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Post by West Acton on Jul 31, 2019 11:38:15 GMT
Its a no from me. Was poor oxford and Watford
Stop gap FB fair enough but not for a season
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 31, 2019 11:41:11 GMT
Its a no from me. Was poor oxford and Watford Stop gap FB fair enough but not for a season Fair enough mate. With Wallace to come back, and Kane that can also comfortably play Left Back I reckon we'll be OK in that position either way! |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 11, 2019 9:14:20 GMT
Just watched the goal back. What an absolute peach of a cross by Manning! So you have to give credit where it's due.
As I mentioned in the pub, he probably wouldn't be in the side if he wasn't left-footed, however until Wallace is fit I think we have to back him as decent enough cover until then. It makes you wonder about where Hamalainen figures in Warbs thoughts though. There is of course the option of playing Kane at LB, but I really liked the look of him on the right yesterday.
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Post by Corbray on Aug 11, 2019 10:37:05 GMT
i still think manning has the potential to be a better option at LB than wallace. wallace was a solid player up in scotland but the bulk of his peak years were spent in the lower leagues up there, he has barely played over the past 2 years and is 32 now.
manning didn't have the greatest game yesterday and failed to get forward as much as he did against stoke but he put in a determined effort and was clattered numerous times against huddersfield but kept on playing. our new system needs everyone to be good with the ball at their feet but i do think that manning is a better option than bidwell for sure
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Post by hubble on Aug 11, 2019 10:45:26 GMT
i still think manning has the potential to be a better option at LB than wallace. wallace was a solid player up in scotland but the bulk of his peak years were spent in the lower leagues up there, he has barely played over the past 2 years and is 32 now. manning didn't have the greatest game yesterday and failed to get forward as much as he did against stoke but he put in a determined effort and was clattered numerous times against huddersfield but kept on playing. our new system needs everyone to be good with the ball at their feet but i do think that manning is a better option than bidwell for sure Did you see Bidwell gave away a pen for the Swans yesterday? Funny to see him clogging away with them now! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 11:05:42 GMT
Would rather Manning than Bidwell.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 11, 2019 11:09:36 GMT
I didn't think Manning was great yesterday. Wastes the ball a lot and gets caught out of position. But it was his cross for the goal wasn't it?
Edit: Just saw Stan's post above. I suppose it's hard to be that critical of the lad when he's made an assist for our only goal yesterday. I do think he has a lot developing to do though!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 11:11:36 GMT
Decent ball in from him yesterday for the goal. While he is not great at LB he is half decent cover for Wallace.
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Post by Brian Wilson on Aug 11, 2019 13:53:10 GMT
Wallace is 32 and has played in Scotland his whole career. He might be the next Clint Hill but I think it's a good idea to back the 23 year old learning a new position under a new system for at least 10 games before getting on his back.
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Post by davieqpr on Aug 11, 2019 14:57:06 GMT
Manning saw awful lot of the ball first half as he was left alone on the left. Didn't quite make the most of it. Kane showed how a wing back should play. Manning needs to stop giving away so many free kicks regardless of position but he will learn. Jury is still out for me. Some good ,some not so good.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 11, 2019 15:10:29 GMT
Manning saw awful lot of the ball first half as he was left alone on the left. Didn't quite make the most of it. Kane showed how a wing back should play. Manning needs to stop giving away so many free kicks regardless of position but he will learn. Jury is still out for me. Some good ,some not so good. Yeah, totally agree mate. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Aug 12, 2019 8:57:51 GMT
Manning would benefit from someone running outside him when he gets up the pitch. First half he had limited options available.
