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Post by spongeparr on Jun 12, 2019 14:47:10 GMT
I'm not being naive. Financial success will come from regular support from season ticket holders/members and all efforts and business models should be designed to encourage that and not a precarious source of income. First and foremost we need to get QPR fans back in the ground on a regular basis before we even think about building a new stadium that is 10k+ bigger than KPFS. Brighton previously played at the Goldstone Ground where they had a much larger average attendance than at the Withdean, plus going into the Prem for the first time will raise interest in a one team town with a lot of 'football' fans who wouldn't of had easy access to live PL football before. You've got to look at it over a long period of time and Brighton's current PL stint isn't long enough to use as a comparison. We can look at our own average attendance across the 30 years and it will probably be around 15k. And that's with a few spells in the PL, Championship winning season and a play-off! We're not a 30k stadium club. We also don't need to be. We need a new stadium, but should be realistic about what we build. We do need people coming into the stadium, you're right. But people are put off due to the lack of facilities that we offer. Hoos has said many times that we have a high amount of people that visit once and never again. When we play at capacity/near capacity there is no where to go at HT. My nephews had to go under the stairs in order for them to have some room at HT. Even against Preston (I think) near the end of the season it took me 20 minutes to get a beer; and I went down 5 minutes before half time. How is that going to attract people to come more often? Unless you are a QPR fan then you wouldn't come back. You are saying that we averaged that but if you go by the net% of home fans that have sold then it would be fairly high. Ignore away ends. We cannot average that high due to the fact we cannot get more 18k in our ground. 3k is away fans. In the Prem we were selling out and we would do again when we start to do better. I am sure the prices would actually drop if we got a bigger stadium |
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Post by Joe90 on Jun 12, 2019 15:19:33 GMT
I agree we need improve the facilities and the overall match day 'experience'. A new stadium will offer:
Improved facilities - toilets, bars, food...etc
Better access for disabled fans
More leg room
No restricted views
We'll be able to finally resolve the issue of the family area and will hopefully have a very vocal 'home end' behind the goal.
It would be interesting to know what % of season ticket holders/members live within 2 miles of the ground. I would guess the majority of us travel at least 30/40 mins to the ground.I suspect our core fanbase isn't in the local area anymore and we're struggling to attract younger local fans who are more attracted to Chelsea/Arsenal/Spurs etc.
Ticket price would depend on the deal we get and the running cost of a new ground. As I mentioned before, I fear a big empty stadium with an average QPR squad struggling at the bottom of the championship. I could be wrong, we might kick on and everything fall into place! I hope so.
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Post by Rangers77 on Jun 12, 2019 15:39:15 GMT
Why wouldn't we need tourists? Better than empty seats IMO. I think the sensible thing would be to build a smaller stadium around 20-25,000 and once things improve on the pitch and we've got significantly more demand for SEASON TICKETS then think about expanding the ground. We won't and don't have loads of tourists wanting to come to Loftus Road and if we get back into the PL we don't want day trippers with their half and half scarfs killing the atmosphere! The seats should be filled with season ticket holders and members. The only day trippers should be the QPR fans who can't come regularly and people from the community who get free/discounted tickets. Also, Dude, Loftus Road is not the preferred nomenclature. Kiyan Prince Foundation Stadium, please..... |
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Post by Joe90 on Jun 12, 2019 16:05:38 GMT
I think the sensible thing would be to build a smaller stadium around 20-25,000 and once things improve on the pitch and we've got significantly more demand for SEASON TICKETS then think about expanding the ground. We won't and don't have loads of tourists wanting to come to Loftus Road and if we get back into the PL we don't want day trippers with their half and half scarfs killing the atmosphere! The seats should be filled with season ticket holders and members. The only day trippers should be the QPR fans who can't come regularly and people from the community who get free/discounted tickets. Also, Dude, Loftus Road is not the preferred nomenclature. Kiyan Prince Foundation Stadium, please..... My apologies. I did refer to it as the 'KPFS' in one of my previous comments, still getting use to the name change. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jun 12, 2019 16:36:35 GMT
Also, Dude, Loftus Road is not the preferred nomenclature. Kiyan Prince Foundation Stadium, please..... My apologies. I did refer to it as the ' KPFS' in one of my previous comments, still getting use to the name change. Yes, I noticed you used the new abbreviation already  |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 12, 2019 16:48:09 GMT
The inevitable acronisation. Knew it wouldn't take long :sigh:
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Post by The General on Jun 12, 2019 17:12:39 GMT
I think the council def want QPR involved to help fund this proposition the are just being coy at the moment so there pants are not pulled down.
