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Post by West Acton on Feb 9, 2020 8:52:21 GMT
Would they also have to have the same professional qualifications that Ferdinand has? And what qualifications would they be mate? He had zero experience as a DoF before he came to us. Of course, 30 odd years in professional football and a decade behind the scenes at Spurs would stand him in better stead than the layman. But I ain't having for a second that he was qualified to walk into a DoF role when he came to us. what experience did steve gallen have to be in similar role at Charlton mate but he’s doing decent job and been placed on the directors board. Common sense in some fields (football business) more important then experience. Phil beard very experienced businessman awful in football same applies untied chief executive or Chris Wright. Totally different set of skills needed, if you got experience all the better, but I would take smart/sharpe brain first
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 9, 2020 9:03:55 GMT
Different set of circumstance Westy. Gallen joined Charlton as their Head of Recruitment and worked his way up. I'm also pretty certain that his salary is a fraction of what Les is being paid.
Also disagree on the 2nd statement. Common sense is a long way from enough for a Director level role in any walk of life. You should be at the top of your game for years, if not decades to merit landing a Director level role.
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Post by West Acton on Feb 9, 2020 9:23:55 GMT
Different set of circumstance Westy. Gallen joined Charlton as their Head of Recruitment and worked his way up. I'm also pretty certain that his salary is a fraction of what Les is being paid. Also disagree on the 2nd statement. Common sense is a long way from enough for a Director level role in any walk of life. You should be at the top of your game for years, if not decades to merit landing a Director level role. Gallen has Less experience then Les to have secured role on board so he’s not got it from his experience but I do know he’s sharpe as a tac when it comes to football hence why others see his benefits. Personally think we should have retained him So your objection is not the role of DOF it’s the cost of it? If DOF attracted say 100k you would not object?
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 9, 2020 9:39:40 GMT
Different set of circumstance Westy. Gallen joined Charlton as their Head of Recruitment and worked his way up. I'm also pretty certain that his salary is a fraction of what Les is being paid. Also disagree on the 2nd statement. Common sense is a long way from enough for a Director level role in any walk of life. You should be at the top of your game for years, if not decades to merit landing a Director level role. Gallen has Less experience then Les to have secured role on board so he’s not got it from his experience but I do know he’s sharpe as a tac when it comes to football hence why others see his benefits. Personally think we should have retained him So your objection is not the role of DOF it’s the cost of it? If DOF attracted say 100k you would not object? I don't have an objection as such mate. I fully understand why Les was required when he joined the club. At the time, I would also say his salary was not a huge issue given we were paying Harry 5 or 6 times what Les earns. My point is the landscape has changed significantly in the 5 years Les has been with the club. Our wage bill for playing staff is down to something like 10 or 15% of what it was in the first few years of the Fernandes era. Our average salary is something like 6 grand a week as opposed to something like 50k a week. I don't understand why there should be any objection to a similar level of scrutiny being afforded to non playing staff. I'll also reiterate that the job Les was brought on to do (adding some structure, improving the youth system, reducing some overheads etc.) has been done. Given that (in addition to Les) we have a Manager that has previous experience in the DoF role and financial/business knowledge from outside of football, a Technical Director that is respected hugely within the game, a CEO with a good combination of financial and football experience, and above all of that a Chairman in Amit from a very strong financial background, I think it's pretty hard to argue the point that we aren't overstaffed in this part of the business. I actually think you could argue that both Les and Hoos' roles are redundant. Now combine the above with the fact we only have 1 Championship level striker in our squad as things stand, how can there not be an argument that 1.2 or 1.3m quid (or whatever we are paying our Directors) could be better spent?!!
