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Post by hubble on Apr 14, 2023 17:11:27 GMT
Even in the 90s other teams fans were still taking over parts of LR. I remember an FA cup game, maybe 98 (Bradley Allen missed a pen) when we were surrounded by scum in R or S block (can't remember which). The funny thing was, they didn't know how to deal with my constant calling them out. I remember very louldy listing all the cants who were scum fans, like John Major and David Mellors. Maybe I was lucky they won!
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Post by hal9thou on Apr 14, 2023 18:58:33 GMT
Was there away ends back in day? yeah but you know how it goes.. where there's a will there's a way. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on Apr 14, 2023 19:11:03 GMT
Numbers are not all that, a solid few will shift bigger numbers. This is due to fact that the bigger mob will have a lot of toy hoolies who look the part but stay at back bouncing and shouting. The solid mob will just get straight about their work and deff have the numbers on a back foot.
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Post by alanwycombe on Apr 14, 2023 19:26:43 GMT
I.was in Elerslie Rd stand when some fan got thrown from the old tea bar in the top right corner of the Loft down into Elerslie seats when we played WHU in a night game. I only remember resistance to Arsenal fans taking over Loft end, you mean the old balcony right in the corner? often used to go up there, some memorable characters..... I'm pretty sure I remember CFC in the Loft. Bruv certainly did  I stood above radio box ‘69-82 then I got a season in Ellerslie. Got married during THAT season and my wedding band came off celebrating a goal. Guy about 6 feet away saw it on the floor! Stood above the Loft stairs before 69 but my dad got sick of having to move us every game when away support turned up. |
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Post by Corbray on Apr 14, 2023 19:28:40 GMT
my dad has a funny hooligan story from when he was about 13/14.
he's a fulham fan and back then they were pretty shit but tickets were cheap so he'd go to as many games as he could with his mates.
his parents were going away on holiday for a week so my dad was going to be left home alone. he had older brothers but they'd all moved out so his parents left my dad some money to get by along with food in the house, his brothers would check in though. rather than be a responsible good boy he instead used the money to get a nice new pocketless tracksuit and a haircut.
so saturday comes and my dad and his mates get their train tickets and head to the ground. my dad was wearing his new tracksuit so he gave his money and train ticket to one of his mates to look after.
fulham ended up winning against grimsby, everyones happy and after clapping the players they begin their walk back to the station and had to take a walk through a park.
they're loving life and singing fulham chants when all of a sudden a few older grimsby fans accost them and begin threatening them. one of my dads mates shouted "knife!" so they all scatter in opposite directions.
so now my dad is in a pickle, he's in the middle of london with no money or his train ticket back home. after trying and failing to persuade one of the TFL workers to let him through he had no choice but to use a phone and call the only number he could remember - one of his parents friends.
the friend drove up to london to pick him up and my dad knew he was in massive shit when his parents got back.
sure enough, he was.
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Post by acricketer on Apr 14, 2023 22:56:47 GMT
A funny hooligan story? How can I hurt people just enough to not get done for murder?
You fucking scum of the earth. Bullys, inadequates, psychopaths, everything that is wrong with humanity. I spit on you and all yours. Cunts.
