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Post by Vespa on Nov 17, 2019 9:27:48 GMT
Back to love ins, qpr Chelsea older lot cool but yoot firms developed some beef for a while. I think that was the problem in the 80s , the older lot got on ,and that left our scarfers at the mercy of Chelsea`s bully up hangers on , who seemed to make up the majority of their supporters at the time .
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Post by 72bus on Nov 17, 2019 12:41:27 GMT
Growing up mates supported different teams and would sometimes go to Chelsea or Fulham .. when west ham came to Chelsea , west ham went in the shed and bill gardener was saying for 90 mins " I'm bill gardener I'm west ham in in your end what u going to do about it" loved it becos Chelsea would come in the loft every year and bully us and got a bit of their own medicine. In those days it was pay on the door . I knew a lot of people thru the early skinhead days and there were millwall , west ham , Chelsea , arsenal and we all got on... We'd go to see the specials on a Sunday nite they could only play 3 songs and would play them over and over . Somewhere along the line ladbroke Grove would turn up and fight east London if they played any west London venues .. the skinhead look had turned from smart dress to the combat look and the NF had got into it and tainted it most sensible people had got out of it by 1980 and left it to the boneheads with their big boots, swastikas and tattoos
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 18, 2019 12:47:15 GMT
skins thing was definitely over by 1980, it became politicised. skins culture was adopted in the states and e.europe / russia by far right, latecomers who latched onto that NF image.
more interesting is the skins origins. pre dated punk by a few years, was anti conservative and anti hippy.
How early? 68 I reckon. I remeber seeing them as a nipper ( I would have been 12 in 68) and thinking fucking hell....
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Post by Joe90 on Nov 18, 2019 13:10:11 GMT
Very interesting thread, particularly about the sub-groups. It's all before my time but interesting none the less to hear how it was.
Since a kid I was into punk among other things and like I said a lot of the good stuff was before my time, anyway I did come across an interesting doc about combat 84 and growing up in Wimbledon I was surrounded by Chelsea and was always interested in hooligan, not the violence so much but the style,politics and music that informed it all. There always seemed to be so many contradictions. Chris Henderson came into my conscientiousness and I subsequently came across the comment below which is from an article about his death and also supports many of the views put forward on here.
"Chris Henderson didnt form the Chelsea Headhunters. We had a firm for decades before that and started calling ourselves Headhunters in 1982. It wasnt a separate firm. It was actualy a guy nicknamed "Brains" because of the little round glasses he wore who came up with the name.Another friend of mine printed the first business cards with Headhunters on it.We werent really a firm like other clubs because the different areas didnt like each other.We were mini-firms.I went with Martin's. Kilburn crew but Giles and his Kilburn mob didnt talk to us because he was NF and we had Irish and blacks in our firm. The two Kilburn firms and Billy Mathews Battersea firm were the best but never joined together.It was usually about 8 of us that went together and did all the damage. Ickey was a big poser who always mysteriously disappeared went the fighting started.The internet is full of misinformation."
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Post by 72bus on Nov 18, 2019 18:27:15 GMT
Giles denslow and steven'icky' hickmott both paper tigers .... Now Billy mathews from earlsfield well liked by all on the Manor and a proper chap .
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Post by Vespa on Nov 18, 2019 19:42:31 GMT
Giles denslow and steven'icky' hickmott both paper tigers .... Now Billy mathews from earlsfield well liked by all on the Manor and a proper chap . Wasn`t he the one who dined out on some poor sods earhole on a bus ?
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Post by 72bus on Nov 18, 2019 19:54:34 GMT
Billy was accused of being the Chelsea fatman , the CF bit a pub governer in the king's rd .... By the time it came to court Billy was slim as he'd been eating prison food and was found not guilty
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Nov 18, 2019 22:18:09 GMT
Billy was accused of being the Chelsea fatman , the CF bit a pub governer in the king's rd .... By the time it came to court Billy was slim as he'd been eating prison food and was found not guilty [br Remember doing a England game Wembley after the fatman attack, Chelsea qpr together,singing you'll never get the fatman. Then decided to pile into Pompey then spurs in ground. Fun night lol
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Post by hal9thou on Nov 19, 2019 11:12:23 GMT
Chris Henderson didnt form the Chelsea Headhunters. We had a firm for decades before that and started calling ourselves Headhunters in 1982. = late 60s. Everything was kicking off. Tbf though if you look into the history of football related violence its always been there. First recorded inter firm aggro at train station: 1886 (PNE vs Queens Park). Violence at games was going on long before that, 14th C references. Fine old English tradition.
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Post by lymehoop on Nov 19, 2019 11:32:44 GMT
skins thing was definitely over by 1980, it became politicised. skins culture was adopted in the states and e.europe / russia by far right, latecomers who latched onto that NF image. more interesting is the skins origins. pre dated punk by a few years, was anti conservative and anti hippy. How early? 68 I reckon. I remeber seeing them as a nipper ( I would have been 12 in 68) and thinking fucking hell.... I remember our Headmaster banning pupils getting their hair cropped c.68/69. Faintly remember Dimitri's and other hairdressers hated the style too
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Post by dunraven on Nov 21, 2019 19:40:30 GMT
Great read this thread and got me thinking all the way back to school days, where the inner rivalry existed even then.
Growing up in Shepherds Bush but going to school in Brentford I should really have a ‘cross-over’ of QPR mates from the NortholtGreenford end to Bush/White City but I don’t.
QPR was one of the more heavily supported clubs at my school but with a distinct two groups - those of us from Bush, White City, Acton, Hammersmith, Grove, even Fulham and Harlesden direction. And those from Northolt, Greenford, Hanwell, Hayes etc.
Even at games we’d only acknowledge each other but not really pal up, walk near each other but not together in scary alleyways, hahaha. Fucking odd innit. Same team, same school but some how the part of London or estate we were from meant that little bit more? I don’t know but it was definitely real and there.
Maybe had something to do with inner city v the sticks, even subconsciously but I don’t know. No doubt it was already there before my time. I’m early 40S btw
Ps: Depends which part of Ealing 😋
PPS: Once of age the LadbrokeGrove boys would peel off with ‘their own’ who as I recall were maybe the cliquiest of all
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Post by West Acton on Mar 2, 2024 20:57:09 GMT
Been going off all over the EFL today 😳
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