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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 5, 2023 13:57:51 GMT
Our negotiations team are worse
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Post by spongeparr on Jun 5, 2023 13:58:00 GMT
annoyed at him leaving simply because its yet another bit of bad business from the club. a year or 2 ago we could have cashed in and got a decent fee, same goes for most of our core players tbh. i'm not fussed at him leaving for abilities sake though and suspect he'll do well at bristol. he was dreadful for us most of last season so its no loss on that front, i suspect forino will be coming in from wycombe as his replacement. You say cash in on him ... there wasn't any offer on the table. |
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Post by Greg1882 on Jun 5, 2023 14:03:50 GMT
Genuinely, and I really mean this, I couldn’t give a solitary fuck about rob dickie. Always got a face like a slapped arse, slow, clumsy, fucks around with it too much and a major part of the problem. Shit defence year after year after year. We need to change. See ya
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 5, 2023 14:11:05 GMT
It would appear so, if we really did pay what was reported at the time. Am not defending how we as a club developed players last season as many went backwards. I never rated Beale, Critchley or Ainsworth so it wouldn't surprise me if the values of most of our players went down last season. In Dickie's case, he could only play in a three as Warbs eventually realised and in a two he was exposed badly. But it doesn't change the economics that we still need to sell anyone we can - its just due to our terrible coaching and management we will now have to do so for less money, which will mean nothing to re-invest in players. I don't think the model is broken, its the people pursuing the model who are shit, from the DOF down. Agreed. So I think fans are at least entitled to voice their complaints about it. In my earlier post I apologised for sounding so sceptical but sadly it seems that was justified given how poorly we're run these days. Think fans are entitled to complain how we have "developed" players for sure, and consequently how little they are now worth - agree with you there Stan. My original post was responding to another poster saying it was a bad sign we were planning to sell Dickie. I personally don't agree with that, as selling players is the only way we can survive. We just aren't v good at it - plus the Championship market has collapsed, and sadly we don't seem to have anyone to interest the Prem. |
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Post by acricketer on Jun 5, 2023 14:20:10 GMT
WLS said we paid £1.8m for Dickie. So we’ll lose around 800k. We should have stuck it in a bank. Our player development is embarrassing On the other hand our player degradation is top notch (Should this go in the positivity thread?) |
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 5, 2023 14:37:09 GMT
Agreed. So I think fans are at least entitled to voice their complaints about it. In my earlier post I apologised for sounding so sceptical but sadly it seems that was justified given how poorly we're run these days. Think fans are entitled to complain how we have "developed" players for sure, and consequently how little they are now worth - agree with you there Stan. My original post was responding to another poster saying it was a bad sign we were planning to sell Dickie. I personally don't agree with that, as selling players is the only way we can survive. We just aren't v good at it - plus the Championship market has collapsed, and sadly we don't seem to have anyone to interest the Prem. I agree selling Dickie is for the best - a fair point. Naturally the concerns are a) it was done at a loss and b) regarding his replacement, our recruitment process is absolute shite and has been for years. |
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Post by The General on Jun 5, 2023 14:40:08 GMT
Should we not be asking players to sign
A new contract earlier than in last year
Is this not just common sense
They would be worth more then ?
Yes getting a million is better than nothing
But getting 2 million a bit earlier is better
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Post by West Acton on Jun 5, 2023 14:40:25 GMT
Dickie and gone soft
We’ve lost our Dickie and gone soft
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 5, 2023 14:43:20 GMT
If u rate like or whatever him, point is it’s a loss in money, we not got any, and we supposed to replace him on thin air.
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Post by West Acton on Jun 5, 2023 14:43:59 GMT
Personally would not get to hung up on what we paid (we don’t know for a fact) i I suspect it’s probably same as way he seems to be departing. X amount over period based on different parameters being met which could reach 1.8mil. If we ended up paying that or less god knows.
Would be good if EFL or FA put out rule that said each transfer is broken down and transparent.
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Post by The General on Jun 5, 2023 14:44:19 GMT
Apparantly Ainsworth said he scared for next season
Nice to see that its not just the supporters
Shitting themselves
Really disappointed about everything at the club atm
Its run very badly by un sackable personel
Amit has lost the plot too to allow this to happen
Not looking forward to this season at all which is a shame
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 5, 2023 14:47:48 GMT
Who’s having dosh on our relegation?
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Post by Ginger Ninja on Jun 5, 2023 15:53:59 GMT
Who’s having dosh on our relegation? I usually stick a tenner on promotion every year and will do the same, lose another tenner. I'm not sure the odds on relegation would make a bet worth it unless lumping on more than 20. |
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Post by Hitman34 on Jun 5, 2023 16:17:40 GMT
Well, we're a selling club - buying in players cheap, 'developing' them, and then selling them for half what we paid for them... You couldn’t make it up. Run by complete clowns |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 5, 2023 16:21:26 GMT
99 out of 100 transfers out we get shafted, always have. We probably accepted 700k and offered to pay his full wages for the length of his contract with them.
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Post by Shania on Jun 5, 2023 16:38:11 GMT
Not sure Dunne is so much better than Dickie to be honest.