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 9, 2020 9:48:19 GMT
Thanks esox im just losing my patience which i know i have advocated in another post but its becoming very tedious same old same old. This is why i pose the question about folding and TF and his band can get their money back. In other words all this continuous bullshit is it a smokescreen for a self destruction job,cant help but think about this,sorry to anyone who is upset or angry about this. When I hear things like the club want to pay for Warren Farm with a bond issue this makes me think that the directors have had enough of ploughing money into the club but without having fan representation on the board I would be very suspicious of embracing this. In my mind, this is akin to having a storage and distribution facility that needs, say, new fork trucks and want the fork truck drivers to use their own money to buy them but their reward will be that they can do more work and get more money when they have bought them. I am not sufficiently well versed in the intricacies of bond issues but, with one of the richest boards in the land, this has the sense of foreboding hanging around it for me. I am hoping to see Lee Hoos at the next couple of home games and if I do manage to I will ask him some direct yes or no questions about the boards commitment going forward and what impact Kamarudin & Ferdinand having to step back in the Air Asia business will have in their role as the senior members of the Tune Group. Diverting back to a question asked of me in another post; I am not happy with ALL the football I see every week, mainly based around a weak defence, but I am loving how we play and can't wait for matches these days. That hasn't happened for quite a number of years... a decade? and I am going to enjoy the hell out of it. I have brought an Aston Villa supporting friend to a couple of games in the last few months and he can't wait until his work schedule lets him come back for another game, he thinks we have some great players nd is a big fan of Eze and Chair. Obviously he isn't as invested in the results as I, or others, are but he is quite happy to pay his £34? and watch us play. QPR has been a cyclical experience of ups and downs for my whole life; we started in the 3rd division, went to the top, dropped back down to the 3rd division, went back up to the top and if we were to drop back down to the 3rd division it would stop me from being a fan, or stop me from going to games. To me it is part and parcel of being a QPR fan for life. I get the impression on occasions that it isn't QPR losing that gets people upset, it is having to deal with friends and colleagues who will take the piss and they can't deal with the affront to their masculinity and have to vent against QPR to make themselves feel better after a defeat. If the current set of board members disappears bill, just remember, you were there before they arrived and hopefully you will still be there when they are but another chapter in our history. Keep the blue and white hooped faith!
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Post by Shania on Feb 9, 2020 10:59:51 GMT
Thanks esox im just losing my patience which i know i have advocated in another post but its becoming very tedious same old same old. This is why i pose the question about folding and TF and his band can get their money back. In other words all this continuous bullshit is it a smokescreen for a self destruction job,cant help but think about this,sorry to anyone who is upset or angry about this. When I hear things like the club want to pay for Warren Farm with a bond issue this makes me think that the directors have had enough of ploughing money into the club but without having fan representation on the board I would be very suspicious of embracing this. In my mind, this is akin to having a storage and distribution facility that needs, say, new fork trucks and want the fork truck drivers to use their own money to buy them but their reward will be that they can do more work and get more money when they have bought them. I am not sufficiently well versed in the intricacies of bond issues but, with one of the richest boards in the land, this has the sense of foreboding hanging around it for me. I am hoping to see Lee Hoos at the next couple of home games and if I do manage to I will ask him some direct yes or no questions about the boards commitment going forward and what impact Kamarudin & Ferdinand having to step back in the Air Asia business will have in their role as the senior members of the Tune Group. Diverting back to a question asked of me in another post; I am not happy with ALL the football I see every week, mainly based around a weak defence, but I am loving how we play and can't wait for matches these days. That hasn't happened for quite a number of years... a decade? and I am going to enjoy the hell out of it. I have brought an Aston Villa supporting friend to a couple of games in the last few months and he can't wait until his work schedule lets him come back for another game, he thinks we have some great players nd is a big fan of Eze and Chair. Obviously he isn't as invested in the results as I, or others, are but he is quite happy to pay his £34? and watch us play. QPR has been a cyclical experience of ups and downs for my whole life; we started in the 3rd division, went to the top, dropped back down to the 3rd division, went back up to the top and if we were to drop back down to the 3rd division it would stop me from being a fan, or stop me from going to games. To me it is part and parcel of being a QPR fan for life. I get the impression on occasions that it isn't QPR losing that gets people upset, it is having to deal with friends and colleagues who will take the piss and they can't deal with the affront to their masculinity and have to vent against QPR to make themselves feel better after a defeat. If the current set of board members disappears bill, just remember, you were there before they arrived and hopefully you will still be there when they are but another chapter in our history. Keep the blue and white hooped faith! Speaking of faith; Do you think we will avoid the drop this season?
