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Post by Tarbie on Jan 25, 2021 13:01:05 GMT
I'd have Smyth all day long over Kelman from what I've seen. Bring Smyth back into the fold to be used as an impact sub and send Kelman out to League 1 or League 2 for some first team experience.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 25, 2021 14:07:50 GMT
I'd have Smyth all day long over Kelman from what I've seen. 100%! Fans aren't privvy to what's seen on the training ground, but we do see WHERE IT COUNTS - ON THE PITCH. And in that respect Smythe has always impressed. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 25, 2021 14:43:18 GMT
They may play him wide instead of BOS? Played wide for Holloway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 14:45:28 GMT
Will the manager see that though.
Despite us having a reputation for playing youngsters how many has he actually brought into the side.
Willock ,Kakay and Nico have only been played because it’s been forced on him at various times.
Hate to sound negative about him again but I personally don’t think MW knows what a good player looks like.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 25, 2021 14:50:08 GMT
In his defence (yes, really😁) are our young players actually any good? Defence rests on that one point alone though😁
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Post by hal9thou on Jan 25, 2021 15:46:06 GMT
Hate to sound negative about him again but I personally don’t think MW knows what a good player looks like.
Funnily enough a newly available manager always played the youngsters down the road..... In fact he played more minutes with U21s on the park than any other manager in the league ..... just sayin  |
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Post by Rangers77 on Jan 25, 2021 15:54:20 GMT
Give the lad a go on a couple of games playing off Charlie. What's to lose? Nothing. Showed some glimpses when up with Matt Smith, scoring two great goals.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 25, 2021 16:30:20 GMT
Hate to sound negative about him again but I personally don’t think MW knows what a good player looks like.
Funnily enough a newly available manager always played the youngsters down the road..... In fact he played more minutes with U21s on the park than any other manager in the league ..... just sayin for no other reason that they had transfer embargo so had to use the kids. As soon as he could open the cheque book he did and now he’s without a job. He was a stop gap |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 25, 2021 17:51:34 GMT
I've liked Smyth every time he's played. Give him a go up front I say.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 25, 2021 18:05:22 GMT
Funnily enough a newly available manager always played the youngsters down the road..... In fact he played more minutes with U21s on the park than any other manager in the league ..... just sayin for no other reason that they had transfer embargo so had to use the kids. As soon as he could open the cheque book he did and now he’s without a job. He was a stop gap In fairness to Frank I doubt he signed any of them, but agree stop gap to get them through that period with supporters onside. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 18:08:08 GMT
So many people rate Paul Smythe (including me) but chances are MW and the DOF clearly don’t by letting his contract run down.
The Posh or Oxford will snap him up at end of the season and make money on him.
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Post by hal9thou on Jan 25, 2021 18:14:30 GMT
Funnily enough a newly available manager always played the youngsters down the road..... In fact he played more minutes with U21s on the park than any other manager in the league ..... just sayin for no other reason that they had transfer embargo so had to use the kids. As soon as he could open the cheque book he did and now he’s without a job. He was a stop gap
No manager at CFC these days opens the cheque book. He was told who was coming in and one of his problems was that when they lost a bit of form the imports downed tools. He did a decent job there.
On the other hand if you think he deserved the sack, then Warburton needs taking down pdq.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 25, 2021 18:19:05 GMT
for no other reason that they had transfer embargo so had to use the kids. As soon as he could open the cheque book he did and now he’s without a job. He was a stop gap
No manager at CFC these days opens the cheque book. He was told who was coming in and one of his problems was that when they lost a bit of form the imports downed tools. He did a decent job there.
On the other hand if you think he deserved the sack, then Warburton needs taking down pdq.
Of course 9th in prem doesn't deserve sack but this is Abramovich and a DOF system at a 'top' club - no place for an aspiring young manager. They've had better than Frank bite the dust. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 25, 2021 18:28:38 GMT
So many people rate Paul Smythe (including me) but chances are MW and the DOF clearly don’t by letting his contract run down. The Posh or Oxford will snap him up at end of the season and make money on him.Be absolutely criminal if that happened, but sadly I can see it happening!  |
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Post by 1973ranger on Jan 25, 2021 18:30:58 GMT
Young Smyth would be ideal for Charlie very direct and chucks the ball into the box.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 18:32:20 GMT
It would be another stick to beat the DOF with Stan.
Posh wanted to buy him before he went on loan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 9:54:06 GMT
In his defence (yes, really😁) are our young players actually any good? Defence rests on that one point alone though😁 Looking at our recent players going out on loan and the types of clubs they have gone to the answer would have to be no they don’t appear very good. Many of the current crop seem to have spent time at Non league level which may suggest a lack of talent. Our best prospects ( Looking from the outside ) Smythe , Masterson ,Shodipo and Barnes have gone to League 1 clubs and Scottish football which I suppose should be the bench mark for us to gauge their progress Maybe we should look how clubs like Exeter City who churn out youngsters most seasons that go on to make good money for their club. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jan 26, 2021 10:22:47 GMT
I think it is fair to say that we are miles better at bringing young players through than we were say 5 years ago.
