Jordan Hugill

I think he's too isolated mate. That lone striker role ain't an easy one. Hugill is big physical lad and he'll work his socks off, but he's never gonna make the sort of runs a player like Nakhi Wells will. We could do with someone a bit more mobile playing off him. Whether that's a 2nd striker or someone like Chair or Eze being pushed a bit further up the pitch.

I think the ball in from BOS was a bit behind Hugill.

Yes, I agree. He's showing good signs of improving but needs to add goals to make a big difference.

Genuine question Hal what of those three areas does Smith honestly tick??

Useful of bench yes but he’s not ticking the boxes you referred

Jesus wept smith has gone. A) he wants to be the main man, something at his stage of career I totally understand, we couldn’t guarantee him that. B) he doesn’t suit the style of football qpr and warbs wants to play(thank the lord for that one as I was getting a bit sick and tired of aimlessly lumping it up field). He very much suits walls style of play and good luck to him he seems a good lad. Hugill offers far more options in my opinion, granted we haven’t seen the best of him but he’s played 3 games ffs. If we actually give the poor bastard a chance we might be better placed to make a solid opinion. West Ham didn’t pay 10 million quid for a dummy

I just don't get this mindset that some fans can't be happy unless they have a scapegoat or an axe to grind.

Did you actually read my original post? Just a plea for consistency really, you have to take chances just like he did so well at Stoke. Warburton said after game the players aren't happy and that's right. If we can't comment and express an opinion what's the point of any fan forum? I don't dismiss other people if I don't agree with them, I'm interested in how others see it.

I don't think it's a case of having a scapegoat etc. Clearly Hal has had a bit of a gripe about Hugill, but he's been looking for an excuse to moan about Matt Smith's departure since the day it happened. 

I think where you differ from most on here Esox is you seem quite happy to rock up, watch the team play and win, lose or draw accept the result and move on without any form of criticism. For most on here (and to be fair a few of them drop a small fortune following the club), they will critique performances and say when they think the players and/or the manager haven't been good enough. 

Now I don't subscribe to the mindset of some knuckle draggers who follow the club that paying a score for a ticket means you can boo or swear at the players etc. But I do think if a fan is giving up their time and money to follow the club, they are entitled to air their opinion (even if it is negative) on forums like this or in the pubs after the games!

Up until my step daughter suddenly died two years ago I went to games home and away from where I live in North Oxford and I still attend all the home games with my season ticket so I am financially invested in the team. I also get pretty mad about performances that are sub par but that has usually diminished significantly on the long drive home. I am passionate about QPR, and have been since 1966-67 season when I first watched games, but there are more important things in life than getting angry and sometimes abusive towards people who play football for a living. For the last couple of seasons we have had a noticeable lack of mercenary types playing for us, albeit with lower footballing skills in most cases, but they have given of their best, even Washington LOL, and that's all I want when I go to a game. 
I DO see the faults in players and I notice the individual mistakes throughout games but I appraise those against their overall performance in a game and look for the positive aspects in the match they have contributed and they generally outweigh the negatives by a distance. I accept that there will be drops in form and the odd bad performance but I don't think that these players are trying to rob a living from us, deliberately under performing for their own agenda or are shit footballers. I have come to realise that any observational criticism of a match is generally opinion skewed by personal prejudices and most people see a different game to the one that others see. 
Life is too short to dwell on negativity, find the positives in what you are doing/ watching and feed off that positivism. When someone misses an open goal I am more than capable of using my eyes to see it, when Joe, Yohann and Angel fucked up on Saturday it was there for all to see; it's not going to change by ranting about it and there were many more moments in the game to enjoy than there were to criticise.

Sorry to hear that Esox, puts a few things into perspective.

I don't however think this is a subject we are ever going to fully agree on. For me, analysing a performance and talking about the good and the bad is half the fun of being on a forum like this one. I've taken heed of some of the stuff you've said and will try to be more constructive when posting negative feedback. But only discussing the positive is too much for me. It will kill most of the debate on here.

As for the comment about players not wanting to 'rob a living from us'. Again, I understand. But somebody doesn't need to be deliberately at fault for it to be worthy of criticism. Hell, in my work if I fuck up not only do I get dogs abuse from my clients, I also don't get paid! Life is tough. These guys are being paid handsomely to be in the public eye and should expect critiscm from the fans, the media and even at times the manager if the performances aren't up to scratch!

Totally agree that we have the right to discuss all players, good or bad after a win or defeat. It is just how people just vent without thinking about how they word it. Sweeping statements like he's useless etc after people have played 2 games or whatever doesn't help any debate in my opinion.

Constructive praise/criticisms are the way forwards rather than blind sticking up for players, slagging them off or giving massive praise.

Hugill just needs a bit more work on his positioning and understanding of his team mates then the goals will come.

Too early to right him off and think he may turn out to be a half decent loan signing. Cannot compare him and Scowen as he has had over 2 seasons here so you can form a positive or negative opinion on him. Hugill works hard and just needs to take his time a bit more in front of goal and the goals will come.

I fit your bill and I agree that those who have got it shine out from the start - Gerry Francis'debut is a classic example - but I DO think Hugill will prove to be a very good player. He's the first player we've had since Austin to get in the box and gamble on the ball coming in. We need to deliver and, as Warburton said, you have to take chances when you are on top.