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Post by The General on Mar 18, 2024 15:25:38 GMT
This document says that they want to BUILD a state of the art new stadium
That wont be at Loftus Road as its not big enough
So it must be LC
Forget about re-vamping Loftus their aspirations are larger than that and they want to re-generate a whole area with new housing etc.
Its basically a construction project with houses bars and a stadium thrown in
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Post by Bill on Mar 18, 2024 15:27:10 GMT
This document says that they want to BUILD a state of the art new stadium That wont be at Loftus Road as its not big enough So it must be LC Forget about re-vamping Loftus their aspirations are larger than that and they want to re-generate a whole area with new housing etc. Its basically a construction project with houses bars and a stadium thrown in At last |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 18, 2024 15:34:27 GMT
This document says that they want to BUILD a state of the art new stadium That wont be at Loftus Road as its not big enough So it must be LC Forget about re-vamping Loftus their aspirations are larger than that and they want to re-generate a whole area with new housing etc. Its basically a construction project with houses bars and a stadium thrown in Hmmm…….but didn’t we get invited to the hospitality suite to view the plans for a new stadium 5/6 years ago? Was all bollocks then so let’s keep fingers crossed but not get too carried away just yet😁 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 18, 2024 15:42:51 GMT
This document says that they want to BUILD a state of the art new stadium That wont be at Loftus Road as its not big enough So it must be LC Forget about re-vamping Loftus their aspirations are larger than that and they want to re-generate a whole area with new housing etc. Its basically a construction project with houses bars and a stadium thrown in Hmmm…….but didn’t we get invited to the hospitality suite to view the plans for a new stadium 5/6 years ago? Was all bollocks then so let’s keep fingers crossed but not get too carried away just yet😁 When Fernandes and Ferdinand were running the show, as opposed to Nourry, Reuben and Cifuentes now who seem to be more savvy. Hope so anyway. Does sound more promising this time. |
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Post by Bill on Mar 18, 2024 15:54:03 GMT
As ive said repeating what i heard and do far most changes seem to point that way.
Ideally it would secure the club in a better ground fit for purpose.
We do have to realise it could go either way.
New owners objectives.
Money ?
Are they in it long term.
Football ambitions.
I just remember Reubens interview last close seasons quote "We want to leave the club in a better place than when i came here"
This can be interrupted in a number of ways ?
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 18, 2024 16:01:37 GMT
As ive said repeating what i heard and do far most changes seem to point that way. Ideally it would secure the club in a better ground fit for purpose. We do have to realise it could go either way. New owners objectives. Money ? Are they in it long term. Football ambitions. I just remember Reubens interview last close seasons quote "We want to leave the club in a better place than when i came here" This can be interrupted in a number of ways ? Bill, yes, most remember that quote from the last fans forum. For me the clear inference is that he meant it from the fans' perspective. On that basis I would take him at his word. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Mar 18, 2024 16:08:19 GMT
I understand from someone reliable on the subject that the changes to HS2 project mean that land use at Old Oak isn’t the done deal that it was. Presumably the shortened version isn’t as attractive to investors.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Mar 18, 2024 16:41:15 GMT
IF, if it’s LC build it first. They can have contract for LR sewn up before. Might keep all parties focused too. If they don't need the money from the sale of LR to part finance the new build that would obvs be ideal - but if cost of getting a good new home somewhere that is still genuinely London then if it means renting off Brentford or Fulham for a couple of seasons, so be it. Not as if lately LR has been the fortress to us it used to be. |
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Post by Bill on Mar 18, 2024 16:54:48 GMT
As ive said repeating what i heard and do far most changes seem to point that way. Ideally it would secure the club in a better ground fit for purpose. We do have to realise it could go either way. New owners objectives. Money ? Are they in it long term. Football ambitions. I just remember Reubens interview last close seasons quote "We want to leave the club in a better place than when i came here" This can be interrupted in a number of ways ? Bill, yes, most remember that quote from the last fans forum. For me the clear inference is that he meant it from the fans' perspective. On that basis I would take him at his word. Yes,Stan one lives in hope. |
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Post by acricketer on Mar 19, 2024 21:57:21 GMT
It's another load of bollox. Nothing stirring anywhere else on this topic.