Should really have BOS in front of him for 90 mins.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 12, 2019 9:11:44 GMT
Manning would benefit from someone running outside him when he gets up the pitch. First half he had limited options available. Should really have BOS in front of him for 90 mins. This is a good point. But Manning's go to when he didn't have an option on in front of him often seemed to be a speculative punt forward. What's wrong with playing an easy ball if there is nobody making a run in front of him? Keeping possession is better that giving away a goal kick or just simply losing the ball. That was my one gripe about Saturday, there were a couple of players out there that you just knew there was 50/50 chance of them giving it away cheaply when the ball went to them. When Kane came on he showed what a decent full back should be doing in possession. He was up and down that that line, he looked dangerous with the ball at his feet and he never looked likely to surrender it too cheap. 2 games in though, a few players aren't quite fit yet and the manager is still feeling things out. But personally, I think we have to be looking beyond Manning and Scowen. We have better footballers in the squad, and we could be a really good side this year if we address the few areas that weren't quite right on Saturday. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Aug 12, 2019 12:38:06 GMT
Tarbs mate, I don't think you will be getting much support for your views on Manning. After the game I hang around while Dave sells his mags and get to chat to around 25-30 people most games and where Manning was mentioned it was to say what a good option he is at LB and think he will keep his place until injured. Interestingly, Whoscored.com had him as our second best player statistically so it is difficult to see where you are coming from with this. IMO, he did a hell of a lot more well on Saturday than he got wrong and, as he is learning the position on the job, with Warburtons coaching he will only improve there. Scowen is a bit of a concern but it is only two games into the season for him in a new role. Maybe he won't be able to cut the mustard there but as I mentioned elsewhere, when a player is having a bit of a rough trot think back to all the times he played well for us, plus with Scowen he doesn't lack heart or commitment.
For me this season I am trying my hardest to only focus on the good and whilst not totally ignoring the bad, I will be underplaying it. It's a brand new team just about and I think we have been fucking lucky so far how well we have started the season so it seems really niggardly to look for faults in the players whilst they settle into the new system.
I don't mean this to sound like a personal attack on you, it isn't! I'll happily stop and have a long old chinwag with you before or after games if you see me outside. LOL
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 12, 2019 12:49:34 GMT
Fair enough mate.
But what's a site like this for if not to critique, analyse and give your opinion? I've given mine above, and do bear in mind the one that you took offense to (me calling Scowen shite), was posted after a good few jars watching the game. Alan and Westy will tell you, I'm not one of the boo-boys, I support properly and don't get on players back whilst at the games. At the same time, I don't see the harm in being critical on a platform like this, in fact it's probably the right place to air your opinions. Better to get it off your chest on here than spout shit and attack players/staff on Twitter like many do.
Specifically with regard to Manning, I know other fans see it differently. That's how it is, isn't it? Opinions are subjective. Some people slated Amos this weekend, but I never saw that at all. I thought he looked busy and on the whole, pretty tidy with his passing and most of what he did. Opinions at the end of the day, ain't it?
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Post by spongeparr on Aug 12, 2019 12:55:12 GMT
I thought Manning played well. He tried to support where he can but he was limited due to a lack of options going forward (width wise). He was clearly told to cross the ball earlier for Hugill as well. I like that he whips in a ball rather than floating it in.
Happy for him to be our LB. Only seen him play a couple of times there but has impressed every time. His positioning is still better than Furlongs.
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Post by Corbray on Aug 12, 2019 13:55:48 GMT
Fair enough mate. But what's a site like this for if not to critique, analyse and give your opinion? I've given mine above, and do bear in the one that you took offense to (me calling Scowen shite), was posted after a good few jars watching the game. Alan and Westy will tell you, I'm not one of the boo-boys, I support properly and don't get on players back whilst at the games. At the same time, I don't see the harm in being critical on a platform like this, in fact it's probably the right place to air your opinions. Better to get it off your chest on here than spout shit and attack players/staff on Twitter like many do. Specifically with regard to Manning, I know other fans see it differently. That's how it is, isn't it? Opinions are subjective. Some people slated Amos this weekend, but I never saw that at all. I thought he looked busy and on the whole, pretty tidy with his passing and most of what he did. Opinions at the end of the day, ain't it? whoscored.com and those other stat sites are fairly nonsense for thr most part imo. a player having 10 shots on goal and covering a shit tonne of distance makes no difference is he can't score and does nothing, like conor washington for example. i am a big fan of manning at LB but hes gotta be given time. i haven't seen anyone jumping on him yet, most people seem to just think that we can do better at LB and not that manning is hopeless there. with our current squad i just don't see who can do a better job there with our style of play and that manning is doing an solid job in a position hes rarely played. heck, i think when we signed him originally he was coming in as an attacking midfielder! very versatile player eitherway but i'm enjoying his displays at LB. hes gotta be more confident going forward and linking up with his winger though but its still early days |
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 12, 2019 14:03:35 GMT
What's a site like this for if not to critique, analyse and give your opinion? I've given mine above...I don't see the harm in being critical on a platform like this, in fact it's probably the right place to air your opinions. Better to get it off your chest on here than spout shit and attack players/staff on Twitter like many do....Specifically with regard to Manning, I know other fans see it differently. That's how it is, isn't it?....Opinions at the end of the day, ain't it? Wise words Tarbie, couldn't agree more. The very ethos and spirit of this forum, in fact. Healthy, open and honest debate is all good. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 12, 2019 19:21:12 GMT
Various reports linking him with Newcastle and Soton this January, with his contract up next summer but with an option to extend. Seems to have originated from a Newcastle source revealing to 'Football Insider'.