Credit where it is due. Apologies if that is not fashionable.
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Post by Corbray on Jan 26, 2021 10:47:37 GMT
In his defence (yes, really😁) are our young players actually any good? Defence rests on that one point alone though😁 Looking at our recent players going out on loan and the types of clubs they have gone to the answer would have to be no they don’t appear very good. Many of the current crop seem to have spent time at Non league level which may suggest a lack of talent. Our best prospects ( Looking from the outside ) Smythe , Masterson ,Shodipo and Barnes have gone to League 1 clubs and Scottish football which I suppose should be the bench mark for us to gauge their progress Maybe we should look how clubs like Exeter City who churn out youngsters most seasons that go on to make good money for their club. exeter are in a different catchment area than us. they only have 3 other league clubs in the area to compete with for youth players so can get a fair few of the best local talent. we have all of londons clubs to compete with for youth players. we have improved dramatically though from 5 years ago. its still early days for our academy but we're defo building a great reputation for developing players. eze, furlong, BOS, chair, dieng and even lumley spring to mind |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 13:27:08 GMT
Looking at our recent players going out on loan and the types of clubs they have gone to the answer would have to be no they don’t appear very good. Many of the current crop seem to have spent time at Non league level which may suggest a lack of talent. Our best prospects ( Looking from the outside ) Smythe , Masterson ,Shodipo and Barnes have gone to League 1 clubs and Scottish football which I suppose should be the bench mark for us to gauge their progress Maybe we should look how clubs like Exeter City who churn out youngsters most seasons that go on to make good money for their club. exeter are in a different catchment area than us. they only have 3 other league clubs in the area to compete with for youth players so can get a fair few of the best local talent. we have all of londons clubs to compete with for youth players. we have improved dramatically though from 5 years ago. its still early days for our academy but we're defo building a great reputation for developing players. eze, furlong, BOS, chair, dieng and even lumley spring to mind Certainly does not stop us having a scouting network down there Corbray |
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Post by Corbray on Jan 26, 2021 13:58:33 GMT
exeter are in a different catchment area than us. they only have 3 other league clubs in the area to compete with for youth players so can get a fair few of the best local talent. we have all of londons clubs to compete with for youth players. we have improved dramatically though from 5 years ago. its still early days for our academy but we're defo building a great reputation for developing players. eze, furlong, BOS, chair, dieng and even lumley spring to mind Certainly does not stop us having a scouting network down there Corbray it does as i think we only have a category 2 academy which means we can only sign youth players within a 30 minute drive of the club (think thats the rule anyway). category 1 academies like man utd etc can go after youth players from all over the country and even poach youth players from category 2 and below for a nominal fee. thats part of the reason brentford closed their academy as they lost 2 promising youngsters to man city for peanuts and there was nothing they could do about it. kind of unfair really for smaller clubs as they often lose u15s to bigger clubs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 14:06:10 GMT
Wow..some good info there Corbray🤙
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Post by spongeparr on Jan 26, 2021 14:29:02 GMT
You can totally see why Brentford too the route they took. Lose the overheads and use that money to scout across europe for hidden gems instead.
Having said that, I would rather our youth be a cat 1 and we build around it. All teh noises are that is what we will be doing so I hope it works that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 9:20:00 GMT
Seems this could be permanent
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2021 16:14:23 GMT
I think that's a shame really, I would have liked to see him get another chance here before getting rid of him.
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Post by 2Loftus on Jan 28, 2021 16:24:05 GMT
I think that's a shame really, I would have liked to see him get another chance here before getting rid of him. Same here. He had such a good start with us - and Northern Ireland - I really thought he'd develop into a really special player. But it does seem he's not hugely rated by the better teams he's been loaned out to, so maybe he really is a lower league player. But with Eze and Samuel gone, I'm surprised he's not been given an opportunity to prove himself once and for all - he's still only 23. If he goes out on loan for the rest of the season, I expect the club will just run his contract down and wave goodbye in the Summer. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 28, 2021 16:42:51 GMT
This will sound harsh but if Accrington Stanley are after him on perm I think that tells us everything we need to know.
Really quick yes but not seen much more than that. Not a regular at Charlton, only scored 1 goal. Confident this one wont come back to bite us on the arse
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 18:35:57 GMT
Accrington Stanley have a realistic chance to be promoted to the Championship this season.just saying.
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 28, 2021 20:53:42 GMT
This will sound harsh but if Accrington Stanley are after him on perm I think that tells us everything we need to know. Really quick yes but not seen much more than that. Not a regular at Charlton, only scored 1 goal. Confident this one wont come back to bite us on the arse True, but I think he probably offers more off the bench than Kelman from what I've seen. I'd have been tempted to keep him around. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 28, 2021 22:55:23 GMT
Lower league clubs buy players they think will improve them. They don't buy bad players because they are lower league, they buy the best they can afford. If we are prepared to sell someone at a price they can afford that's our doing. They must rate him at above their level or there would be no point buying him. I still think we should have had a look at him but, like Les said, everyone is for sale.
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