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Post by esoxlucius on Nov 11, 2019 12:47:32 GMT
If the admins wish to remove this thread I am more than happy to do so but it isn't about me trying to glorify football hooliganism, it honestly wasn't ever my 'thing' after I was hit with an orange with a razor blade in it around 1968 and later up at Maine Road when the Kippax began raining pieces of slate down at us and one R had his face sliced open.
My thinking is that I wanted to put a small piece together for AKUTR'S about the various crews that QPR had during those times and the bizarre rivalry they had among each other. I am hoping to speak to one or two of the faces whilst at games but I will have to rely on input from posters on here and other message boards for a wider picture. I am not really interested in stories of how (x) QPR mob ran such and such at a game but I am fascinated by the rivalry between the different QPR mobs which, considering that we aren't one of the 'big' clubs strikes me as quite bizzare and it seems to be centred around the Northolt/ Ruislip R's not getting on with any of the others.
As I say I have very little experience of this other than a meet up with mobs from a few of the other clubs who had had problems with the MIG's at Kennilworth Road during the ban so decided to hire a couple of mini buses and intercepted the Luton coaches in a service station on their way to either Ipswich or Norwich.
If people are uncomfortable about identifying themselves as being involved in what was criminal activity then broad brush descriptions are more than helpful enough but as I say, it isn't to glorify the fighting etc. it is to reach an understanding why QPR mobs didn't get on with each other.
Hud will vouch that I am not Old Bill or anything like that, it's just a chance to tell a tale with a different spin on it. TIA
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Post by West Acton on Nov 11, 2019 12:54:59 GMT
Was Maine road when Pollock scored own goal?? If so was there and it was hairy after. Thank god for the rain
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Post by hubble on Nov 11, 2019 13:11:58 GMT
I reckon me old mate Bos on LFW is your man Esox.
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Post by esoxlucius on Nov 11, 2019 13:18:41 GMT
Was Maine road when Pollock scored own goal?? If so was there and it was hairy after. Thank god for the rain The one I was thinking of was when we lost 1-0 and it was just after Pat Pheonix had died. There was around 100 QPR there and it was a boring game. Some of them started up a chant of "Elsie is dead, Elsie is dead, hello, hello" and that started to rile them on the Kippax. Their next bright idea was to start chanting "Are your children in the moors?" That's when the missiles began coming towards us and the local Manchester police weren't really interested in doing anything about it, even after the guy got his face sliced open. I would suspect that they thought it was bang out of order too. |
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Post by esoxlucius on Nov 11, 2019 13:18:57 GMT
I reckon me old mate Bos on LFW is your man Esox. Is that Bosh67? |
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Post by acricketer on Nov 11, 2019 13:49:06 GMT
QPR ("The Poet" )Ted on WATRB or Not606 might be worth tracking down
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Post by esoxlucius on Nov 11, 2019 13:58:23 GMT
QPR ("The Poet" )Ted on WATRB or Not606 might be worth tracking down Cheers, does he still go to games? Even though I will not be naming names etc. people may still be wary of commiting themselves to writing something down. |
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Post by hubble on Nov 11, 2019 14:07:23 GMT
I reckon me old mate Bos on LFW is your man Esox. Is that Bosh67? Boston |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Nov 11, 2019 14:09:01 GMT
I wasn't aware of rivalry between our lads at the time but I have heard about it since.
I just remember the Coach Mob used to have their own coaches for away games. Really funny to overtake those coaches on the motorway and see a more dilapidated vehicle than the previous one each time. I think the amount of places they could hire them from got smaller and smaller sue the state they were returned!