Think this def has legs and we will get a new stadium of some sort .
If not and there not interested the they can fuck off a dozy for it all themselves however they are not gonna do that as they love money chaps and don't have loads atm
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Post by The General on Jun 12, 2019 17:16:14 GMT
This is a definite goer in my opinion it's gonna happen
Maybe we should get the council to run the club they seem pretty switched on
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Post by BrightonR on Jun 12, 2019 18:10:15 GMT
I'm not being naive. Financial success will come from regular support from season ticket holders/members and all efforts and business models should be designed to encourage that and not a precarious source of income. First and foremost we need to get QPR fans back in the ground on a regular basis before we even think about building a new stadium that is 10k+ bigger than KPFS. Brighton previously played at the Goldstone Ground where they had a much larger average attendance than at the Withdean, plus going into the Prem for the first time will raise interest in a one team town with a lot of 'football' fans who wouldn't of had easy access to live PL football before. You've got to look at it over a long period of time and Brighton's current PL stint isn't long enough to use as a comparison. We can look at our own average attendance across the 30 years and it will probably be around 15k. And that's with a few spells in the PL, Championship winning season and a play-off! We're not a 30k stadium club. We also don't need to be. We need a new stadium, but should be realistic about what we build. Out of interest, this is a history of their average attendances. european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/bha.htmFair to say that it had been a while since they had crowds of any real size. And that success on the pitch and a new stadium is a good combination. |
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Post by The General on Jun 12, 2019 18:42:49 GMT
Good post Joe your correct in all points 30 k we are not unless we reduce all seats to 20 pounds for match days
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Post by Joe90 on Jun 12, 2019 19:50:56 GMT
I'm not being naive. Financial success will come from regular support from season ticket holders/members and all efforts and business models should be designed to encourage that and not a precarious source of income. First and foremost we need to get QPR fans back in the ground on a regular basis before we even think about building a new stadium that is 10k+ bigger than KPFS. Brighton previously played at the Goldstone Ground where they had a much larger average attendance than at the Withdean, plus going into the Prem for the first time will raise interest in a one team town with a lot of 'football' fans who wouldn't of had easy access to live PL football before. You've got to look at it over a long period of time and Brighton's current PL stint isn't long enough to use as a comparison. We can look at our own average attendance across the 30 years and it will probably be around 15k. And that's with a few spells in the PL, Championship winning season and a play-off! We're not a 30k stadium club. We also don't need to be. We need a new stadium, but should be realistic about what we build. Out of interest, this is a history of their average attendances. european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/bha.htmFair to say that it had been a while since they had crowds of any real size. And that success on the pitch and a new stadium is a good combination. Very interesting link thanks for sharing. Okay, so my claim was a slight exaggeration (wrong)...here are the figures according the website: Average attendance at the Whitdean = 5,779Average attendance at the Goldstone = 8,179 (that's based on the previous 13 season before the move) There's a massive spike in attendance when they move to the Amex, sorry I mean the Falmer Stadium, from 7,352 to 20,028! That's a 12,676 increase!! Our average attendance over the last 7 championship seasons is 15,056. The average attendance for our last 3 PL seasons 17,627, that's a 2,571 increase.Our average attendance during our first stint in the PL (92-96) was 14,625. Are there 12,373 new/sleeping fans waiting to watch QPR on a regular basis? From the stats I think it's fair to say we've got a core fan base of around 15,000. I don't think there's any thing wrong with that. |
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Post by West Acton on Jun 12, 2019 20:08:12 GMT
Really hope your right general
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Post by The General on Jun 13, 2019 18:00:58 GMT
West its in everybody's interests to develop that land the residents ..the council..QPR it's a waste of space atm the council will want to re generate it and create future revenue as they love money and need qprs investment to undertake this huge project.