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Post by Stanley75 on Jun 5, 2023 16:49:57 GMT
Not sure Dunne is so much better than Dickie to be honest. About the same standard I'd say. |
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Post by Shania on Jun 5, 2023 16:56:50 GMT
Not sure Dunne is so much better than Dickie to be honest. About the same standard I'd say. Yes I agree. They lack composure both of them. |
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Post by Timmy Doc on Jun 5, 2023 17:02:18 GMT
I will miss Dickie. Best CB we have had in years. I mean when we signed him, he was brilliant. Thought we should build the team around him. Funny how people forget how good he was. Mismanaged by Beale, Critchley and Ainsworth.
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Post by shepherdsmush on Jun 5, 2023 17:25:49 GMT
Got nothing against Dickie at all, good luck to him.
Certainly not irreplaceable though.
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Post by stainrodisalegend on Jun 5, 2023 18:26:10 GMT
Who’s having dosh on our relegation? What are the odds? It has to be tempting |
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Post by Greg1882 on Jun 5, 2023 19:02:13 GMT
Official.
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Post by 1973ranger on Jun 5, 2023 19:03:35 GMT
Well, we're a selling club - buying in players cheap, 'developing' them, and then selling them for half what we paid for them... And still our DOF and recruitment team are ready to do the same all over again. |
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Post by MattyRangers on Jun 6, 2023 6:30:32 GMT
Who’s having dosh on our relegation? I usually stick a tenner on promotion every year and will do the same, lose another tenner. I'm not sure the odds on relegation would make a bet worth it unless lumping on more than 20. Yea we will be in the 'top' 5 faves for relegation I'd guess. |
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Post by hubble on Jun 7, 2023 9:06:47 GMT
I will miss Dickie. Best CB we have had in years. I mean when we signed him, he was brilliant. Thought we should build the team around him. Funny how people forget how good he was. Mismanaged by Beale, Critchley and Ainsworth.
As Clive says, maybe it was the two goals Dickie scored against the Robins that etched him into their consciousness, because if we bought a nervous wreck of a CB from an almost-relegated club, we'd all be livid. Obviously BC see something in him, the Dickie of last season probably, and the one who showed up very briefly v Burnley with an exceptional cameo. At the same time, GA/LF obviously think he's shot and have got rid ASAP and at least got something for him, rather than waiting for him to see out his contract; that's actually quite good for this bunch of clowns.
With a transfer budget of 15p and an FFP overspend bearing down on us, we are going to be getting rid of/selling a fair few more before next season. It's going to be grim. In 2001, with Olly at the helm, the backs to the wall, we're a tribe mentality made for an enthralling (as well as exasperating) rollercoaster of a few seasons. But in 2023, under Ainsworth, that prospect doesn't exactly look attractive this time around, does it? I've never looked forward to a new season less than 2023/24. Of course, GA might prove to be inspirational, in more ways than one, just like Olly did all those years ago. But I doubt it.
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Post by hal9thou on Jun 7, 2023 9:38:38 GMT
I will miss Dickie. Best CB we have had in years. I mean when we signed him, he was brilliant. Thought we should build the team around him. Funny how people forget how good he was. Mismanaged by Beale, Critchley and Ainsworth.
As Clive says, maybe it was the two goals Dickie scored against the Robins that etched him into their consciousness, because if we bought a nervous wreck of a CB from an almost-relegated club, we'd all be livid. Obviously BC see something in him, the Dickie of last season probably, and the one who showed up very briefly v Burnley with an exceptional cameo. At the same time, GA/LF obviously think he's shot and have got rid ASAP and at least got something for him, rather than waiting for him to see out his contract; that's actually quite good for this bunch of clowns.
With a transfer budget of 15p and an FFP overspend bearing down on us, we are going to be getting rid of/selling a fair few more before next season. It's going to be grim. In 2001, with Olly at the helm, the backs to the wall, we're a tribe mentality made for an enthralling (as well as exapserating) rollercoaster of a few seasons. But in 2023, under Ainsworth, that prospect doesn't exactly look attractive this time around, does it? I've never looked forward to a new season less than 2023/24. Of course, GA might prove to be inspirational, in more ways than one, just like Olly did all those years ago. But I doubt it.
yeah does anyone actually have any figures re this? What's the maths here? (eg I don't think infrastructure projects like the training ground are accountable re FFP?) The thing that tends to boil the piss is the fact that we could save a lot of money every year by cutting back massively off the park, where we seem to imagine we have things like a productive academy, a worthwile marketing strategy etc etc not to mention the usual suspects. We're pretending we're Man City off the park and play sub National league on it. Have a massive cull and concentrate everything on putting together an organised, hard working first team squad. Thats how you do it on the cheap. |
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Post by sparks on Jun 7, 2023 10:38:02 GMT
I’m of the same opinion as you Hal.
£24.6m loss in 2021/22 according to figures released this year.
Of which £8.5m was for purchase of training ground.( not part of FFP as far as I’m aware)
£1.7m was paid towards FFP fine.( definitely not part of FFP and was an agreement when fine was initially imposed.)
Leaving a yearly loss of approx £14.4m on FFP sheet.
In financial reports about every club regarding FFP there are also ‘allowable’ costs that are deductible.
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Post by alanwycombe on Jun 7, 2023 10:43:48 GMT
BBC sport listing transfers so far says Rob Dickie to BC ‘free’ - that can’t be right, can it?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Jun 7, 2023 11:11:11 GMT
BBC sport listing transfers so far says Rob Dickie to BC ‘free’ - that can’t be right, can it? Might as well be the amount we getting |
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