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Post by Hitman34 on Oct 27, 2020 21:26:56 GMT
He couldn't open a farking door. The fella is absolutely rot. He is up there with some of our all time forever r's alongside justin channing, steve morrow, will keane and el kant. #DROSS After watching tonight I sadly have to make you right, hits. #oi, carroll, nooooooooooooooooooooo |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Oct 27, 2020 21:27:12 GMT
He's just fucking shite ain't he?
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Post by 1qprdk on Oct 27, 2020 22:32:29 GMT
"I´d be up there like a shot": oi, carroll, nooooooooooooooooooooo "I admire your uncanny ability to get a high pass completion rate by passing the ball seemlesly back to the defenders and goalie without turning your head, and your fine singing voice, but that is not an excuse for those poor forward passes, that´s ruining our counter attacks, you filthy deranged Swansea-reject. I´d give him a slap!" |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 7, 2020 8:43:02 GMT
Honestly, most of the criticism I've seen here is pretty groundless. Seems to be mainly based on a prejudiced perception of his stint with us 7 years ago. Very different player now. Obviously he's no world beater but I do believe some are just seeing what they want to see. Some of his passing, off the ball work and link up play against Derby was excellent (and not just that game but several before too) and yet he's barely had any credit. On the contrary, just scathing remarks.
Notice too how he always has his head up and always aware of what's around him. It's also partly down to a lot of his role is the unnoticed and yet vital kind of midfield work. People also overlook that there's actually no one else in the squad who can perform that role, including Ball and Cameron. They're both different types of players with other strengths, and besides, you need two central midfielders anyway, even if one is more advanced and one deeper.
Rant over! 😂
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Post by West Acton on Nov 7, 2020 10:50:14 GMT
I’m guilty of being one of those critics Stan who judged opinion of his signing on his performances first time round. He has defo evolved and I can see value he brings to the team.
He’s steady, never going to be a world beater or dance round three four players but he has his role.
Thought midweek was his best effort in our shirt
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Post by West Acton on Nov 22, 2020 15:57:24 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Nov 22, 2020 16:08:16 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 22, 2020 16:37:49 GMT
Problem I have with these stats is that a pass back to Barbet, run across the back four, collect it and give it Kane etc. all counts as successful passes but go nowhere. 4 key passes would have got people questioning Luongo's place in the team. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 22, 2020 17:23:39 GMT
Bit harsh saying he’s passing backwards. Think your basing that opinion in the Main when he was here first time round. I think he’s more forward thinking currently from what I’m seeing this far
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 22, 2020 17:48:29 GMT
Not really mate, I just don't see him threatening often enough. You agree, rightly, that our strikers don't get the service so one key pass (presumably that means attacking or dangerous) every 20 mins is disappointing. I'm no great fan of stats as you know😁... Can make them say what you want. One prem team yesterday, think it was Brighton, never left their hotel according to the stats but got all the points.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 22, 2020 18:21:14 GMT
Not really mate, I just don't see him threatening often enough. You agree, rightly, that our strikers don't get the service so one key pass (presumably that means attacking or dangerous) every 20 mins is disappointing. I'm no great fan of stats as you know😁... Can make them say what you want. One prem team yesterday, think it was Brighton, never left their hotel according to the stats but got all the points. why single him out for not being threatening. What about wingers and chair that’s their primary role. Would argue Carroll primary role is to retain and circulate the play if he can open up teams all the better. Key passes he was No1 of both sides on pitch. What more could he do as that suggests he offered more then our creative players and Watford’s. I’m not his biggest fan but can appreciate role he’s playing and look beyond how he performed first time with us. Far superior player now |
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 22, 2020 18:31:11 GMT
Not singling him out just responding to the stats post.
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Nov 22, 2020 21:27:22 GMT
I thought the majority of the 9 crosses Carroll put in were sublime. Pity there was no one on the end of them.
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 23, 2020 11:43:47 GMT
The assist for Dykes (though ruled off) was brilliant. Carrol looked good. You can't make something happen without movement so I think he did well. Not really sure what some people are expecting from him? Or anyone in the deeper role?
Keeps possession and looks for a forward pass when it's possible. Can't build if he just aimlessly pumps it forward to no one.
