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Post by Vespa on Nov 17, 2019 9:27:48 GMT
Back to love ins, qpr Chelsea older lot cool but yoot firms developed some beef for a while. I think that was the problem in the 80s , the older lot got on ,and that left our scarfers at the mercy of Chelsea`s bully up hangers on , who seemed to make up the majority of their supporters at the time . |
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Post by 72bus on Nov 17, 2019 12:41:27 GMT
Growing up mates supported different teams and would sometimes go to Chelsea or Fulham .
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 18, 2019 12:47:15 GMT
skins thing was definitely over by 1980, it became politicised. skins culture was adopted in the states and e.europe / russia by far right, latecomers who latched onto that NF image.
more interesting is the skins origins. pre dated punk by a few years, was anti conservative and anti hippy.
How early? 68 I reckon. I remeber seeing them as a nipper ( I would have been 12 in 68) and thinking fucking hell....
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Post by Joe90 on Nov 18, 2019 13:10:11 GMT
Very interesting thread, particularly about the sub-groups. It's all before my time but interesting none the less to hear how it was.
Since a kid I was into punk among other things and like I said a lot of the good stuff was before my time, anyway I did come across an interesting doc about combat 84 and growing up in Wimbledon I was surrounded by Chelsea and was always interested in hooligan, not the violence so much but the style,politics and music that informed it all. There always seemed to be so many contradictions. Chris Henderson came into my conscientiousness and I subsequently came across the comment below which is from an article about his death and also supports many of the views put forward on here.
"Chris Henderson didnt form the Chelsea Headhunters. We had a firm for decades before that and started calling ourselves Headhunters in 1982. It wasnt a separate firm. It was actualy a guy nicknamed "Brains" because of the little round glasses he wore who came up with the name.Another friend of mine printed the first business cards with Headhunters on it.We werent really a firm like other clubs because the different areas didnt like each other.We were mini-firms.I went with Martin's. Kilburn crew but Giles and his Kilburn mob didnt talk to us because he was NF and we had Irish and blacks in our firm. The two Kilburn firms and Billy Mathews Battersea firm were the best but never joined together.It was usually about 8 of us that went together and did all the damage. Ickey was a big poser who always mysteriously disappeared went the fighting started.The internet is full of misinformation."
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Post by 72bus on Nov 18, 2019 18:27:15 GMT
Giles denslow and steven'icky' hickmott both paper tigers .
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Post by Vespa on Nov 18, 2019 19:42:31 GMT
Giles denslow and steven'icky' hickmott both paper tigers .... Now Billy mathews from earlsfield well liked by all on the Manor and a proper chap . Wasn`t he the one who dined out on some poor sods earhole on a bus ? |
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Post by 72bus on Nov 18, 2019 19:54:34 GMT
Billy was accused of being the Chelsea fatman , the CF bit a pub governer in the king's rd
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 18, 2019 22:18:09 GMT
Billy was accused of being the Chelsea fatman , the CF bit a pub governer in the king's rd .... By the time it came to court Billy was slim as he'd been eating prison food and was found not guilty [br Remember doing a England game Wembley after the fatman attack, Chelsea qpr together,singing you'll never get the fatman. Then decided to pile into Pompey then spurs in ground. Fun night lol |
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 19, 2019 11:12:23 GMT
Chris Henderson didnt form the Chelsea Headhunters. We had a firm for decades before that and started calling ourselves Headhunters in 1982. = late 60s. Everything was kicking off. Tbf though if you look into the history of football related violence its always been there. First recorded inter firm aggro at train station: 1886 (PNE vs Queens Park). Violence at games was going on long before that, 14th C references. Fine old English tradition. |
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Post by lymehoop on Nov 19, 2019 11:32:44 GMT
skins thing was definitely over by 1980, it became politicised. skins culture was adopted in the states and e.europe / russia by far right, latecomers who latched onto that NF image. more interesting is the skins origins. pre dated punk by a few years, was anti conservative and anti hippy. How early? 68 I reckon. I remeber seeing them as a nipper ( I would have been 12 in 68) and thinking fucking hell.... I remember our Headmaster banning pupils getting their hair cropped c.68/69. Faintly remember Dimitri's and other hairdressers hated the style too |
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Post by dunraven on Nov 21, 2019 19:40:30 GMT
Great read this thread and got me thinking all the way back to school days, where the inner rivalry existed even then.
Growing up in Shepherds Bush but going to school in Brentford I should really have a ‘cross-over’ of QPR mates from the NortholtGreenford end to Bush/White City but I don’t.
QPR was one of the more heavily supported clubs at my school but with a distinct two groups - those of us from Bush, White City, Acton, Hammersmith, Grove, even Fulham and Harlesden direction. And those from Northolt, Greenford, Hanwell, Hayes etc.
Even at games we’d only acknowledge each other but not really pal up, walk near each other but not together in scary alleyways, hahaha. Fucking odd innit. Same team, same school but some how the part of London or estate we were from meant that little bit more? I don’t know but it was definitely real and there.