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Post by Bill on Mar 20, 2024 13:19:14 GMT
It's another load of bollox. Nothing stirring anywhere else on this topic. 😂👍 |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 18, 2024 8:23:35 GMT
Sell outs most home games now suggest even more need for a new stadium as:
a) The club are losing money every week by (ticket) supply not meeting demand.
b) LR remains an uncomfortable matchday experience - yet (ticket) demand still exceeds supply
c) On the pitch, it's been a relatively poor season most of which has been a relegation battle - yet (ticket) demand still exceeds supply.
#Economics101
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Post by 2Loftus on Apr 18, 2024 11:21:38 GMT
I understand from someone reliable on the subject that the changes to HS2 project mean that land use at Old Oak isn’t the done deal that it was. Presumably the shortened version isn’t as attractive to investors. Back to the Car Giant site then...   |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 18, 2024 18:09:43 GMT
Sell outs most home games now suggest even more need for a new stadium as: a) The club are losing money every week by (ticket) supply not meeting demand. b) LR remains an uncomfortable matchday experience - yet (ticket) demand still exceeds supply c) On the pitch, it's been a relatively poor season most of which has been a relegation battle - yet (ticket) demand still exceeds supply. #Economics101 I’m kinda with you - but I guess #Economics102: let’s say we could get another 10k fans paying £40 a ticket 24 times a year plus some extra for better hospitality etc. Figures like 300m/400m were quoted for a big multi use stadium. Even if you off-set whatever the value is of Loftus Rd for housing (I’ve no clue on that), am not sure the current owners would necessarily live to see a ROI? |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 18, 2024 19:15:06 GMT
Sell outs most home games now suggest even more need for a new stadium as: a) The club are losing money every week by (ticket) supply not meeting demand. b) LR remains an uncomfortable matchday experience - yet (ticket) demand still exceeds supply c) On the pitch, it's been a relatively poor season most of which has been a relegation battle - yet (ticket) demand still exceeds supply. #Economics101 I’m kinda with you - but I guess #Economics102: let’s say we could get another 10k fans paying £40 a ticket 24 times a year plus some extra for better hospitality etc. Figures like 300m/400m were quoted for a big multi use stadium. Even if you off-set whatever the value is of Loftus Rd for housing (I’ve no clue on that), am not sure the current owners would necessarily live to see a ROI? True but if/when we ever return to 'the promised land' you would then have to add (d) to the above, thus making the need even more pressing; which also circles you back to the ambition levels of the current owners..... |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 18, 2024 22:51:45 GMT
I’m kinda with you - but I guess #Economics102: let’s say we could get another 10k fans paying £40 a ticket 24 times a year plus some extra for better hospitality etc. Figures like 300m/400m were quoted for a big multi use stadium. Even if you off-set whatever the value is of Loftus Rd for housing (I’ve no clue on that), am not sure the current owners would necessarily live to see a ROI? True but if/when we ever return to 'the promised land' you would then have to add (d) to the above, thus making the need even more pressing; which also circles you back to the ambition levels of the current owners..... Yes indeed - but it’s a massive risk. Fans tend to look at the upsides. Investors (because it’s their actual money) understandably focus on the downsides. If I owned QPR unless I was Jeff Bezos or someone with so much money that it didn’t matter I wouldn’t risk it |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 19, 2024 12:14:54 GMT
True but if/when we ever return to 'the promised land' you would then have to add (d) to the above, thus making the need even more pressing; which also circles you back to the ambition levels of the current owners..... Yes indeed - but it’s a massive risk. Fans tend to look at the upsides. Investors (because it’s their actual money) understandably focus on the downsides. If I owned QPR unless I was Jeff Bezos or someone with so much money that it didn’t matter I wouldn’t risk it Their combined wealth can afford it. It's FFP/P&S that hinders them. The lure of the EPL is strong though and is I suspect why they've hung around so long - not just for the financial rewards but the ego-massaging ones. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 19, 2024 12:39:31 GMT
