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Post by shepherdsmush on Nov 25, 2020 2:37:33 GMT
He'd be fantastic if he played alongside a real ball winner. Unfortunately, we don't have a midfield general.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 25, 2020 8:42:12 GMT
Why would he Mush? I don't get it. Last night we played with pace and movement in the first half, and we weren't playing endless give and gos across the back line which just gives opponents time to get set. Look how Willock performed and look at the difference it made to Chair. I've seen Carroll described as defensive and there is no way he can defend. He's not shit, no one who plays at this level is shit, but there is a reason he's here in his prime at 28 earning the relative peanuts we pay - he isn't that good.
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Post by alanwycombe on Nov 25, 2020 8:47:46 GMT
He'll be back Friday
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Post by Corbray on Nov 25, 2020 10:17:02 GMT
carrol is a squad player at best and as others have said he isn't shit but he's not great either. can pull out a wicked cross or pass from time to time but for the most part he just adds another body to the pitch and rarely stands out.
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 25, 2020 12:08:30 GMT
carrol is a squad player at best and as others have said he isn't shit but he's not great either. can pull out a wicked cross or pass from time to time but for the most part he just adds another body to the pitch and rarely stands out. The trouble is where is his competition? It's only Cameron and Ball. You can't always play those two, therefore Carroll will be more than a squad player. He also possesses qualities that those two lack. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 12:33:53 GMT
carrol is a squad player at best and as others have said he isn't shit but he's not great either. can pull out a wicked cross or pass from time to time but for the most part he just adds another body to the pitch and rarely stands out. The trouble is where is his competition? It's only Cameron and Ball. You can't always play those two, therefore Carroll will be more than a squad player. He also possesses qualities that those two lack. Bettache might be an option if given an opportunity |
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Post by Stanley75 on Nov 25, 2020 12:45:16 GMT
The trouble is where is his competition? It's only Cameron and Ball. You can't always play those two, therefore Carroll will be more than a squad player. He also possesses qualities that those two lack. Bettache might be an option if given an opportunity Hadn't forgotten Bettache, but again he's mainly an AM. Same as George Thomas. Only other squad player that could potentially step up is Charlie Owens. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Nov 25, 2020 13:02:19 GMT
He'd be fantastic if he played alongside a real ball winner. Unfortunately, we don't have a midfield general. A Shaun Derry type yes. |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 25, 2020 14:07:50 GMT
carrol is a squad player at best and as others have said he isn't shit but he's not great either. can pull out a wicked cross or pass from time to time but for the most part he just adds another body to the pitch and rarely stands out. The trouble is where is his competition? It's only Cameron and Ball. You can't always play those two, therefore Carroll will be more than a squad player. He also possesses qualities that those two lack. no i agree with you, there is no competition especially with amos out so LTC ends up playing more than envisioned. its obvious that the club brought carrol in as backup given that he only has a year long contract. as a squad player he's a decent option to have but there are far better players out there who play the same role and who would be within our budget, guys like mowatt from barnsley or stefan johansson from fulham for example. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 1, 2021 18:59:10 GMT
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 1, 2021 20:31:59 GMT
Thanks for posting that Westy. Doesn't surprise me tbh but good to see it validated.
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jan 9, 2021 21:36:26 GMT
One of our best players.
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Post by West Acton on Jan 10, 2021 7:44:20 GMT
Defo way better then when he was here first time round. You can see how he’s matured and learnt the game, suppose you would call him experienced now
Would still like see bit more from him going forwards but he arguably out most consistent player this season. 7 out of 10 week in week out
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Post by James1979 on Jan 10, 2021 10:31:05 GMT
Yep hands up, I was wrong about Tiny Tom. Definitely one of our best players. Seems to have a fitness issue though....
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 10, 2021 15:17:00 GMT
I rate him a lot more this time round than before. Doesn't waste a pass and keeps the tempo of the game going superbly.
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Post by Hitman34 on Jan 10, 2021 18:24:58 GMT
Yep hands up, I was wrong about Tiny Tom. Definitely one of our best players. Seems to have a fitness issue though.... same. last couple of games, he is finally showing some ability. as you say with his fitness though, he starts to blow out of his arse after 60 mins. really dissapointed with ball though, he tries hard and gives his all, but is not good enough for this league. |
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Post by West Acton on Jan 10, 2021 18:35:35 GMT
Good shout on Ball hits and brave one as he’s fans favourite. I was big fan last season as his cameo roles looked good but this season he’s been pretty poor. Can’t pick a pass and seems be yard off the pace
Think he’s a squad player off the bench so defo worth keeping around but if he’s getting too much game time you know we’re weak as a squad
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 10, 2021 18:37:48 GMT
Yep hands up, I was wrong about Tiny Tom. Definitely one of our best players. Seems to have a fitness issue though.... Yeah, I agree too. He's worth his place because he's something we haven't got in anyone else. Shows for the ball and calms it down but he's not involved for 90 so could still be better. I agree with Hits about Ball too, love him one week and can see he's not got it the next. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 10, 2021 18:42:11 GMT
Not effective enough for me.