Maybe had something to do with inner city v the sticks, even subconsciously but I don’t know. No doubt it was already there before my time. I’m early 40S btw
Ps: Depends which part of Ealing 😋
PPS: Once of age the LadbrokeGrove boys would peel off with ‘their own’ who as I recall were maybe the cliquiest of all
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Feb 11, 2023 20:45:37 GMT
Just picked my quite pissed eldest up from station. He been to watch ipswich with 3 lads he works with as one follows them.
Anyway he in pub after game and 2 bokes 40s start on him. Your a pussy etc. So they didn't know he was with 2 lads whom ex Romanian special forces as they was up the bar. So Alex the 6`5 one said he not a pussy he with us,but i can make u my bitches,so the blokes apologized and ended up buying my boys lot 8 beers between them. Ipswich pussies lol
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Post by West Acton on Feb 12, 2023 7:14:48 GMT
Well was waste of time opening this thread. Was expecting some links to some grot sites or pics
Poor form GT 😁
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Post by Stanley75 on Mar 8, 2023 16:20:41 GMT
Any hooliganism and football violence related posts please post them in here from now on. That way anyone wishing to read and engage with them can visit this thread. This is not therefore (or should not be taken as) censorship in any way, which RFI is against in principle.
And for the avoidance of any doubt - we fully understand that football violence historically and culturally plays a part in our national sport. Nevertheless RFI is first and foremost a QPR forum, so that needs remembering too. We're also mindful that the subject is of no interest to many people reading this forum. It therefore makes more sense to keep it all in one area.
Thank you.
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Post by The General on Mar 8, 2023 18:02:11 GMT
GT got his own thread now for most posts apart from westy 😂😂😂
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 8, 2023 18:19:54 GMT
Shut it you muggggggggggg
EIE
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Mar 8, 2023 18:20:47 GMT
I will actually have u know I’m a lover not a fighter, just ask all your other halves
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Post by James1979 on Mar 8, 2023 19:13:55 GMT
I will actually have u know I’m a lover not a fighter, just ask all your other halves Yeah Dave said you were very loving. |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 14, 2023 10:13:33 GMT
Listened to a podcast yesterday about Cardiff.
They mentioned QPR a few times and also said when they played Hayes in cup they got opposition they were not anticipating and remember back then loads of QPR turned up to that game.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 14, 2023 11:10:50 GMT
Qpr did same v luton at hates when we was playing wba home in prem, they was bang outnumbered and didn’t fancy it
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 14, 2023 11:47:21 GMT
Late 70s early 80s WHU were busy, only real tear up I got involved in was LR vs WHU outside the ground. They were looking for action from anyone coming out from Loft end.
Brother got a smack inna Loft off Chelsea round the same time. Back then it didn't matter if you were quiet as a church mouse or looking for trouble, you'd find it or it would find you.
It was part of the culture, and for a lot of people part of the buzz, added a bit of spice. But like I say back then WHU felt pretty up front.....
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 14, 2023 11:49:52 GMT
We took it to West Ham few times by their market, never going to win more of a suicidal run.
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 14, 2023 14:14:14 GMT
We took it to West Ham few times by their market, never going to win more of a suicidal run. Decent effort. Not many took it to them in the 80s. |
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on Apr 14, 2023 14:20:58 GMT
I remember seeing a tidy group of C Mob looking for it against West Ham in the back roads near HQ.
Thought that was pretty good given their reputation then.
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 14, 2023 14:31:16 GMT
So no one remembers the attack on West Ham supporters club one year then😀
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Post by sparks on Apr 14, 2023 15:02:17 GMT
I.was in Elerslie Rd stand when some fan got thrown from the old tea bar in the top right corner of the Loft down into Elerslie seats when we played WHU in a night game.
I only remember resistance to Arsenal fans taking over Loft end,
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 14, 2023 16:14:41 GMT
I.was in Elerslie Rd stand when some fan got thrown from the old tea bar in the top right corner of the Loft down into Elerslie seats when we played WHU in a night game. I only remember resistance to Arsenal fans taking over Loft end, you mean the old balcony right in the corner? often used to go up there, some memorable characters..... I'm pretty sure I remember CFC in the Loft. Bruv certainly did  |
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Post by sparks on Apr 14, 2023 16:57:31 GMT
I.was in Elerslie Rd stand when some fan got thrown from the old tea bar in the top right corner of the Loft down into Elerslie seats when we played WHU in a night game. I only remember resistance to Arsenal fans taking over Loft end, you mean the old balcony right in the corner? often used to go up there, some memorable characters..... I'm pretty sure I remember CFC in the Loft. Bruv certainly did Yes that’s the area I meant. All of the known London clubs took over the upper loft area in 70s, only proper resistance was Arsenal and I can remember partial resistance to Spuds. WHU Millwall and the scum were overwhelming in their numbers and were unopposed from memory.Scum broke the wall which was designated for kids at front of the loft in the FA Cup replay. |
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Post by West Acton on Apr 14, 2023 17:09:37 GMT
Was there away ends back in day?
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 14, 2023 17:10:01 GMT
In the 70s the only wounds was flares lash😃
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