Yes indeed - but it’s a massive risk. Fans tend to look at the upsides. Investors (because it’s their actual money) understandably focus on the downsides. If I owned QPR unless I was Jeff Bezos or someone with so much money that it didn’t matter I wouldn’t risk it Their combined wealth can afford it. It's FFP/P&S that hinders them. The lure of the EPL is strong though and is I suspect why they've hung around so long - not just for the financial rewards but the ego-massaging ones. But first you were suggesting it as an investment, now you are just saying they can afford it. Rich people don't have this cash lying around in a bank. Think Ruben was reported to be worth 1bn or poss even 2bn, but does he want to spend maybe a third or even a sixth of his wealth on a new stadium? Which would probably mean diluting his shareholding in his main wealth generating business? Would a Premier League QPR even be worth over 400m? Lot better investments out there IMHO. Am sure as you say they are hanging around hoping to get into the Premier League, but the signs to me are they want it on the cheap like Luton. Then MAYBE get a rich naive investor to chuck a load of money at it, or possibly sell. But nothing I have seen suggests anyone at the club is serious about spending the kind of money that would be needed for an all-singing, all-dancing new stadium. We are 10/15 years in since we got various rich owners and nothing serious has happened. Very happy to be proved wrong of course! |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 19, 2024 12:53:58 GMT
Their combined wealth can afford it. It's FFP/P&S that hinders them. The lure of the EPL is strong though and is I suspect why they've hung around so long - not just for the financial rewards but the ego-massaging ones. Rich people don't have this cash lying around in a bank. Think Ruben was reported to be worth 1bn or poss even 2bn, but does he want to spend maybe a third or even a sixth of his wealth on a new stadium? Which would probably mean diluting his shareholding in his main wealth generating business? Would a Premier League QPR even be worth over 400m? Lot better investments out there IMHO. Am sure as you say they are hanging around hoping to get into the Premier League, but the signs to me are they want it on the cheap like Luton. Then MAYBE get a rich naive investor to chuck a load of money at it, or possibly sell. But nothing I have seen suggests anyone at the club is serious about spending the kind of money that would be needed for an all-singing, all-dancing new stadium. We are 10/15 years in since we got various rich owners and nothing serious has happened. Very happy to be proved wrong of course! I'm suggesting it's both. And said combined wealth of the owners, not just Ruben. Agree with you in the main though. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 19, 2024 13:13:17 GMT
But first you were suggesting it as an investment, now you are just saying they can afford it. Rich people don't have this cash lying around in a bank. Think Ruben was reported to be worth 1bn or poss even 2bn, but does he want to spend maybe a third or even a sixth of his wealth on a new stadium? Which would probably mean diluting his shareholding in his main wealth generating business? Would a Premier League QPR even be worth over 400m? Lot better investments out there IMHO. Am sure as you say they are hanging around hoping to get into the Premier League, but the signs to me are they want it on the cheap like Luton. Then MAYBE get a rich naive investor to chuck a load of money at it, or possibly sell. But nothing I have seen suggests anyone at the club is serious about spending the kind of money that would be needed for an all-singing, all-dancing new stadium. We are 10/15 years in since we got various rich owners and nothing serious has happened. Very happy to be proved wrong of course! I'm suggesting it's both. And said combined wealth of the owners, not just Ruben. Agree with you in the main though. The play for me would have been to go 50/50 on a new stadium with Brentford. Very hard now to see a realistic scenario where we get a new stadium in the next decade or so IMHO. In so many ways we have missed the bus these last 20/ 30 years. So sad when you compare it to when I first started going regularly in the early 80s and we were considered a very forward looking and fast growing club. |
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Post by Bill on Apr 19, 2024 13:30:48 GMT
Summers coming...but first the small issue of survival.
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Post by boboqpr on Apr 19, 2024 14:09:45 GMT
I was on the Bondholder tour at the QPR training ground on Tuesday and met the new CEO.. The word there was the upgraded stadoum would be on the current site at Loftus Road.