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Nov 11, 2019 14:09:33 GMT
Yes, that's a good shout Hud. |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 11, 2019 14:19:18 GMT
as someone who wasn't born during the heyday of hooliganism it does intrigue me for sure. one thing j've never understood though is why did hooligans spend fortunes on clothes every week only to completely ruin them in a fight? whats the point in that?!
my dad has a funny story from the hooligan days though, even though he never wanted to fight he was caught up in some trouble a few times.
when he was 14 his parents went on holiday and gave him money for food etc. they told him to not do anything stupid and no parties. instead of buying food he instead got a haircut, some new clothes and went up to hammersmith from sunbury to watch fulham play grimsby. fulham won and as my dad and his friends happily made their way back to the station when whilst walking across a field they got confronted by some much older grimsby fans, one of whom pulled a knife on them.
my dad and his friends scattered and as my dad had no pockets on his fancy new tracksuit he'd given his money and train ticket to a friend so my dad ended up being stranded in london. he tried begging people for cash outside the station but no one helped out so he had no choice but to go to the police station and use their phone to call one of his parents friends to pick him up at near enough midnight.
his parents friend obviously snitched on him and my grandparents were livid at my dad for being so stupid
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Post by spongeparr on Nov 11, 2019 16:25:37 GMT
It intrigues me as well, even though ive never had a proper fight in my life.
We don't have the largest fan base so why would we have 2 firms!? No wonder our rep wasn't ever great if we were only half a firm. But then we have about 100 fan forums for some reason.
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Post by esoxlucius on Nov 11, 2019 17:17:25 GMT
I believe it is at least three firms, I am working on getting to the bottom of it LOL
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Post by hubble on Nov 11, 2019 17:35:19 GMT
Who remembers F Troop whose 'representative' used to post on the old org? We've always had a gaggle of firms, with various 'interests'. I missed the worst of the hooligan days because I wasn't going to football much at that time, but I had a few close run encounters with Chelsea fans... ie they got close and I ran.... I did once front out about 5 Stoke fans and they backed off, mind you I did have the whole of the Bushranger behind me 😂
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Post by bushcelt1 on Nov 11, 2019 18:31:23 GMT
Some people on here and other sites often refuse to acknowledge or want to engage
in something that was a big part of football for kids/men from the late 60's until the present day(for some younger fans). It was part and parcel bitd at most grounds every week. I know a few on here could help you on this subject.....
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Post by 72bus on Nov 11, 2019 23:14:08 GMT
I was in all of the early c mob transits . We'd take 1sometimes 2 transits up north . The coaches came a lot later by then I stopped going the narcs took over for me , I've loads of photos back then and even took 48 pics at the 82 final still see some of the lads at games but everyone is nearly 60 now ... Nearly died many times on the motorway as we'd often stop off at small towns for a drink after the away games and the driver would always be pissed. In the early days there would only be around 15 /20 of us but we had strong friendships and loyalties to each other if anyone got nicked we'd go to the police station and someone would stay behind or we would have a whip round. There would be the odd fall out with LG mob but nothing major...
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Post by Vespa on Nov 12, 2019 1:13:38 GMT
Rangers had small mobs from different areas that would back up . This is mid to late 80s ,we had a group ,all Casuals out of South London ,we wernt part of a firm ,just friends who followed QPR ,got dressed up ,ran up and down the street a bit
We were never part of any Rangers crew ,to be honest ,we didnt get on with the local lads , they didnt accept us , maybe we dressed too well !!!
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 12, 2019 15:46:45 GMT
First rule of fight club
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Post by Vespa on Nov 12, 2019 16:13:39 GMT
I thought first rule of fight club these days was ,put everything up on youtube and do the OBs job for them |
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Post by Corbray on Nov 12, 2019 18:20:32 GMT
I thought first rule of fight club these days was ,put everything up on youtube and do the OBs job for them no, we take it to fortnite or minecraft |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 12, 2019 19:53:39 GMT
Personally never had the infighting problem,played from84,wasnt really a named mob with lot I played with. Just a group of roughly same aged young dresser lads whom would have a scrap if on offer. Fighting was only a part of it.clothes drinks mates,playing up,. And when it did go its not a cliché to say a massive buzz. I've done bungee,parachute,drugs,3bed sex but nothing came close. In the past now.
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Post by Vespa on Nov 12, 2019 20:11:05 GMT
Thats the thing ,For us ,clothes ,music ,birds were just as important as anything ! as i said Rangers had loads of different groups away from the main mob ,that were all just young dressers ,not necessarilly looking for trouble but if it kicks off , well ,whats not to like !