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 9, 2020 11:31:09 GMT
When I hear things like the club want to pay for Warren Farm with a bond issue this makes me think that the directors have had enough of ploughing money into the club but without having fan representation on the board I would be very suspicious of embracing this. In my mind, this is akin to having a storage and distribution facility that needs, say, new fork trucks and want the fork truck drivers to use their own money to buy them but their reward will be that they can do more work and get more money when they have bought them. I am not sufficiently well versed in the intricacies of bond issues but, with one of the richest boards in the land, this has the sense of foreboding hanging around it for me. I am hoping to see Lee Hoos at the next couple of home games and if I do manage to I will ask him some direct yes or no questions about the boards commitment going forward and what impact Kamarudin & Ferdinand having to step back in the Air Asia business will have in their role as the senior members of the Tune Group. Diverting back to a question asked of me in another post; I am not happy with ALL the football I see every week, mainly based around a weak defence, but I am loving how we play and can't wait for matches these days. That hasn't happened for quite a number of years... a decade? and I am going to enjoy the hell out of it. I have brought an Aston Villa supporting friend to a couple of games in the last few months and he can't wait until his work schedule lets him come back for another game, he thinks we have some great players nd is a big fan of Eze and Chair. Obviously he isn't as invested in the results as I, or others, are but he is quite happy to pay his £34? and watch us play. QPR has been a cyclical experience of ups and downs for my whole life; we started in the 3rd division, went to the top, dropped back down to the 3rd division, went back up to the top and if we were to drop back down to the 3rd division it would stop me from being a fan, or stop me from going to games. To me it is part and parcel of being a QPR fan for life. I get the impression on occasions that it isn't QPR losing that gets people upset, it is having to deal with friends and colleagues who will take the piss and they can't deal with the affront to their masculinity and have to vent against QPR to make themselves feel better after a defeat. If the current set of board members disappears bill, just remember, you were there before they arrived and hopefully you will still be there when they are but another chapter in our history. Keep the blue and white hooped faith! Speaking of faith; Do you think we will avoid the drop this season? I don't think we will pick up many points in our next few fixtures so it will be squeaky bum time heading to May but there are teams with worse points per game, and worse current form than QPR that make me believe that we will avoid relegation. Even if things do look gloomy, we will need to keep MW and his coaches as they are the ones who are behind this concerted attempt to get QPR back to being a football team that isn't looking over its shoulder all the time to stave off financial ruin. There are enough rejects from other clubs coming through our academy to give me some hope for the future but I don't think we will see the likes of Eze again unless the footballing gods shine very brightly on us. * Edit. I just took a quick look and the bookies are offering between 20/1 and 40/1 for us to be relegated. Bookies aren't known for throwing money away.
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 9, 2020 11:37:39 GMT
if we go down, player values goes down, clubs worth goes down, ticket prices and director salary's should also go down.
the only glimmer of light from relegation is a clearout of the boardroom and hopfully #honesttone and co will finally throw in the towel and sell up.
to think that the clowncant bought a prem league team which was debt free, only to reduce our beloved to what it is now...........
#scraps
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 9, 2020 11:41:00 GMT
if we go down, player values goes down, clubs worth goes down, ticket prices and director salary's should also go down. the only glimmer of light from relegation is a clearout of the boardroom and hopfully #honesttone and co will finally throw in the towel and sell up. to think that the clowncant bought a prem league team which was debt free, only to reduce our beloved to what it is now........... #scraps And this is my point mate. We know every penny spent by the club is heavily scrutinised these days. With the exception it appears of what the Directors / C-Level guys are being paid. The cynic in me would say it's not surprising as Tony probably does exactly what Les tells him he needs to do.
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 9, 2020 11:44:46 GMT
if we go down, player values goes down, clubs worth goes down, ticket prices and director salary's should also go down. the only glimmer of light from relegation is a clearout of the boardroom and hopfully #honesttone and co will finally throw in the towel and sell up. to think that the clowncant bought a prem league team which was debt free, only to reduce our beloved to what it is now........... #scraps Any clues on who? A property developer?
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 9, 2020 11:52:12 GMT
if we go down, player values goes down, clubs worth goes down, ticket prices and director salary's should also go down. the only glimmer of light from relegation is a clearout of the boardroom and hopfully #honesttone and co will finally throw in the towel and sell up. to think that the clowncant bought a prem league team which was debt free, only to reduce our beloved to what it is now........... #scraps Any clues on who? A property developer? someone will rock up, they always do. bernie and flav found a village idiot, i'm sure amit and father inlaw have connections around the world.
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Post by Shania on Feb 9, 2020 12:01:22 GMT
I don't think we will pick up many points in our next few fixtures so it will be squeaky bum time heading to May but there are teams with worse points per game, and worse current form than QPR that make me believe that we will avoid relegation. Even if things do look gloomy, we will need to keep MW and his coaches as they are the ones who are behind this concerted attempt to get QPR back to being a football team that isn't looking over its shoulder all the time to stave off financial ruin. There are enough rejects from other clubs coming through our academy to give me some hope for the future but I don't think we will see the likes of Eze again unless the footballing gods shine very brightly on us. * Edit. I just took a quick look and the bookies are offering between 20/1 and 40/1 for us to be relegated. Bookies aren't known for throwing money away. Ok, some encouraging signs there. And let us hope for a win against Swansea. It can happen.