If they don't wants QPR involved then we take our investment elsewhere .
I want to remain in the area but would not held to ransom by anybody in life.
It's a no brainer for all parties involved.
They like having QPR in the borough just will not hand over the land for free which I agree with nor would I .
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 16, 2019 11:37:38 GMT
Norwegian politician weighs in on QPR stadium row16 JUNE, 2019 BY ROB HORGAN The deputy mayor of the Norwegian city of Sandnes has weighed in on the row between Queen’s Park Rangers FC and Hammersmith & Fulham Council over the future of the Linford Christie stadium. Deputy mayor of Sandnes Pål Morten Borgli tabled his “peppercorn rental” idea to New Civil Engineer, where the football club would pay the council a small annual rental fee to develop and maintain the land for its own use. A similar rental agreement exists in Sandnes, where the city’s football club has a 40-year land rental agreement to build its own stadium for a £1 annual fee. Hammersmith & Fulham council has just completed a public consultation on what to do with the stadium, asking residents to chose between developing the land into a 45,000-seater stadium, making minor improvements to the current athletics venue or doing nothing at all. The venue is currently losing money. However, QPR’s owners believe that the council should hand the land over to the football club to fulfil its own aspirations of building a 30,000-seater arena. While QPR’s plans to move into the ground were not officially part of the consultation, the club’s chief executive Lee Hoos urged Hoops fans to “have their say” before it is too late. In response, the council questioned why it would “give away over £100M worth of land to QPR’s multi-millionaire owners”. Borgli suggested following a similar rental agreement to the one which exists in his town will benefit both the football club and the council. “I think it’s sad when politicians find that club owners are trying to acquire cheap land. It’s about creating something good, and developing the district and the business community,” Borgli told New Civil Engineer. “I think Linford Christie Stadium is perfect for urban development, business development and identity building. “I am a deputy mayor in a rapidly growing city and we found a good solution for the city’s new stadium recently. The city’s football club can rent an area of 40 years for 1 pound annually and build the entire facility itself. In this way we ensure that the heart is in the club, the local community and the city.” Borgli said he developed a “proud” interest in QPR and the London borough in general after volunteering following the Grenfell Tower fire. He added: “For us many Norwegians who love London and W12 in particular, I hope that the municipal council finds a quick and good solution together with the club, it deserves the local community.” www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/norwegian-politician-weighs-in-on-qpr-stadium-row/10043138.article
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Post by West Acton on Jun 16, 2019 12:18:59 GMT
In north acton HS2 have enquired loads of the factories and flattened them but strong rumours HS2 might he pulled. Would be tons of land there if this fell through. Could put ten stadiums on the land they have flattened so far
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Post by davieqpr on Jun 16, 2019 13:15:39 GMT
The Council are losing bucketfulls of money on this site which they cannot afford. LCstadium is only 8% of the overall land. To build anything they need permission from Charities Commission, Mayor of London and The Ministry of Defence, so housing is out. Don't see as they have much choice. They just have to placate a few NIMBYS and full time protesters.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 16, 2019 17:07:02 GMT
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Post by esoxlucius on Jun 16, 2019 19:02:59 GMT
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Post by Shania on Jun 16, 2019 19:06:02 GMT
Nope, I can`t say that I have, Stanley. It seems like he is a member of the Norwegian R`s though.. |
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Post by West Acton on Jun 17, 2019 8:52:34 GMT
Interesting read essox and picture of new OOC station has the QPR housing as park of it which is almost complete.
Lots of the road between North Acton tube to Willesden Junction station look like they have been flattened by a bomb. Is this does fall through there are some prime sites there waiting to be exploited
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 19, 2019 12:32:59 GMT
I can't see it falling through though. I think there has been too much investment already for it to get backed out of now.
