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Post by Shania on Jan 13, 2021 12:26:29 GMT
I hope his knee is OK. He played the full match last night didn`t he?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 21:23:37 GMT
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Post by West Acton on Jan 20, 2021 21:24:23 GMT
Jesus awful news if true. Defo need get someone in at that rate
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Post by acricketer on Jan 20, 2021 21:28:01 GMT
Serious injury then. Shame was one of our better performers so far this season and happens just as we seem to be turning a corner.
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 20, 2021 21:28:48 GMT
Might not be terrible news Westy. No option but to buy a playmaker now.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 20, 2021 21:29:57 GMT
Might be the last we see of him as he was I my signed for season??
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Post by Tarbie on Jan 20, 2021 21:31:56 GMT
Serious injury then. Shame was one of our better performers so far this season and happens just as we seem to be turning a corner. Depressing that we are considering him one of our better players of the season. He's been pretty underwhelming for me. As much as I wanted to convince myself otherwise when he signed, I haven't seen much to suggest he's developed that much as a player since we had him here first time. Not nice to see anyone get injured, but as I said above, forces us to go buy a new playmaker now. Hopefully we have some targets in mind! |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Jan 21, 2021 0:13:58 GMT
Warbs interview said a few weeks ao maybe not the end of him. Losing Amos and him is pretty unlucky as they are both players that see a lot of the ball and make us tick imo
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Post by Bill on Feb 11, 2021 17:03:49 GMT
Results been better without LTC Stanley
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 11, 2021 17:21:40 GMT
To be fair to hits I don't think anyone wants someone wearing Hoops to fail but you don't have to think they are all heroes either. I hope Dykes gets a hattrick on Saturday - it won't make it suddenly all OK but it will suggest he can get better. The fact remains that he is a non-striking striker who is very lucky to have been given so long without someone else getting a chance. And one assist in 25 doesn't make him a valuable member of the team as rscot keeps banging on about (while he nit-picks about Chair, which is absurd in comparison). Hits wrote off LTC earlier in the season too but I'm sure, as any genuine QPR fan, he (and many others) were delighted to be proved wrong there...and doubtless the same would apply to Dykes...just as I'm sure he was delighted with Warnock when he got us promoted!!  Whilst I'm not trying to encourage blind negativity towards any of our players, do you reckon Carroll has been decent then? Been a bit disappointed myself. Expected more than he's offered on the whole. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 11, 2021 17:31:07 GMT
do you reckon Carroll has been decent then? The general consensus on here seems to think so and I would definitely concur with that. Definitely not the player we had in his previous stint. Read through the last couple of pages of this thread for more of an idea. |
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 11, 2021 22:53:39 GMT
Talented footballer mate, keeps things neat and tidy. Probably improved a bit since when we first had him here, but I still expected more. It's a results business and he hasn't scored anything or had many assists. In general our midfield creates close to nothing. It's all well and good having a nice touch here and there, but does Carroll actually bring anything tangible to the team? We've actually been better without him as it's forced us to go a bit more direct.
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 11, 2021 23:04:43 GMT
The assist for Dykes (though ruled off) was brilliant. Carrol looked good. You can't make something happen without movement so I think he did well. Not really sure what some people are expecting from him? Or anyone in the deeper role?Keeps possession and looks for a forward pass when it's possible. Can't build if he just aimlessly pumps it forward to no one. Exactly the point which some seem to miss. He's a deep-lying midfielder, not an AM. So for that role he does it really well and has been a good and astute signing. Don't buy this either. Pirlo was the ultimate Deep Lying Playmaker and he was regularly in the goals and assists. Tiago at Liverpool too. Deep Lying Playmaker but he plays balls that split open defences. What Carroll does is sit deep, keep the ball and knock a nice tidy pass to the chap next to him. Fair, play, it's better than Cameron who typically slices it to the opposition, but at least Cameron nicks a goal or 2 from set pieces and does his bit defensively. I just don't see what Carroll actually brings. He's like an another Esteban Granero. A player with good technical skills but basically brings nothing tangible to the team. |
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Post by alanwycombe on Feb 12, 2021 9:45:50 GMT
I was one who didn't rate him and got to thinking he does help us keep the ball, but we do get forward quicker without him and that does seem to suit us much better. If we continue with 3 at the back and 2 up where does he play? Amos should be where Ball plays and, ordinary as Ball is, he does at least knock a few over when we're attacked and Carroll will never do that.
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 12, 2021 10:02:05 GMT
brings nothing tangible to the team. Not having that at all mate. Don't know how many games you've watched. I've not missed any and he was easily our best MF until his injury, away to Luton where he pulled all the strings and we won 0-2. We played 3-5-2 in that game too. Game before that, 1-1 away to the leaders, Norwich. Also 3-5-2 and he was excellent there too. Johansen has picked up the baton since he's been out. |
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Post by Corbray on Feb 12, 2021 10:22:14 GMT
think he's been pretty solid if not good for us in his second spell, plus his set pieces are a lot better than chair's.
some games he passes it sideways or backwards too much but there's others where he's pulled off some great passes
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Post by rscot on Feb 12, 2021 10:34:08 GMT
The way the system works, it’s Chair who you’d expect the incisive, defence splitting pass to come from, shots from the edge of the box etc. I thought Carroll looked good (from what I can remember) in the 3/5/2 (3-4-1-2) in the games just before he got injured. Of course it would be better if he did move the ball forward quicker on occasion. I think there is a place in the squad for him, I think some games against certain teams would suit him better than others, I don’t think the Blackburn game on Saturday would’ve suited him, I think Johansen is a better option in those type of battling, physical games.
