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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 19, 2019 17:32:25 GMT
Remember Tom Hitchcock? He scored that one goal that one time with an open goal from a yard out and all of a sudden everyone thought he was a world beater. What happened to him?
Not being funny but that's, what, 2 managers and a couple of caretakers who haven't seen anything in Smyth that would convince them to play him in the first team. Can't all be wrong can they?
Manager(s) knows best imo.
I like Smyth and hope he does break through, but me, I'd put my trust in the managers over disgruntled fans.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 19, 2019 17:38:29 GMT
Not saying I disagree with you Tarbs. Check my last caveat! 😉
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Post by acricketer on Jul 19, 2019 17:40:53 GMT
Oteh still around though. Was he/ is he ahead of Smyth?
Anyway, 2 weeks till Stoke. Plenty of time.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 19, 2019 17:45:45 GMT
Oteh still around though. Was he/ is he ahead of Smyth?Anyway, 2 weeks till Stoke. Plenty of time. Indeed. Kind of the point I was attempting to make. With the usual caveat applying  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 18:14:35 GMT
Remember Tom Hitchcock? He scored that one goal that one time with an open goal from a yard out and all of a sudden everyone thought he was a world beater. What happened to him? Not being funny but that's, what, 2 managers and a couple of caretakers who haven't seen anything in Smyth that would convince them to play him in the first team. Can't all be wrong can they? Manager(s) knows best imo. I like Smyth and hope he does break through, but me, I'd put my trust in the managers over disgruntled fans. Not comparable to Hitchcock at all. Smyth showed in plenty of games under Ollie that he had more than just the odd goal about him. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 19, 2019 18:23:41 GMT
Remember Tom Hitchcock? He scored that one goal that one time with an open goal from a yard out and all of a sudden everyone thought he was a world beater. What happened to him? Not being funny but that's, what, 2 managers and a couple of caretakers who haven't seen anything in Smyth that would convince them to play him in the first team. Can't all be wrong can they? Manager(s) knows best imo. I like Smyth and hope he does break through, but me, I'd put my trust in the managers over disgruntled fans. Not comparable to Hitchcock at all. Smyth showed in plenty of games under Ollie that he had more than just the odd goal about him. I'm not comparing the two, this thread just made me think of Hitchcock. Probably should've made that clearer 😂 How many games did Smyth play under Ollie? Because I can remember maybe 3. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 18:30:48 GMT
Not comparable to Hitchcock at all. Smyth showed in plenty of games under Ollie that he had more than just the odd goal about him. I'm not comparing the two, this thread just made me think of Hitchcock. Probably should've made that clearer 😂 How many games did Smyth play under Ollie? Because I can remember maybe 3. Plenty. Won one of the end of season awards from what I can remember, despite coming into the side halfway through the season. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 19, 2019 18:48:00 GMT
8 starts and 8 sub appearances apparently, I just checked. Gotta admit, I hadn't remembered that many games he'd been involved in.
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Post by Shania on Jul 19, 2019 19:08:56 GMT
he's also extremely lightweight. he is still a bit too leightweight. If this is the issue, he needs to spend more time in the gym bulking up rather than going on loan again. Personally I think he did enough under Ollie to prove he's worth another chance in and around the 1st team, especially given our current dearth of strikers. He certainly impressed more than Oteh for the first team, yet he's still being given chances, so why not Smyth. But, as usual, the manager must know best. See Ginger Ninjas post, and to my recollection Smyth didn`t perform all that apart from his first match for us, did he really? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 19:13:47 GMT
If this is the issue, he needs to spend more time in the gym bulking up rather than going on loan again. Personally I think he did enough under Ollie to prove he's worth another chance in and around the 1st team, especially given our current dearth of strikers. He certainly impressed more than Oteh for the first team, yet he's still being given chances, so why not Smyth. But, as usual, the manager must know best. See Ginger Ninjas post, and to my recollection Smyth didn`t perform all that apart from his first match for us, did he really? Superb against Sheffield Wednesday in a midweek game 👍 |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 19, 2019 19:49:19 GMT
I’m going be in minority saying this but this is good move for him and for us long term as he’s not ready in my view for full season in championship
This is third manager who has not played him, Ollie gave him his head under pressure of the sack, but he never played much under him, same McLaren and now Warburton
Huge potential and his pace is his main asset but now he needs learn the game and how he can use that pace out the limelight of the club
I say this now, if we kept him this season and he never scored the goals he would be slaughtered by the fans as we have no patients, just like Eze got slated, Furlong gets slated and Oteh is getting singled out after two pre season games.
Good move for both parties long term
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Post by hubble on Jul 19, 2019 19:55:40 GMT
You could be right Wests - I think the issue here is that - to date - we have not brought in a single striker, despite Warbs protestations that we will do so. So loaning him out now seems a tad premature. There are only two weeks to the start of the season, so I think we're all feeling the pressure of the situation. Perhaps Warbs and co have it all in hand, in which case our concerns will be reconciled to history, but right now, we're in the dark.