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Post by rscot on Jan 10, 2021 19:02:21 GMT
Not effective enough for me. I think if you were being critical of him, it would be in adding a couple of goals to his game, a couple of nice rifled efforts from the edge of the box would be the cherry on top. I think he’s played well whenever I’ve seen him comfortable in possession, good range of passing, mobile. Good to see him starting to take the corners from the left, his deliveries g have been good so far, hopefully a couple of assists won’t be far down the line. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 10, 2021 20:32:44 GMT
Not effective enough for me. I think if you were being critical of him, it would be in adding a couple of goals to his game, a couple of nice rifled efforts from the edge of the box would be the cherry on top. I think he’s played well whenever I’ve seen him comfortable in possession, good range of passing, mobile. Good to see him starting to take the corners from the left, his deliveries g have been good so far, hopefully a couple of assists won’t be far down the line. Could be a "hangover" from yesterday`s dissapointing result, but It`s still too many sideways and back passes with him . He also lacks the cutting edge. |
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Post by hal9thou on Jan 10, 2021 20:49:06 GMT
Not effective enough for me.
There's no point in getting Chaz and ditching TC.
There are about three people in the squad who can spot space and he's one of them. The other two are Willock and BOS. We're still desperately short of dead ball providers, no one is coaching corners or free kicks or even throw ins. Our corners are about as threatening as a nice lie down, an embarrassment.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jan 10, 2021 20:58:57 GMT
too many sideways and back passes I think that is to not understand his role and position Shania. He's a deep lying midfielder. His role is primarily to knit things together usually at a high tempo, to retain possession under pressure, in tight spaces, often with just one or two touch passes, then find a team-mate (all of which he's good at), to help move it through the thirds, to pick out a pass, long or short (which he's good at), to not make unforced errors (which he's good at), to always be looking up, around and have good awareness of what's around him and where the space is to move himself or the ball into (all of which he's good at). Next time you watch a game, keep an eye on him. Notice how he is constantly looking up and around him when in and out of possession. His awareness is excellent. Technically he's by far our best central midfielder. These are all his strengths. That isn't to say he doesn't have weaknesses, like all players. |
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Post by Shania on Jan 11, 2021 10:31:11 GMT
too many sideways and back passes He's a deep lying midfielder. His role is primarily to knit things together usually at a high tempo, to retain possession under pressure, in tight spaces, often with just one or two touch passes, then find a team-mate (all of which he's good at), to help move it through the thirds, to pick out a pass, long or short (which he's good at), to not make unforced errors (which he's good at), to always be looking up, around and have good awareness of what's around him and where the space is to move himself or the ball into (all of which he's good at). Next time you watch a game, keep an eye on him. Notice how he is constantly looking up and around him when in and out of possession. His awareness is excellent. Technically he's by far our best central midfielder. These are all his strengths. That isn't to say he doesn't have weaknesses, like all players. I agree with your assessment!! The limited movement up front and the lack of a strong, creative and attacking midfielder alongside or infront of him are the real problems I guess. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 11, 2021 11:32:51 GMT
Can't really criticise too much personally because if Tom Carroll could score more than the odd goal here or there (and tackle) he defintely would not be playing for QPR.
Solid player that does his job IMO. Also, the one player we have that has real vision.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 11, 2021 11:35:04 GMT
Yep hands up, I was wrong about Tiny Tom. Definitely one of our best players. Seems to have a fitness issue though.... same. last couple of games, he is finally showing some ability. as you say with his fitness though, he starts to blow out of his arse after 60 mins. really dissapointed with ball though, he tries hard and gives his all, but is not good enough for this league. Agree on Ball. Not effective enough as a ball winner IMO and, as I've already stated, Tom Carroll is much more effective when someone else does all the ball winning.
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Post by Corbray on Jan 11, 2021 11:49:09 GMT
carrol has been one of our best players this season, i was wrong about him too. he has much more to his game than pulling off the odd long pass. i'm looking forward to going back on my statement and saying he's shit again though  i still really rate ball as he's a leader on the pitch and is good at covering and receiving passes. he's lost the ball a fair bit with wayward passes but i'd still prefer him in the team. hate his dribbling though as he looks like hes about to stack it everytime |
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Post by alanwycombe on Jan 11, 2021 14:37:55 GMT
Can't really criticise too much personally because if Tom Carroll could score more than the odd goal here or there (and tackle) he defintely would not be playing for QPR. Solid player that does his job IMO. Also, the one player we have that has real vision. Broadly agree with that and I admit I was no fan last time and didn't want him back. He has a place in our team at Championship level but he's not quite the real deal. He's exactly the TYPE of player Man City love but you could never see him anywhere near their level. Glad I was wrong, he does give the defence a breather - the ball doesn't stick anywhere else. |
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jan 12, 2021 12:13:19 GMT
i still really rate ball as he's a leader on the pitch and is good at covering and receiving passes. he's lost the ball a fair bit with wayward passes but i'd still prefer him in the team. hate his dribbling though as he looks like hes about to stack it everytime I'd have him all day long over Cameron at CM to be fair. |
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jan 13, 2021 12:08:14 GMT
Couple of wayward passes but overall very good again last night. Gotta say he's much better in this stint than he was in his first for us.
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