At the very least I think he’s a good option to have off the bench and in the squad generally. Let’s say for instance, he was available on Saturday against Rotherham, but Johansen starts and he’s on the bench. QPR go 2 up around the hour mark, I’d be tempted to take of Chair and put on Carroll (assuming that Johansen can see the game out) to 1, revert to a more traditional midfield 3, bolster the midfield and stop the opposition pushing the team back 2, give Chair a rest for the next game, this game is won, he’s done his job, 3, retain possession and make it difficult for the opposition to get a hold of the ball for any amount of meaningful time. In this situation you’d expect Johansen to link up with the forward line more, act as a box-box midfielder
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Post by Hitman34 on Feb 12, 2021 13:46:39 GMT
in the team, we were losing more often than not.
out injured, we are unbeaten in last 6 games.
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Post by 1qprdk on Feb 12, 2021 14:03:33 GMT
Only missed last 4. I think absence of BOS is what helps us most. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 12, 2021 14:33:01 GMT
Results been better without LTC Stanley 😃 Not really Bill. As said above, last two games before the injury we drew away to leaders Norwich and won away to Luton, both games he starred in. Discussing how he'd have fared after that is moot as no one will ever know, but he and the team were certainly on a roll. As others have commented there's plenty of other factors that contributed to the good form continuing other than pointing to his injury. |
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 12, 2021 18:53:04 GMT
brings nothing tangible to the team. Not having that at all mate. Don't know how many games you've watched. I've not missed any and he was easily our best MF until his injury, away to Luton where he pulled all the strings and we won 0-2. We played 3-5-2 in that game too. Game before that, 1-1 away to the leaders, Norwich. Also 3-5-2 and he was excellent there too. Johansen has picked up the baton since he's been out. I've watched every game too mate. Although admittedly I may not have always been watching as intently as I have done in previous seasons. Life has become significantly more stressful and has involved a lot more work in the last 6 months than the life I had for the 3 prior seasons. Clearly our opinions differ a bit on this one though. For me, someone who is genuinely pulling the strings would have amassed more than 1 assist and no goals in 22 appearances. What's the argument here? If we assessed the person who played the ball to the guy that made the assist then all of a sudden I'd see Carroll's worth to the team? I suppose this might be a valid argument, but for me it probably just highlights how little he brings to the team in terms of effectiveness. I think it's also true that our points per game ratio is higher without him in the side, although I'll admit that is skewed somewhat by the fact Charlie signed at the same time as he got injured. |
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 12, 2021 19:23:04 GMT
1 assist and no goals in 22 appearances To assess the overall impact of a deep lying midfielder on that stat alone I'd say is pretty misleading mate. That's just not his role. The earlier Pirlo yardstick doesn't hold up either as he wouldn't be playing in the Championship if he was anywhere near that level. If we must going down the stats route (never ideal) ones like these gives you a somewhat better idea of what he brings: rfantasyisland.boards.net/post/58170/thread plus the stats in the post below it. But as mentioned in another thread I'd say his key attributes are good awareness, reading, ability to maintain possession in tight spaces under pressure and to pick out good short and long passes. Before Johansen's arrival there was no one in the squad with that level of quality in CM. If you watch him during games his head is never down and he's constantly looking to see what's around him, either with or without the ball; so clearly well schooled, and a very good attribute for any young player to learn from. |
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 12, 2021 19:59:32 GMT
I'd counter that with the argument that the reason we aren't creating much this season is probably at least partly due to the fact we have Carroll rather than a genuine central midfield playmaker.
I honestly think it genuinely is a scenario where you see worth in areas that I don't (i.e. nice bits of football that ultimately don't lead anywhere). I'd much sooner a much more direct style of play. Tiki taka doesn't work in the Championship and never has.
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Post by rscot on Feb 12, 2021 20:14:08 GMT
Be interesting to see what Fields brings to the table
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Post by Stanley75 on Feb 12, 2021 20:23:15 GMT
the reason we aren't creating much this season is probably at least partly due to the fact we have Carroll rather than a genuine central midfield playmaker. I disagree that's the reason Tarbs. There have been several other reasons for that (as discussed earlier). He had consistently been one of our better performers this season. 6 to 8/10 most games. As said earlier though, it's really moot to speculate on how we'd have fared had he not got injured. The main thing is we at least have a ready replacement in Johansen, albeit a slightly different type of player. Clearly our opinions differ a bit on this one though. Seems so, but all good debate 👍 |
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Post by Tarbie on Feb 12, 2021 22:41:05 GMT
Only missed last 4. I think absence of BOS is what helps us most. Honestly, I think we've gone far more direct in terms of playing style since January. Whether that's down to injuries in the midfield, BOS leaving, Charlie joining or a combo of these factors I have no idea. Maybe Les had a word in Warburton's ear and suggested the previous style of play wasn't working. Don't suppose we'll ever know. But something appears to me to have changed in the last 5 or 6 weeks in terms of our approach. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 11:12:02 GMT
Good news
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 20, 2021 11:17:38 GMT
See the polish plumber keeper is going too,thought he was supposed to bethe next big thing in goal for us.
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Post by awin on May 20, 2021 11:28:24 GMT
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Post by alanwycombe on May 20, 2021 11:34:54 GMT
I don’t. I remember what it was like before Christmas. |
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