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Post by West Acton on Apr 15, 2023 6:23:47 GMT
Numbers are not all that, a solid few will shift bigger numbers. This is due to fact that the bigger mob will have a lot of toy hoolies who look the part but stay at back bouncing and shouting. The solid mob will just get straight about their work and deff have the numbers on a back foot. strong front line that don’t move |
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Post by Stanley75 on May 2, 2023 10:29:36 GMT
A funny hooligan story? How can I hurt people just enough to not get done for murder? You fucking scum of the earth. Bullys, inadequates, psychopaths, everything that is wrong with humanity. I spit on you and all yours. Cunts. I would agree that deliberately getting involved in physical altercations is a really dumb move, especially if you're not trained in some form of martial art e.g. Brazilian jiu jitsu. Otherwise you're liable to get yourself seriously hurt or possibly even killed. If you do find yourself unwittingly involved, the far more intelligent thing to do in the first instance is to attempt to diffuse the situation and talk your way out (always keeping as much distance as possible between you and them whilst doing so), or if that's not possible, run. Fighting would always be a final resort. And no, that is not cowardly - on the contrary, it's being smart. Speak with any black belt martial artist and they'll always tell you this. |
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Post by Corbray on May 2, 2023 10:58:32 GMT
A funny hooligan story? How can I hurt people just enough to not get done for murder? You fucking scum of the earth. Bullys, inadequates, psychopaths, everything that is wrong with humanity. I spit on you and all yours. Cunts. I would agree that deliberately getting involved in physical altercations is a really dumb move, especially if you're not trained in some form of martial art e.g. Brazilian jiu jitsu. Otherwise you're liable to get yourself seriously hurt or possibly even killed. If you do find yourself unwittingly involved, the far more intelligent thing to do in the first instance is to attempt to diffuse the situation and talk your way out (always keeping as much distance as possible between you and them whilst doing so), or if that's not possible, run. Fighting would always be a final resort. And no, that is not cowardly - on the contrary, it's being smart. Soeak with any black belt martial artist and they'll always tell you this. but fighting is the closest i can get to a man now that i'm married to a woman |
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Post by 2Loftus on May 2, 2023 13:20:04 GMT
I would agree that deliberately getting involved in physical altercations is a really dumb move, especially if you're not trained in some form of martial art e.g. Brazilian jiu jitsu. Otherwise you're liable to get yourself seriously hurt or possibly even killed. If you do find yourself unwittingly involved, the far more intelligent thing to do in the first instance is to attempt to diffuse the situation and talk your way out (always keeping as much distance as possible between you and them whilst doing so), or if that's not possible, run. Fighting would always be a final resort. And no, that is not cowardly - on the contrary, it's being smart. Soeak with any black belt martial artist and they'll always tell you this. but fighting is the closest i can get to a man now that i'm married to a woman I feel a group hug is called for... |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 2, 2023 14:38:13 GMT
Plenty have done it, from all social backgrounds and unless u have partaken in said activity u don’t really understand it. Is it wrong yes, but so much in life is.
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Post by The General on May 2, 2023 15:38:57 GMT
The fighting at the 82 Cup Final was mental
I went for a beer at half time and there
Was running battles in the concourse
Spurs were there in force that night
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Post by 2Loftus on May 3, 2023 15:09:51 GMT
Have to say, the Cardiff Ultras can be pretty brutal...
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Post by croydoncaptainjack on May 3, 2023 15:24:59 GMT
The fighting at the 82 Cup Final was mental I went for a beer at half time and there Was running battles in the concourse Spurs were there in force that night The replay was manic. Biggest mob of Rangers I have ever seen that night outside afterwards. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 3, 2023 15:41:01 GMT
The mob at st panc that day, no one would of shifted
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Post by The General on May 3, 2023 18:20:39 GMT
The fighting at the 82 Cup Final was mental I went for a beer at half time and there Was running battles in the concourse Spurs were there in force that night The replay was manic. Biggest mob of Rangers I have ever seen that night outside afterwards. Yes meant the replay in the evening on a wednesday Full on carnage mate |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 3, 2023 18:32:50 GMT
If back in the day rangers had put aside the postcode infighting bollox, we would of had a very tidy tight mob. Would of been very good at home and decent at a lot away. Always too bitty, too many doing their own thing. When we did all click it bloody clicked. But I’m old and can’t be arsed now, leave it to the youth. Do find it sad when blokes my age and older still give it large. There should be a age limit😀
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Post by Stanley75 on May 4, 2023 8:40:28 GMT
A funny hooligan story? How can I hurt people just enough to not get done for murder? You fucking scum of the earth. Bullys, inadequates, psychopaths, everything that is wrong with humanity. I spit on you and all yours. Cunts. I would agree that deliberately getting involved in physical altercations is a really dumb move, especially if you're not trained in some form of martial art e.g. Brazilian jiu jitsu. Otherwise you're liable to get yourself seriously hurt or possibly even killed. If you do find yourself unwittingly involved, the far more intelligent thing to do in the first instance is to attempt to diffuse the situation and talk your way out (always keeping as much distance as possible between you and them whilst doing so), or if that's not possible, run. Fighting would always be a final resort. And no, that is not cowardly - on the contrary, it's being smart. Speak with any black belt martial artist and they'll always tell you this. Plenty have done it, from all social backgrounds and unless u have partaken in said activity u don’t really understand it. Is it wrong yes, but so much in life is. Oh I understand it all right. I've been involved in plenty of violence up close and personal to know that. Don't misunderstand my post either - I'm not making a moral judgement. |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 4, 2023 9:39:41 GMT
The way I can describe it personally for me, it wasn’t about the violence, that of course came into it, it was the rush b4 not knowing what or if anything would happen. Then if did adrenaline’s pumping, and after u think fucking hell. I’ve always sought a rush. Bungee, heights, tried drugs , but never as big a rush. Even 3 in a bed wasn’t anything compared.