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 19, 2024 14:40:14 GMT
Sell outs most home games now suggest even more need for a new stadium as: a) The club are losing money every week by (ticket) supply not meeting demand. b) LR remains an uncomfortable matchday experience - yet (ticket) demand still exceeds supply c) On the pitch, it's been a relatively poor season most of which has been a relegation battle - yet (ticket) demand still exceeds supply. #Economics101 I’m kinda with you - but I guess #Economics102: let’s say we could get another 10k fans paying £40 a ticket 24 times a year plus some extra for better hospitality etc. Figures like 300m/400m were quoted for a big multi use stadium. Even if you off-set whatever the value is of Loftus Rd for housing (I’ve no clue on that), am not sure the current owners would necessarily live to see a ROI? Just by tickets alone it would be over £9m a season. Then you factor in extra food, drinks, merch that gets sold. Not just to the 10k, but to everyone as it's all easier and more room. Then you add in more non match day activities, more conferencing, hotels, restaurants. Add in naming rights. Add in money back from LR. Add extra value to the club itself to new buyers. Include lower running costs, less maintenance fees THey would make it back in no time. And they could sell at a profit way before then anyway. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 19, 2024 15:46:05 GMT
I’m kinda with you - but I guess #Economics102: let’s say we could get another 10k fans paying £40 a ticket 24 times a year plus some extra for better hospitality etc. Figures like 300m/400m were quoted for a big multi use stadium. Even if you off-set whatever the value is of Loftus Rd for housing (I’ve no clue on that), am not sure the current owners would necessarily live to see a ROI? Just by tickets alone it would be over £9m a season. Then you factor in extra food, drinks, merch that gets sold. Not just to the 10k, but to everyone as it's all easier and more room. Then you add in more non match day activities, more conferencing, hotels, restaurants. Add in naming rights. Add in money back from LR. Add extra value to the club itself to new buyers. Include lower running costs, less maintenance fees THey would make it back in no time. And they could sell at a profit way before then anyway. No way mate does that make you back 400m in “no time” - and even that’s being pretty optimistic that we would average 26k a match which (correct me if i am wrong) we have never come close to in our history |
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Post by Stanley75 on Apr 19, 2024 15:53:05 GMT
Just by tickets alone it would be over £9m a season. Then you factor in extra food, drinks, merch that gets sold. Not just to the 10k, but to everyone as it's all easier and more room. Then you add in more non match day activities, more conferencing, hotels, restaurants. Add in naming rights. Add in money back from LR. Add extra value to the club itself to new buyers. Include lower running costs, less maintenance fees THey would make it back in no time. And they could sell at a profit way before then anyway. No way mate does that make you back 400m in “no time” - and even that’s being pretty optimistic that we would average 26k a match which (correct me if i am wrong) we have never come close to in our history That was actually our average home attendance in 75/76 Stains. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Apr 19, 2024 17:28:41 GMT
Fair enough Stanley didn't know that.
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Post by spongeparr on Apr 19, 2024 18:05:29 GMT
Just by tickets alone it would be over £9m a season. Then you factor in extra food, drinks, merch that gets sold. Not just to the 10k, but to everyone as it's all easier and more room. Then you add in more non match day activities, more conferencing, hotels, restaurants. Add in naming rights. Add in money back from LR. Add extra value to the club itself to new buyers. Include lower running costs, less maintenance fees THey would make it back in no time. And they could sell at a profit way before then anyway. No way mate does that make you back 400m in “no time” - and even that’s being pretty optimistic that we would average 26k a match which (correct me if i am wrong) we have never come close to in our history In no time was flippant but I was highlighting that it will be quicker than made out. Even if not selling it out, the aim is to make money on non match days. Burnley which is a sithole makes over 12m a year on non match days. |
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Post by Corbray on Apr 19, 2024 18:17:44 GMT
tbf to nourry he comes across as much more ambitious and thrifty than our previous stewards.
for example, and it's unrelated to the stadium, but the club are going to start putting banners and the like up around shepherds bush once again.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 19, 2024 18:53:54 GMT
If the council actually value the club and any potential benefit it brings to area they will give in and let the lunchbox be our new home. Arsenal and Spurs literally moved like next door till their old grounds.
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Post by Bill on Apr 19, 2024 19:05:14 GMT
I was on the Bondholder tour at the QPR training ground on Tuesday and met the new CEO.. The word there was the upgraded stadoum would be on the current site at Loftus Road. Load of old bollox |
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