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Nov 23, 2020 12:59:32 GMT
I think Carroll was one of our best players on Saturday. He looks far more effective than when we last had him.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 23, 2020 13:04:40 GMT
The assist for Dykes (though ruled off) was brilliant. Carrol looked good. You can't make something happen without movement so I think he did well. Not really sure what some people are expecting from him? Or anyone in the deeper role?Keeps possession and looks for a forward pass when it's possible. Can't build if he just aimlessly pumps it forward to no one. Exactly the point which some seem to miss. He's a deep-lying midfielder, not an AM. So for that role he does it really well and has been a good and astute signing. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Nov 23, 2020 15:32:47 GMT
I almost hated him during his previous stint but he has improved and I understand his role now. A much better version of him plays in the other Rangers, though.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 23, 2020 15:59:47 GMT
I almost hated him during his previous stint but he has improved and I understand his role now. A much better version of him plays in the other Rangers, though. this really summarises my feelings. Not impressed at all first time round snd if honest expected more of the same. But can see he’s evolved and developed into better player then I had previously watched Not a game changer but very steady, prob a 6/7 out of ten week in week out |
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Post by Bill on Nov 23, 2020 16:38:56 GMT
Goes missing to often for me and his physicality is lacking.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 16:59:56 GMT
A basic requirement of a deep lying M/F player should be the ability to win the ball in a challenge..Carroll is currently a stop gap in that position as he’s certainly unable to meet that requirement so as said before a luxury player.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Nov 23, 2020 17:06:16 GMT
A basic requirement of a deep lying M/F player should be the ability to win the ball in a challenge..Carroll is currently a stop gap in that position as he’s certainly unable to meet that requirement so as said before a luxury player. That's how it's usually seen. But have a look at Glen Kamara, for example. Never wins a challenge but is the best defensive player in Finnish national team as he keeps possession extremely well, especially under pressure. Think Carroll has a similar role. |
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Post by 72bus on Nov 23, 2020 17:46:23 GMT
TC plays to safe for me , cant stand all that 20 passes and still have the ball in our half. you kind of know what hes going to do with the ball before he does it , needs to take a risk now and then
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Post by West Acton on Nov 23, 2020 17:53:49 GMT
Good point on the risk 72 would be nice to see bit more chance taking but for that I would argue needs the movement ahead of him.
His movement off the ball is what’s caught my eye always shows and finds space.
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Post by West Acton on Nov 23, 2020 17:55:33 GMT
Good point on the risk 72 would be nice to see bit more chance taking but for that I would argue needs the movement ahead of him.
His movement off the ball is what’s caught my eye always shows and finds space.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 23, 2020 18:19:11 GMT
Good point on the risk 72 would be nice to see bit more chance taking but for that I would argue needs the movement ahead of him. His movement off the ball is what’s caught my eye always shows and finds space. Good point on the risk 72 would be nice to see bit more chance taking but for that I would argue needs the movement ahead of him. His movement off the ball is what’s caught my eye always shows and finds space. Such excellent points Wests they needed to be posted twice, just to ram them home. 👍 |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Nov 24, 2020 9:30:06 GMT
I am not watching the same games then because I have seen him make several good passes into dangerous areas this season.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 24, 2020 10:09:21 GMT
I am not watching the same games then No, you are watching the same games that many are now beginning to see, the more they understand his position, strengths, and the specific role he plays. |
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Post by West Acton on Nov 24, 2020 12:40:40 GMT
I am not watching the same games then because I have seen him make several good passes into dangerous areas this season. this was me with Manning 🤣😂 I saw a lazy player who was Always out of position and freeloading who wanted to cheat his way through a game instead of work hard. Others saw bleeding Ashley Cole 🤣😂 |
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Post by Greg1882 on Nov 24, 2020 14:09:33 GMT
Think he’s a far better player this time round. Still frustrates me with the pointless passing for passings sake and doesn’t mind giving it away from time to time. What’s frustrating is he clearly has the quality, that cross for dykes was outrageous and if tarrabt had done that plenty would be creaming over it. Also played a lovely chip into the box at the weekend which created a good chance. Would just like to see him be a bit braver going forward, there’s times he looks cock on to shoot and instead plays a sideways ball. That goes for a lot of our players tbf
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 24, 2020 16:37:42 GMT
Think he’s a far better player this time round. Still frustrates me with the pointless passing for passings sake and doesn’t mind giving it away from time to time. What’s frustrating is he clearly has the quality, that cross for dykes was outrageous and if tarrabt had done that plenty would be creaming over it. Also played a lovely chip into the box at the weekend which created a good chance. Would just like to see him be a bit braver going forward, there’s times he looks cock on to shoot and instead plays a sideways ball. That goes for a lot of our players tbf As someone who remains unconvinced about him I think that is a very fair and reasonable post. |
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