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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 29, 2024 16:35:00 GMT
Hayden offers no resale value, high wages and so doesn't suit the way the club are currently operating. If we are short at the last minute and Newcastle subsidise the majority of the wages then it might be the option at that point. But we do need the odd player that’s an investment for success not resale. Cook and Hayden wouldn’t be excessive but if it does come down to wages over to you Isaac. Agree with this. If he is holding out for Newcastle style wages then there's nothing for us to talk about but Cook and Colback are probably the only two starters who you would call deeply experienced in this league/ level. Bergovic, Uncle etc all gone. The likes of Chair and Field probably count as "experienced" in our squad but a few seasons ago they were in development teams. You do need a few leaders - particularly given how fragile we are - and he was one for sure. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jul 29, 2024 16:47:12 GMT
Hayden offers no resale value, high wages and so doesn't suit the way the club are currently operating. If we are short at the last minute and Newcastle subsidise the majority of the wages then it might be the option at that point. wouldn’t be excessive but if it does come down to wages over to you Isaac. Very much so. Fox too. Important to blend it with some experience |
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Post by Rexpat on Jul 29, 2024 16:52:39 GMT
Agreed. The benefits of having Clint and Lord Derry were pivotal
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Post by Rexpat on Jul 29, 2024 16:54:31 GMT
Sorry, my comment refers to Cook Fox and Hayden.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jul 30, 2024 8:30:32 GMT
Varane looks technically decent from the few clips I've seen of him, which makes a huge difference from our current "combative" midfielders who struggle to play through the lines at times. Given the reported £1.2m fee, it's safe to assume that his wages are a fraction of Hayden's, making the transfer fee viable. Even if he's on £15k PW, over 3 years (including the fee) we're saving £1.8m compared with Hayden's apparent £35k PW demands. That's also based on the assumption we were to get Hayden for free, with no sign-on bonus, which is unlikely. This, plus the resale potential value (even if sold at a loss) and the "big name" on the back of the shirt would appear to make the move quite an astute one on the business side. He's unconventional, but there's a reason that Real Madrid, Barcelona etc are still paying Nourry for all his previous work! With Hayden think what he was pushing for was Newcastle to buy up his contract and he would then be free to negotiate his own deal. Am sure he realises he is never going to get anything like 35k again. The sticking point is probably Newcastle thinking "why the hell should we buy up your entire contact?" - similar to our attitude to Richards. If they loan him out they likely get some other club to pay a proportion of his wages. |
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Post by Tarbie on Jul 30, 2024 8:41:18 GMT
Varane looks technically decent from the few clips I've seen of him, which makes a huge difference from our current "combative" midfielders who struggle to play through the lines at times. Given the reported £1.2m fee, it's safe to assume that his wages are a fraction of Hayden's, making the transfer fee viable. Even if he's on £15k PW, over 3 years (including the fee) we're saving £1.8m compared with Hayden's apparent £35k PW demands. That's also based on the assumption we were to get Hayden for free, with no sign-on bonus, which is unlikely. This, plus the resale potential value (even if sold at a loss) and the "big name" on the back of the shirt would appear to make the move quite an astute one on the business side. He's unconventional, but there's a reason that Real Madrid, Barcelona etc are still paying Nourry for all his previous work! With Hayden think what he was pushing for was Newcastle to buy up his contract and he would then be free to negotiate his own deal. Am sure he realises he is never going to get anything like 35k again. The sticking point is probably Newcastle thinking "why the hell should we buy up your entire contact?" - similar to our attitude to Richards. If they loan him out they likely get some other club to pay a proportion of his wages. Exactly this. Newcastle will probably hold on until the end of the window to see what happens. If nobody offers to genuinely take him off the wage bill I'd imagine they'll take whatever they can in terms of a loan deal. |
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Post by qprcelona on Jul 30, 2024 11:05:58 GMT
Varane looks technically decent from the few clips I've seen of him, which makes a huge difference from our current "combative" midfielders who struggle to play through the lines at times. Given the reported £1.2m fee, it's safe to assume that his wages are a fraction of Hayden's, making the transfer fee viable. Even if he's on £15k PW, over 3 years (including the fee) we're saving £1.8m compared with Hayden's apparent £35k PW demands. That's also based on the assumption we were to get Hayden for free, with no sign-on bonus, which is unlikely. This, plus the resale potential value (even if sold at a loss) and the "big name" on the back of the shirt would appear to make the move quite an astute one on the business side. He's unconventional, but there's a reason that Real Madrid, Barcelona etc are still paying Nourry for all his previous work! With Hayden think what he was pushing for was Newcastle to buy up his contract and he would then be free to negotiate his own deal. Am sure he realises he is never going to get anything like 35k again. The sticking point is probably Newcastle thinking "why the hell should we buy up your entire contact?" - similar to our attitude to Richards. If they loan him out they likely get some other club to pay a proportion of his wages. Even if Newcastle buy him out, he'll become a free agent and will want a sign-on fee from the new club to make up for the reduction in wages. If he genuinely wanted out of Newcastle and money wasn't a factor, he'd be happy for them to sell him for a nominal fee and take a wage cut with his new club avoiding a sign-on fee. Reading between the lines, it's not playing out like that because he wants to be paid up in full by NUFC, then get the sign on bonus + new deal - meaning he loses out on very little money overall. Not knocking it as Newcastle ultimately gave him that contract in the first place, but you can see why we've moved onto other targets. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Aug 4, 2024 18:11:53 GMT
tbh if varane comes good i'd prefer him over hayden. very similar players but varane is much younger and will be on much less wages. Would be stupid to loan/sign Hayden now. |
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Post by The General on Aug 8, 2024 16:55:32 GMT
Issac Hayden available on loan now
Newcastle have just advised this
Still think we need him personally
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Post by Norfolk Ranger on Aug 8, 2024 17:21:14 GMT
We don't need Hayden as have enough Def midfielders. Surely what budget we have left goes on attacking players.