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Post by Vespa on May 4, 2023 15:44:50 GMT
For me it was all about mates ,clothes and laughs . I wouldn`t be interested now ,far far too much to lose , plus i`d rather have a chat with likeminded fans of my age group ,couple of pints , everyone goes home ....
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Post by 72bus on May 4, 2023 16:16:18 GMT
Some people have nicked a living out of it , mariner , hickey, Cass none of them can have a straighter.
Anyone that gets involved today is a fool , cameras everywhere.
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Post by Vespa on May 4, 2023 16:48:44 GMT
Some people have nicked a living out of it , mariner , hickey, Cass none of them can have a straighter. Anyone that gets involved today is a fool , cameras everywhere. For loads of us it was never who could have a straightner ,or even who could have a row at all . It was the culture that went with it , the fear ,the buzz ,mates etc |
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 4, 2023 17:34:14 GMT
And the being a guest for other firms,use to love the underground on a Saturday,u can run into anyone then another mob and another.
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Post by 72bus on May 6, 2023 17:05:04 GMT
Some people have nicked a living out of it , mariner , hickey, Cass none of them can have a straighter. Anyone that gets involved today is a fool , cameras everywhere. For loads of us it was never who could have a straightner ,or even who could have a row at all . It was the culture that went with it , the fear ,the buzz ,mates etc I get that vesps , but some right frauds have written books and made a living out of tall stories |
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Post by hal9thou on May 6, 2023 19:23:41 GMT
Reckon anyone with a pulse who attended certain fixtures in the 70s / 80s felt the old adrenalin kick in from time. Minimally related to what was happening on the park.
A lot of people who weren't involved don't really get that culture. I was only on the periphery a few times (inc. that replay) but I understood why people got involved, even if I was about as threatening as a cheese roll.
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Post by Stanley75 on May 7, 2023 6:51:57 GMT
Straighteners aren't really a resolution, are they? It's never ending as there will always be tit-for-tat, someone feeling hard done by and wanting to exact revenge?
As Martin Luther King said: "Violence begets violence; hate begets hate; and toughness begets a greater toughness"
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Post by gtleighsr3 on May 7, 2023 7:39:22 GMT
People were barbaric in our past. We not long in terms of things evolved to far from apes. You only have to look at wars and the things people do to each other to see what is in us all. Plenty control themselves but if they was in another situation would they change. Humans kill for killing sake, and are violent. Most animals kill out of a need or defence.
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Post by Stanley75 on May 7, 2023 8:25:58 GMT
Yes, I get all that. And I get that it's a buzz, adrenaline rush, youthful testosterone-fuelled activity etc etc..
But at the end of the day it's still a pretty dumb-ass move to get involved with it.
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Post by West Acton on May 7, 2023 10:36:20 GMT
Drugs booze and cigarettes stupid get involved in But millions of people do knowing the risks. Everyone gets there kick in different ways
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Post by Stanley75 on May 11, 2023 11:07:09 GMT
Drugs booze and cigarettes stupid get involved in But millions of people do knowing the risks. Everyone gets there kick in different ways Not sure what you mean here. Are you saying most people who smoke, drink and do drugs are aware it's stupid but do it to feed their addictions, in full knowledge that it's irrational? If so, I don't think that analogy with football hooliganism stacks up, because in the latter case it seems they do not perceive the behaviour as irrational whatsoever. |
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