The fact everyone was so fragmented ,helped the bigger clubs take the piss at Loftus Rd , they swamped us and we could do nothing about it ,thats why i hate clubs like Chelsea because they would just slap our scarfers up ,(not their main mobs but their boys like us) ,where we wouldnt dream of intimidating family/scarfer fans of other clubs
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 12, 2019 20:40:49 GMT
Just my observation also,back in them days I think in the country as a whole,there was more lads up for it than wasnt all over the place compared to today.
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Post by esoxlucius on Nov 12, 2019 21:27:09 GMT
Thats the thing ,For us ,clothes ,music ,birds were just as important as anything ! as i said Rangers had loads of different groups away from the main mob ,that were all just young dressers ,not necessarilly looking for trouble but if it kicks off , well ,whats not to like ! The fact everyone was so fragmented ,helped the bigger clubs take the piss at Loftus Rd , they swamped us and we could do nothing about it ,thats why i hate clubs like Chelsea because they would just slap our scarfers up ,(not their main mobs but their boys like us) ,where we wouldnt dream of intimidating family/scarfer fans of other clubs That in a nutshell is the nub of what I was going to write about, just why was it so fragmented? It can't just be the various locales of the sub groups because that would be the same for all the other clubs with firms e.g. the ICF would have members from all over East London as well as a few outsiders and a couple of people I knew in the Spurs crew were from Middlesex and one from near Ringwood Hampshire. It struck me as really odd that Rangers fans from Ruislip wouldn't get on with Rangers fans from Ladbroke Grove. From yours, and GT's responses maybe the football wasn't so important but the clothes and music etc. were although I can't imagine that there was that much variation in clothes taste, musical taste etc. I have heard back from a couple of people who want nothing to do with what I am doing as they just want to forget about it and don't want to be reminded so maybe this idea may just die on the vine for lack of anything interesting to throw a light on. It was never about glorifying the violence. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 12, 2019 21:46:58 GMT
Problem rangers had was no proper leadership. The small chap use to command a bit couple of others but no real structure. We had numbers,we was game and when on it and together did some business. Then acid house came and killed us.
But don't underestimate the mobs we have had out and scalps we took. And unlike all your other mobs yes we did get done plenty.unlike apparently everyone else who are super human😃
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Post by esoxlucius on Nov 12, 2019 21:53:30 GMT
Problem rangers had was no proper leadership. The small chap use to command a bit couple of others but no real structure. We had numbers,we was game and when on it and together did some business. Then acid house came and killed us. But don't underestimate the mobs we have had out and scalps we took. And unlike all your other mobs yes we did get done plenty.unlike apparently everyone else who are super human😃 I have a feeling that I know who the small chap you refer to is and I was hoping to catch up with him before a game again soon.  |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 12, 2019 21:57:44 GMT
A lot of lads these days dismiss him,but he was game as I've seen,think he probably on a ban anyway.
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Post by Vespa on Nov 12, 2019 22:06:14 GMT
The Casual culture as opposed to Football Hooligan ,was for us just what working class lads in the 80s were into , there were nut jobs at football who would stripe people ,but wouldn`t have a clue Patrick cagoules that were "in "last game are now something your Nan wouldn`t wear !
But i am talking about Casual culture , as opposed to serious football hooligans . Dont get me wrong loads of Casuals were serious football hooligans ,but loads were like me and my mates ,and there was also loads of local Casuals who weren`t into football at all ,just the clothes ,sounds etc
It was all just a joke for us , teenage lads having fun .
People over analyze stuff ,
working class young men ,like dressing up, decent tunes ,beer ,recreational drugs , birds,scooters ,ford escorts ,cortinas ,capris ,football and sometimes a scrap ,its as easy as that !
Why QPR never got on with each other ,i dont know ! We`re not the only London club like that though ,just strange for such a small club
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Post by Vespa on Nov 12, 2019 22:09:14 GMT
Wheres the Cat when you need him ?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 12, 2019 22:12:56 GMT
Lot of rangers got on better with arsenal and Chelsea than each other lol
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