few clips I've seen of him, which makes a huge difference from our current "combative" midfielders who struggle to play through the lines at times.
Given the reported £1.2m fee, it's safe to assume that his wages are a fraction of Hayden's, making the transfer fee viable.
Even if he's on £15k PW, over 3 years (including the fee) we're saving £1.8m compared with Hayden's apparent £35k PW demands. That's also based on the assumption we were to get Hayden for free, with no sign-on bonus, which is unlikely.
This, plus the resale potential value (even if sold at a loss) and the "big name" on the back of the shirt would appear to make the move quite an astute one on the business side.
He's unconventional, but there's a reason that Real Madrid, Barcelona etc are still paying Nourry for all his previous work!
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Post by Hitman34 on Jul 31, 2024 20:04:33 GMT
I dont do the transfers mate 🤣 not enough character space unfortunately gutted. Are there any rumours circulating on X about who is going to step into the sig line hotseat? Apparently, varane is on the plane 😁 |
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Post by hubble on Aug 1, 2024 7:03:58 GMT
gutted. Are there any rumours circulating on X about who is going to step into the sig line hotseat? Apparently, varane is on the plane 😁 Well, varane in Spain does stay mainly on the plane.
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Post by Hitman34 on Aug 2, 2024 10:03:07 GMT
According to itk (not Jim) varane having medical today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2024 13:57:14 GMT
have to remember that we still have 4 weeks of the window left. we've made some good signings so far, yes we need more but what's the point in spending big when we don't know how much money we have to play with? Exactly this. Not sure why fans would be upset about letting our third choice left back go on loan? As you say season hasn’t even started. Am sure Marti and Christian would love to be like Chelsea and go out and buy a marque player at the start of the window but with where we have been in the financial food chain the last decade we have to wait for cast offs from the big boys, and get peripheral players off the books whenever the chance emerges. In better news being reported Varane to be signing today:
www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-varane-deal-0208244 minutes and counting ........ |
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Post by awin on Aug 3, 2024 16:09:50 GMT
With the club not announcing Varane today I'm starting to wonder if he failed the medical.
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Post by Corbray on Aug 3, 2024 19:08:55 GMT
varane all but confirmed as the club put up a video of him at the match today. guess it will be officially announced any minute now.
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Post by coneysboots on Aug 3, 2024 19:43:22 GMT
Unless he’s thought WTF 😬
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Post by Hitman34 on Aug 3, 2024 19:53:44 GMT
varane all but confirmed as the club put up a video of him at the match today. guess it will be officially announced any minute now. Can you link the video please, mate 👍🏻 |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 3, 2024 20:20:01 GMT
varane all but confirmed as the club put up a video of him at the match today. guess it will be officially announced any minute now. Can you link the video please, mate 👍🏻 |
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Post by 1qprdk on Aug 3, 2024 20:45:19 GMT
Can you link the video please, mate 👍🏻 Should be announced tomorrow then. Otherwise it would be a very silly move posting that video. |
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