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Post by Corbray on Oct 12, 2019 21:02:30 GMT
Various reports linking him with interest from Newcastle and Soton this January, with his contract up next summer but with an option to extend. Seems to have originated from a Newcastle source revealing to 'Football Insider'. southampton too apparently. cant see it myself, especially for the 2-3m banded around which would be laughable especially as we're on course to pass FFP and manning is arguebly one of our best players this season with no real replacement either. i think we'd only sell if we got an offer of 8m+ as its gotta be worth our while and hes been outstanding at LB. very modern day LB |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 12, 2019 21:24:29 GMT
When you think he couldn't get into the side last season and underwhelmed on loan at Rotherham. Amazing what a difference a good manager can make to a player.
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Post by acricketer on Oct 12, 2019 21:49:24 GMT
When you think he couldn't get into the side last season and underwhelmed on loan at Rotherham. Amazing what a difference a good manager can make to a player. Pep G has a reputation for improving players. Jose not so much. Both top managers. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 12, 2019 21:56:38 GMT
When you think he couldn't get into the side last season and underwhelmed on loan at Rotherham. Amazing what a difference a good manager can make to a player. Pep G has a reputation for improving players. Jose not so much. Both top managers. But in this case it's pretty clear Warburton has been the main catalyst, wouldn't you agree? |
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Post by acricketer on Oct 12, 2019 22:39:02 GMT
Pep G has a reputation for improving players. Jose not so much. Both top managers. But in this case it's pretty clear Warburton has been the main catalyst, wouldn't you agree? Certainly given him a chance and alongside Wallace's injury has seized his opportunity. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Oct 13, 2019 6:25:03 GMT
But in this case it's pretty clear Warburton has been the main catalyst, wouldn't you agree? Certainly given him a chance and alongside Wallace's injury has seized his opportunity. Yes, the Wallace signing was likely another factor in Manning upping his game further. |
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 13, 2019 8:20:51 GMT
Various reports linking him with Newcastle and Soton this January, with his contract up next summer but with an option to extend. Seems to have originated from a Newcastle source revealing to 'Football Insider'. The cynic in mean would say that these rumours probably originated from his agent, trying to build a case for favourable contract renewal. Not a chance is Manning good enough for the Premier League, not now anyway. Maybe he will be one day, but he has got a long, long way to go in his football education. |
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Post by West Acton on Oct 13, 2019 8:50:08 GMT
Did he not extend?
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Post by Tarbie on Oct 13, 2019 9:11:30 GMT
Don't think so mate. I think he signed a 2 and a half year deal Jan 2017 with an option for 1 more year. Probably peanuts too. Wouldn't surprise me if his agent was in the clubs ear!
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Oct 13, 2019 10:48:00 GMT
On a side note it would be nice to see Wallace actually play!!
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Post by acricketer on Oct 13, 2019 12:07:07 GMT
On a side note it would be nice to see Wallace actually play!! More chance of seeing Mel Gibson!! |
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