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Post by West Acton on Aug 8, 2024 17:55:50 GMT
If we can get Hayden back on loan I’m doing that deal as his impact and influence was clear to all. IMO he was was the only Jan signing who had a proper ongoing impact. I would actually look to move someone out if it allowed his return and it was a choice between one and another.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 10, 2024 10:14:49 GMT
I reckon this loan deal will be back on in the coming days.
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Post by awin on Aug 10, 2024 10:17:49 GMT
I reckon this loan deal will be back on in the coming days. But why? Where does he fit in the team now let alone the wages? |
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 10, 2024 10:21:20 GMT
He’s better than Colback for a start
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 10, 2024 10:28:51 GMT
If the aim is to have two players competing for each position, it would be Hayden, Varane, Field and Colback competing for the two DM positions.
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Post by alanwycombe on Aug 10, 2024 10:32:30 GMT
I’d call that healthy for such a demanding position. Squad game.
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 10, 2024 10:34:50 GMT
I reckon this loan deal will be back on in the coming days. But why? Where does he fit in the team now let alone the wages? Well nobody is gonna pick up his wages mate. Newcastle have been holding out to try and get him off the wage bill, but no clubs are having it. As such, they'll take a contribution of his salary rather than paying all of it while he sits in the ressies. As for why we'd be interested, he's a useful option. As Al says, better than Colback in centre mid and can cover at the back as well. |
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Post by awin on Aug 10, 2024 10:37:36 GMT
If the aim is to have two players competing for each position, it would be Hayden, Varane, Field and Colback competing for the two DM positions. And in theory DB. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2024 10:50:19 GMT
If the aim is to have two players competing for each position, it would be Hayden, Varane, Field and Colback competing for the two DM positions. If we want to be competing in the top half. this is what we need. trying to rely on 3 players for 2 key positions and then dropping down to the back up squad leaves us exposed. Hayden would be the best and most experienced of those 4 named and should walk straight into the team . Without him we have Varane who will need to adapt to the Championship Field and Colback. Colback is a red card waiting to happen, then either Varane or Field pick up a knock and we are down to one. It's all about building a squad and we need a bit of experience in there to balance things out |
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Post by Corbray on Aug 10, 2024 10:52:13 GMT
colback is past it imo. looks well off the pace and should be a squad player at best this season. that means we only really have varane, field and then EDB as the options for sitting. don't really see EDB as a holding midfielder though so we do need another player for depth in midfield.
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Post by awin on Aug 10, 2024 11:08:54 GMT
colback is past it imo. looks well off the pace and should be a squad player at best this season. that means we only really have varane, field and then EDB as the options for sitting. don't really see EDB as a holding midfielder though so we do need another player for depth in midfield. Agreed as long as it doesn't impact financially in the search for creativity. |
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Post by Tarbie on Aug 10, 2024 11:11:03 GMT
colback is past it imo. looks well off the pace and should be a squad player at best this season. that means we only really have varane, field and then EDB as the options for sitting. don't really see EDB as a holding midfielder though so we do need another player for depth in midfield. Agreed as long as it doesn't impact financially in the search for creativity. I'm sure we're OK financially. Quite a few went off the wage bill and I expect we are going to see a windfall at some stage before the window shuts, either through Eze moving or 1 or more of Dykes, Paal and JCS moving on. |
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Post by boboqpr on Aug 10, 2024 12:17:25 GMT
If Hayden is available. Yes please.
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Post by Hitman34 on Aug 10, 2024 15:30:49 GMT
colback is past it imo. looks well off the pace and should be a squad player at best this season. that means we only really have varane, field and then EDB as the options for sitting. don't really see EDB as a holding midfielder though so we do need another player for depth in midfield. really liked him last season but with the two pre season friendlies and now today, jack has disappeared from our midfield and nowhere to be seen. Was cheering him on today but he just did not show up. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 10, 2024 15:37:14 GMT
If Nourry can work his magic and off-load Paal, Dykes and Cannon I hope that would free up enough money. The stats show he was a v major reason for last season’s revival
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Post by Stanley75 on Aug 10, 2024 15:41:37 GMT
If Nourry can work his magic and off-load Paal, Dykes and Cannon I hope that would free up enough money. The stats show he was a v major reason for last season’s revival Not just stats Stains, to me it was crystal clear to see in his performances alone. |
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Aug 10, 2024 15:46:07 GMT
If Nourry can work his magic and off-load Paal, Dykes and Cannon I hope that would free up enough money. The stats show he was a v major reason for last season’s revival Not just stats Stains, to me it was crystal clear to see in his performances alone. This is true also. He just did a lot of the stuff that maybe some fans don’t notice (you obvs did!). Our win percentage with him in the team was insane, as were things like defensive blocks, defensive headers etc. Not necessarily the best going forward but if we do bring in those attacking midfielders we simply need the holding players to block the ball and release our flair players. Would make us a compelling team IMHO |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Aug 10, 2024 16:30:05 GMT
I would give Varane a chance to impress in the 2-3 following games before window closes. Creative midfielder our top priority imo.
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Post by The General on Aug 10, 2024 18:00:38 GMT
Varane and Haden can play together in the middle
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Aug 10, 2024 22:08:18 GMT
Need him for underrated value of know how!
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