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 9, 2020 12:14:09 GMT
I don't think we will pick up many points in our next few fixtures so it will be squeaky bum time heading to May but there are teams with worse points per game, and worse current form than QPR that make me believe that we will avoid relegation. Even if things do look gloomy, we will need to keep MW and his coaches as they are the ones who are behind this concerted attempt to get QPR back to being a football team that isn't looking over its shoulder all the time to stave off financial ruin. There are enough rejects from other clubs coming through our academy to give me some hope for the future but I don't think we will see the likes of Eze again unless the footballing gods shine very brightly on us. * Edit. I just took a quick look and the bookies are offering between 20/1 and 40/1 for us to be relegated. Bookies aren't known for throwing money away. Ok, some encouraging signs there. And let us hope for a win against Swansea. It can happen. "encouraging signs" where? the bookies? give over, have you seen our defense along with only one striker in the squad. we are deep in the shit. maybe we should appoint william hill as our next manager if you find it encouraging.
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 9, 2020 12:31:11 GMT
Ok, some encouraging signs there. And let us hope for a win against Swansea. It can happen. "encouraging signs" where? the bookies? give over, have you seen our defense along with only one striker in the squad. we are deep in the shit. maybe we should appoint william hill as our next manager if you find it encouraging. You carry on as flag bearer for the Legion of Gloom and I'll carry on supporting QPR.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 12:35:54 GMT
"encouraging signs" where? the bookies? give over, have you seen our defense along with only one striker in the squad. we are deep in the shit. maybe we should appoint william hill as our next manager if you find it encouraging. You carry on as flag bearer for the Legion of Gloom and I'll carry on supporting QPR. 4 wins in 19 league games and top scorer gone with a defence that at best are suspect would suggest to me we are hovering around the brown stuff as that is recent form and fact.
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Post by hal9thou on Feb 9, 2020 12:50:50 GMT
to think that the clowncant bought a prem league team which was debt free, only to reduce our beloved to what it is now........... #scraps
For far too long people have been blind to the chaotic administration of this club vs previous incumbents.
Like I've said many times, the last lot were better on and off the park: better points ratio, tidier finances.
There's a potential property deal to be done and that's the be all and end all for them. They didn't have the suss at any stage to succeed in football.
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Post by Shania on Feb 9, 2020 13:41:44 GMT
Ok, some encouraging signs there. And let us hope for a win against Swansea. It can happen. "encouraging signs" where? the bookies? give over, have you seen our defense along with only one striker in the squad. we are deep in the shit. maybe we should appoint william hill as our next manager if you find it encouraging. I trust EL`s faith!
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Post by Bill on Feb 10, 2020 9:27:27 GMT
if we go down, player values goes down, clubs worth goes down, ticket prices and director salary's should also go down. the only glimmer of light from relegation is a clearout of the boardroom and hopfully #honesttone and co will finally throw in the towel and sell up. to think that the clowncant bought a prem league team which was debt free, only to reduce our beloved to what it is now........... #scraps Any clues on who? A property developer? Yes if we fall
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 10, 2020 13:31:37 GMT
according to our chief scout, ian butterworth, eventually sold to real madrid for 40 mil
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 13:37:13 GMT
according to our chief scout, ian butterworth, eventually sold to real madrid for 40 mil Knows his stuff then.
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 10, 2020 14:01:54 GMT
Always stories like that kicking about isn't there?
Didn't we once decide to sign Steve Morrow instead of Matt Elliot? I think we also passed up on John Barnes and Paulo Wanchope when they were youngsters.
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 10, 2020 18:18:25 GMT
Jim Smith said Wanchope couldn't play....if I remember right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 18:24:06 GMT
Jim Smith said Wanchope couldn't play....if I remember right. Think Stewart Houston was our manager who passed up Wanchope. Smith was at Derby when Wanchope scored at Old Trafford on his debut
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 10, 2020 18:29:06 GMT
Jim Smith said Wanchope couldn't play....if I remember right. Think Stewart Houston was our manager who passed up Wanchope. Smith was at Derby when Wanchope scored at Old Trafford on his debut Yes, I'd forgotten Houston. We got Sheron instead😁
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 19:37:18 GMT
Think Stewart Houston was our manager who passed up Wanchope. Smith was at Derby when Wanchope scored at Old Trafford on his debut Yes, I'd forgotten Houston. We got Sheron instead😁 Indeed we did Alan
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Post by esoxlucius on Feb 10, 2020 19:40:05 GMT
Jim Smith said Wanchope couldn't play....if I remember right. Wanchope and his national team mate Mauricio Solis were under Stuart Houston's managerial reign.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2020 9:46:35 GMT
Evil Les Wins Award - Not for being the most evilest man in the world, but something else
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Post by Brian Wilson on Mar 6, 2020 11:23:15 GMT
Most dastardly man in football #flagrantferdinand
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Post by esoxlucius on Mar 6, 2020 13:19:08 GMT
Most dastardly man in football #flagrantferdinand Why is he wasting time on shit like that when we need a couple of 20 goal a season freebie strikers ready for next season?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 6, 2020 13:33:32 GMT
Hope he wore gloves when received it.
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