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 19, 2019 12:34:31 GMT
Norwegian politician weighs in on QPR stadium row16 JUNE, 2019 BY ROB HORGAN The deputy mayor of the Norwegian city of Sandnes has weighed in on the row between Queen’s Park Rangers FC and Hammersmith & Fulham Council over the future of the Linford Christie stadium. Deputy mayor of Sandnes Pål Morten Borgli tabled his “peppercorn rental” idea to New Civil Engineer, where the football club would pay the council a small annual rental fee to develop and maintain the land for its own use. A similar rental agreement exists in Sandnes, where the city’s football club has a 40-year land rental agreement to build its own stadium for a £1 annual fee. Hammersmith & Fulham council has just completed a public consultation on what to do with the stadium, asking residents to chose between developing the land into a 45,000-seater stadium, making minor improvements to the current athletics venue or doing nothing at all. The venue is currently losing money. However, QPR’s owners believe that the council should hand the land over to the football club to fulfil its own aspirations of building a 30,000-seater arena. While QPR’s plans to move into the ground were not officially part of the consultation, the club’s chief executive Lee Hoos urged Hoops fans to “have their say” before it is too late. In response, the council questioned why it would “give away over £100M worth of land to QPR’s multi-millionaire owners”. Borgli suggested following a similar rental agreement to the one which exists in his town will benefit both the football club and the council. “I think it’s sad when politicians find that club owners are trying to acquire cheap land. It’s about creating something good, and developing the district and the business community,” Borgli told New Civil Engineer. “I think Linford Christie Stadium is perfect for urban development, business development and identity building. “I am a deputy mayor in a rapidly growing city and we found a good solution for the city’s new stadium recently. The city’s football club can rent an area of 40 years for 1 pound annually and build the entire facility itself. In this way we ensure that the heart is in the club, the local community and the city.” Borgli said he developed a “proud” interest in QPR and the London borough in general after volunteering following the Grenfell Tower fire. He added: “For us many Norwegians who love London and W12 in particular, I hope that the municipal council finds a quick and good solution together with the club, it deserves the local community.” www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/norwegian-politician-weighs-in-on-qpr-stadium-row/10043138.article We wouldn't want a 40 year lease though or we'll end up having what Coventry had. How long is West Hams lease? A multi 100year lease would put peoples mind at ease. Council still owns it but we unofficially own it. |
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Post by West Acton on Jun 23, 2019 16:51:07 GMT
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Post by hubble on Jun 23, 2019 18:54:13 GMT
I find that encouraging. I really hope we can make this happen. |
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Post by acricketer on Jun 23, 2019 19:43:16 GMT
I can say that I won the high jump at our new stadium!
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 23, 2019 20:21:36 GMT
I can say that I won the high jump at our new stadium! Remember a long hot summer playing cricket on the scrubs. I also have a memory of the running track gravel, where we were made to do press ups on our bare fists! |
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Post by Vespa on Jun 24, 2019 1:28:23 GMT
initially i was against leaving Loftus Rd ,but ive come to the conclusion ,we have no choice .long term .
One thing that bothers me , and i don`t blame the club ,because they have done so much for the local community ,is how few locals seem to support QPR.
I come through Shepherds Bush most days ( driving a train ) from Clapham junction to Milton Keynes ( or Watford )an the amount of people on a non match day wearing Rangers colours is zero . Considering i also go through Croydon /Thornton Heath every day and you see Palace tops/supporters regularly , its not just the white flight scenario ,because round Thornton Heath ,white people are a definate minority .
What more can Rangers do to get the support of the locals ? Chelsea and Arsenal colours are worn round Shepherds Bush all the time , its such a shame .
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Post by hubble on Jun 24, 2019 7:07:29 GMT
What more can Rangers do to get the support of the locals ? . Play better football? |
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 24, 2019 8:36:17 GMT
Positive news. Surprised at the lack of QPR fans getting involved so it is even more positive that the actual locals want a stadium there is great.
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Post by Vespa on Jun 24, 2019 8:59:50 GMT
What more can Rangers do to get the support of the locals ? . Play better football? That would help ,but please ,realistic answers only !! |
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