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Post by West Acton on Jul 19, 2019 19:58:02 GMT
Hubs if we get two strikers in that score goals and no one will give a toss
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Post by hubble on Jul 19, 2019 20:02:34 GMT
You're absolutely right mate. The only caveat is the word 'if'.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jul 19, 2019 20:18:13 GMT
I’m going be in minority saying this but this is good move for him and for us long term as he’s not ready in my view for full season in championship This is third manager who has not played him, Ollie gave him his head under pressure of the sack, but he never played much under him, same McLaren and now Warburton Huge potential and his pace is his main asset but now he needs learn the game and how he can use that pace out the limelight of the club I say this now, if we kept him this season and he never scored the goals he would be slaughtered by the fans as we have no patients, just like Eze got slated, Furlong gets slated and Oteh is getting singled out after two pre season games. Good move for both parties long term I completely agree West 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 20:38:29 GMT
Two strikers in? We need three as we cannot go into a season with 2 strikers as Oteh is nowhere near good enough to even be on the bench. Look at the goals lost out of the team from last season and that itself tells you we are woefully short up front.
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Post by West Acton on Jul 19, 2019 20:47:22 GMT
Three is fair enough 73
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 21:01:57 GMT
Still think letting Smith go is going to prove to be a poor decision come the end of season even if he was a plan b sub. Have to say where strikers are concerned not sure what the plan is? Little pacey Smyth gone on loan and the less mobile Smith gone to Millwall.
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 19, 2019 21:08:52 GMT
Agree with Westy.
Let's face facts, the lad had a stormer of a debut. 15 games since then (and I'm amazed its 15 by the way, guess I stopped watching towards the end of Ollie's tenure), 1 goal and 1 assist.
Why are we acting liked we've loaned out a seasoned Championship player that we can't function without?
Bit of patience is required here. We'll get some strikers in. And if Smyth starts banging the goals in we can call him back in January!
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Post by acricketer on Jul 19, 2019 21:55:14 GMT
I think we all have high expectations of young PS and are disappointed he isn't rising to that and the club see what we don't, i.e he's not quite ready.
If he was a "first name on the team sheet" this season I would be concerned.
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Post by Brian Wilson on Jul 19, 2019 22:17:18 GMT
It's hard to understand the point of the DOF position when every summer our strategy seems to change. This year it seems young loans from the prem is where we are looking for the magic ingredient (last year, we panicked and got loans in to save us).
Just the latest throw of the dice..might work...may not. We need stronger leadership. The DOF position is pointless if its more rule by committee. I don't trust in Warbs. I'll back him and hope for the best but there is nothing to suggest we are heading in the right direction. All too haphazard, hope for the best stuff.
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Post by acricketer on Jul 19, 2019 22:34:37 GMT
It's hard to understand the point of the DOF position when every summer our strategy seems to change. This year it seems young loans from the prem is where we are looking for the magic ingredient (last year, we panicked and got loans in to save us). Just the latest throw of the dice..might work...may not. We need stronger leadership. The DOF position is pointless if its more rule by committee. I don't trust in Warbs. I'll back him and hope for the best but there is nothing to suggest we are heading in the right direction. All too haphazard, hope for the best stuff. It all smells a bit like "I have a footballing philosophy and fingers crossed I can get it up and running in 10 weeks" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 22:49:25 GMT
I am slightly concerned that we well into pre season without the strikers needed to start the season off with. Surely the whole point is to play any loans in pre season for them to bed in and build partnerships on the pitch. One criticism that has been labelled at MW is his lack of a plan b
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Post by acricketer on Jul 19, 2019 23:32:05 GMT
Plan A doesn't seem to be working yet either.
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Post by davieqpr on Jul 20, 2019 11:49:22 GMT
So another experienced Manager who doesn't think he is up to Championship football yet ,even after a pretty mediocre spell at Accrington Stanley. Yet some on here think he is the best thing since sliced bread.
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Post by Brian Wilson on Jul 20, 2019 12:01:40 GMT
So another experienced Manager who doesn't think he is up to Championship football yet ,even after a pretty mediocre spell at Accrington Stanley. Yet some on here think he is the best thing since sliced bread. He's no world beater but deserved a few preseason games to stake a claim. Oteh got 2 starts, Shodipo got time, Chair etc |
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Post by West Acton on Jul 21, 2019 7:56:16 GMT
Cracking start for the lad
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jul 23, 2019 0:14:45 GMT
I half expect Smyth to do an "Eze" and be recalled in January.
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Post by acricketer on Jul 23, 2019 0:33:41 GMT
Can you do that on a season long loan?
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 23, 2019 0:37:42 GMT
Can you do that on a season long loan? We have the option to recall in January, is my understanding. |
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